Ed Murphy | 1 Aug 2010 14:41
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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6763-6765

Yally wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 13:51, Sean Hunt <rideau3 <at> gmail.com
> <mailto:rideau3 <at> gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     in case of a tie then the first of those players alphabetically
> 
> 
> Oh, I see how it is.

You could always change your nickname to Adams...

Ed Murphy | 2 Aug 2010 14:31
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DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivity

Wooble wrote:

> Have the quorum numbers been considering Yally active all this time?

Sgeo, but yes.  I never caught it before because Sgeo always objected
before (so there was nothing for me to record), and only caught it this
time because the draft CotC report disagreed (at which point I checked
the Assessor DB table used to calculate quorum for past dates).

Geoffrey Spear | 2 Aug 2010 15:20
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DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ed Murphy <emurphy42 <at> socal.rr.com> wrote:
> *6759  OP1  1.0  coppro      Ill-conceived

Rule 1698 may make this change not occur; we now have all decisions
Ordinary by default, with no defined voting limits on ordinary
decisions and no way to make decisions democratic.

Sean Hunt | 2 Aug 2010 15:47
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DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762

On 08/02/2010 07:22 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ed Murphy<emurphy42 <at> socal.rr.com>  wrote:
>> *6760  OP1  1.0  coppro      Push From the Inside
>> *6761  OP1  2.0  coppro      I Postulate an Assumption
>> *6762  OP0  1.0  Yally       Clean Up Space
>
> Also, to prevent self-ratification, CoE: the above proposals may not
> have passed if no one had a voting limit on them after 6759 passed.

Voting limit is fixed at the end of the voting period and doesn't change 
after that (R2156), so these proposals will have been unaffected.

-coppro

Sean Hunt | 2 Aug 2010 15:50
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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762

On 08/02/2010 07:20 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ed Murphy<emurphy42 <at> socal.rr.com>  wrote:
>> *6759  OP1  1.0  coppro      Ill-conceived
>
> Rule 1698 may make this change not occur; we now have all decisions
> Ordinary by default, with no defined voting limits on ordinary
> decisions and no way to make decisions democratic.

Unless I'm very very mistaken, ordinary decisions have a base voting 
limit of 3 as modified by Rests and the Chief Whip. Also, the Majority 
Leader can make decisions democratic and Support Democracy is still a rule.

-coppro

Kerim Aydin | 2 Aug 2010 18:08

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762


On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ed Murphy <emurphy42 <at> socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > *6759  OP1  1.0  coppro      Ill-conceived
> 
> Rule 1698 may make this change not occur; we now have all decisions
> Ordinary by default, with no defined voting limits on ordinary
> decisions and no way to make decisions democratic.

I. Told. Everyone. This. Doesn't. Anyone. Pay. Attention.  Cassandra.

Kerim Aydin | 2 Aug 2010 18:13

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762


On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ed Murphy <emurphy42 <at> socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > > *6759  OP1  1.0  coppro      Ill-conceived
> > 
> > Rule 1698 may make this change not occur; we now have all decisions
> > Ordinary by default, with no defined voting limits on ordinary
> > decisions and no way to make decisions democratic.
> 
> I. Told. Everyone. This. Doesn't. Anyone. Pay. Attention.  Cassandra.

Actually, I take this back.  What I told everyone was that the proposal
in question is AI-1 and every rule in question was power-2.  So the
proposal causes no changes whatsoever to occur, but not for the reason 
that Wooble cites.  -G.

Geoffrey Spear | 2 Aug 2010 19:05
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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Kerim Aydin <kerim <at> u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Actually, I take this back.  What I told everyone was that the proposal
> in question is AI-1 and every rule in question was power-2.  So the
> proposal causes no changes whatsoever to occur, but not for the reason
> that Wooble cites.  -G.

The reason I cited was probably wrong; I missed that it leaves us with
ordinary decisions, just rather democratic ones.

Aaron Goldfein | 2 Aug 2010 20:52
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DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivity

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 06:37, Geoffrey Spear <geoffspear <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Ed Murphy <emurphy42 <at> socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Wooble wrote:
>>
>>> Having received no objections, I deregister Sgeo.
>>
>> CoE:  This is ineffective, as Sgeo became active on or about
>> 21 October 2009 and has remained active since then.
>
> Admitted; apparently Yally missed this and the Registrar's report has
> been wrong for over 9 months.
>
> I also CoE the most recent Registrar's report, as it fails to list
> Sgeo as a player.
>
> Have the quorum numbers been considering Yally active all this time?

Or, since everyone was under the impression (including Sgeo) that Sgeo
was inactive, you could just leave him off the list of players and let
it self-ratify.

Geoffrey Spear | 2 Aug 2010 21:11
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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivity

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Aaron Goldfein <aarongoldfein <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Or, since everyone was under the impression (including Sgeo) that Sgeo
> was inactive, you could just leave him off the list of players and let
> it self-ratify.

Considering it was pointed out to me that he was not, in fact,
deregistered, that would be ILLEGAL. If I were asked to judge such a
case involving a deregistration I'd give the maximum penalty and
propose bringing back EXILE.


Gmane