Luis Ressel | 14 Sep 23:44 2014

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7690-7692

On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:00:05 -0400
omd <c.ome.xk <at>> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn
> <jonatan.kilhamn <at>> wrote:
> > Or did that fail for some reason?
> No, I just missed it.  Sorry.  Corrected results in a bit (spoiler:
> I'm no longer PM)

Sorry, nothing personal. I just felt the offices should be either
completely compatible or completely incompatible. The previous rule text
seemed to me like an half-hearted attempt to make them incompatible.


Luis Ressel <aranea <at>>
GPG fpr: F08D 2AF6 655E 25DE 52BC  E53D 08F5 7F90 3029 B5BD
omd | 14 Sep 07:23 2014

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7691-7692

On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Sprocklem <sprocklem <at>> wrote:
> I change my votes on proposals 7691 and 7592 to AGAINST

Assessor's note: the latter is invalid.

Sprocklem | 14 Sep 05:08 2014

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7693 ("The proposal falls and fills the gaping hole")

On 2014-09-11 15:49, Luis Ressel wrote:
> Num    Author(s)               AI   Title
> 7693   aranea, Warrigal        1.1  Revised Province of Agora



Tanner Swett | 12 Sep 16:51 2014

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7693 ("The proposal falls and fills the gaping hole")

On Sep 11, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Luis Ressel wrote:
>    The Dungeon Master CAN by Announcement cause this rule to add or
>    remove entities to/from the PoA or set properties of entities
>    pertaining to the PoA, unless rules to the contrary exist.

This looks dangerous. What if the Dungeon Master said the following:

I cause the rule "The Dungeon Master" to add itself to the Province of Agora. I cause the rule "The Dungeon
Master" to set its own "text" property to that property's current value, with the following paragraph
appended: "The Dungeon Master CAN by announcement cause this rule to effect any effect which it CAN
effect." I cause the rule "The Dungeon Master" to deregister all players.

Personally, I don't really see the benefit in adding the additional wording.

(I apologize for the phrase "effect any effect which it CAN effect".)

—the Warrigal
Kerim Aydin | 8 Sep 18:43 2014

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3427 assigned to Murphy

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014, Sprocklem wrote:
> CFJ 3427
>     is hereby assigned to Murphy
>     ais523
>     If G. publishes a formal apology that does not contain the words I
>     attempted to prescribe above, this will suffice to let em cast votes
>     other than PRESENT within the next 30 days.

this is one that might be legitimately TRUE while at the same time being 
provably FALSE.  love it.  -G.

Luis Ressel | 3 Sep 14:04 2014

DIS: Re: BUS: A pact

On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 00:22:15 -0400
Sean Hunt <scshunt <at>> wrote:

> I will commit to holding exactly one office, of Agora's choice, and to
> completing its duties on time, provided that all other offices are
> held and the duties completed on time.

What about scorekeeping?



Sprocklem | 3 Sep 05:15 2014

DIS: Arbitor stuff

I just wanted to deal with some stuff before I take on the position of

The first order of business is judges. To start I assume the people who
were willing to judge last time, are still willing to judge. I have
listed these people below, but if you don't/do want to judge and
are/aren't on the list, just say so. These people are:

On the subject of CFJs AFAICT there appears to be 1 that needs to be
reassigned, CFJ 3425. Whoever that case is assigned to may want to read
G.'s proto-judgement and the discussed past precedent. In addition I see
three unassigned CFJs found in the following messages:

Is this correct? Am I missing anything?



Luis Ressel | 3 Sep 01:04 2014

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal 7692: Vote & Fix

Oh, and I've found another mistake:

At first, all players request Basic Discount, A Personalised Shopping
Experience, and Half-Hearted Attempt At A Win. These have redeem costs
of -1, 0 and 2, respectively. That means only total redeem costs of -1,
0, 1 or 2 are possible. And that in turn means "A Personalized Shopping
Experience", the only way for players to request additional Rewards,
can only be used to request Rewards with request cost < 1. Only "Basic
Discount" qualifies for that, and it's already requested. Conclusion:
There's no way to request additional Rewards and therefore no way to
use all those fancy effects.

To fix this, I'd suggest changing the "less than" in the effect
descriptions of "A Personalized Shopping Experience" and "An Instantly
Gratifying Shopping Experience" to "less than or equal to".

What do you think, ais253? (And of course, also the rest of you?)



Luis Ressel | 2 Sep 23:28 2014

DIS: Re: BUS: Election for the Registrar

On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:38:27 +0100
Luis Ressel <aranea <at>> wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:34:51 +0100
> Luis Ressel <aranea <at>> wrote:
> > Whoops, hit Enter too early.

Whoops again.

> If wobble votes for a player in this decision, I'll endorse his vote.
> Otherwise, I'll vote for myself.

Of course I was referring to woggle. So, given the current election
state, I'd vote for him to remain Registrar.



Kerim Aydin | 2 Sep 18:56 2014

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Herald] The Scroll of Agora

On Sun, 31 Aug 2014, woggle wrote:
>                                 FUGITIVES OF THE OLD LAW
>              (A Fugitive is someone who last left Agora before completing eir
>               penal sentence - unofficial designation covers a range of penal
>               codes over time).
>                    Elde, Time Agent, Antimatter, Proglet, Macross, root, Vlad,
>                    Morendil, Beefurabi, elJefe, Ziggy, Evantine, pTang, Blaise,
>                    Syllepsis, neil, Blob, Magu, Peekee, Cainech, t, Pakaran,
>                    0x44, Elysion, Quazie

COE:  I left Agora a few weeks ago without completing my penal sentence.  -G.

Kerim Aydin | 2 Sep 18:55 2014

DIS: Re: BUS: Election for the Registrar

On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Luis Ressel wrote:
> If wobble

Now don't let's start that again!

[We have woggle (currently playing, whom you're talking about) and 
Wooble (lurking and/or gone).  It was an in-joke briefly to use 
"wobble" for one of them to cause confusion].