Ørjan Johansen | 29 May 00:32 2015
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DIS: Re: BUS: 'Cause I deserve it

On Thu, 28 May 2015, Luis Ressel wrote:

> ----------
> The Herald is authorized to award aranea the Patent Title of Champion.
>
> ----------

Silly idea: That the Herald instead use Rule 649 to award aranea the 
Patent Title of Unchampioned.

Greetings,
Ørjan.
omd | 28 May 23:40 2015
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DIS: Re: BUS: 'Cause I deserve it

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Luis Ressel <aranea <at> aixah.de> wrote:
> I intend do ratify the following document Without Objection:
>
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> The Herald is authorized to award aranea the Patent Title of Champion.

I believe tradition is that this doesn't do anything, since the rules
have to define a way for the state to persist.

omd | 28 May 02:32 2015
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DIS: Re: BUS: I register.

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Gaelan Steele <gbs <at> canishe.com> wrote:
> I register.

Welcome!

I see on IRC you were looking for the rules.  If you haven't found
them yet, the most consistent location to search is the mailing list
archives, as the Rulekeepor is required to post the Short Logical
Ruleset once per week and the Full Logical Ruleset once per month.
However, Rulekeepors typically also maintain a web copy, and the
current one has it here:

http://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/rkeep/current_flr.txt

Tanner Swett | 25 May 21:26 2015
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DIS: A person of a non-biological nature?

I recently downloaded a program which trains neural nets to produce
random text similar to a given input file. See:
http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/

The author of the software says that one megabyte is a very small
amount of data to be training a neural net on. The Full Logical
Ruleset I downloaded is only 187 kilobytes. So, naturally, I told the
program to go through the FLR 1,600 times.

The resulting rule text is of such high quality that I think we should
amend the rules to get this program recognized as a person. An example
rule follows.

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Rule 2231/0 (Power=3)
The Agoran

      The Proposals which the public the judgement to change with any
and be subject,

      When Agoran Nomic the Rule 5451: If any be as for an action
      The be proposal Word in Agoran the regulater, lated the Rule 9.9

[CFJ 1355 (called 30 July 2008): An an office, and the and announcement the
rule is the decision if the moder proposal of e
               proposals.]

[CFJ 1780 (called 29 June 2007): An any the action FALSENT: Office
e the weeks.]
(Continue reading)

Kerim Aydin | 23 May 23:18 2015

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3445 assigned to omd


On Sat, 23 May 2015, omd wrote:
> That leaves the possibility that the violation occurs right at the
> start of the next week.  I can't think of any particular downside to
> this except that it could possibly create ambiguous ordering with
> other start-of-week effects, but precise ordering of violations is
> unlikely to be important anytime soon.  So I'm going to go for this
> option.

Did we have a long discussion once (i.e. with CFJs involved) about 
whether time intervals in general were [) or (] or () or []?  I
remember something like that.

Kerim Aydin | 23 May 23:12 2015

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Allow boycotting Ribbons


On Sat, 23 May 2015, omd wrote:
>       A person CAN remove any type of Ribbon from eir Ribbon Ownership
>       by announcement.

How long before we need a general asset/currency class again?

Kerim Aydin | 18 May 01:52 2015

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7747-49


On Sun, 17 May 2015, Luis Ressel wrote:
> You, on the other hand, only wrote "Proposal: [...]". I've accepted
> such submissions in the past, but I'm not sure if I actually have to
> (or even can). Furthermore, in your case, the "Proto:" in the subject
> line did add further ambiguousity.

Someone a while ago, on a CFJ, found that saying "Proposal: ..." is
clear enough to cause to submit.  However, it has tripped people up 
several times since then, so maybe evidence since then is that it 
*isn't* clear.  The "Proto" certainly aids the case.  -G.

Sean Hunt | 18 May 01:18 2015
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DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7747-49

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Luis Ressel <aranea <at> aixah.de> wrote:
> Oh, sorry, did you actually intend to submit your proposal? I probably
> misinterpreted the "Proto:" in your subject then. However, it's
> debatable whether your submission worked; players can submit proposals
> "by announcement", and R478 (Fora) reads:
>
>       Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed "by
>       announcement", a person performs that action by unambiguously
>       and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
>       it.
>
> You, on the other hand, only wrote "Proposal: [...]". I've accepted
> such submissions in the past, but I'm not sure if I actually have to
> (or even can). Furthermore, in your case, the "Proto:" in the subject
> line did add further ambiguousity.

I didn't intend to, but I'm pretty sure I did accidentally all the same.

-scshunt

Sean Hunt | 18 May 01:15 2015
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DIS: Fleshing out my previous proto

The Prime Minister appoints officers, and is responsible for ensuring
they remain filled and doing their duties. If an official duty remains
unfulfilled for more than a week, anyone can deputize but this doesn't
take the office away. Unless an officer is censured, they cannot be
replaced sooner than two weeks after appointment. The PM has access to
each officer's perk on a limited basis.

An officer can be censured by Agoran Consent. Censuring the PM results
in a General Election call. Censuring any other officer obligates the PM
to replace them (shuffles are A.O.K.). Censure is *not* evaluated on a
per-office basis.

The Speaker is the head of state and presides over the election for
Prime Minister, and can be nominated for such. The Speaker cannot be
removed from office except by deregistration or upon the (re)election of
a PM. This includes voluntarily. Upon the election of a PM, Speaker
becomes vacant; the PM must appoint a replacement Speaker.

The CotC assigns cases as he chooses. Possibly we should make it so that
the judgments can be binding in some regard? PM perk: Once a month,
handle a case themselves.

The Promotor distributes at least one half, rounded up, of all proposals
that were pending at the start of the week, and may pend any number of
proposals by announcement. PM perk: Once a week, distribute a proposal.

The IADoP sets salaries (currently just the number of pends an officer
gets each month). Total salary is limited, probably by number of
offices. Salaries can't change more than once a month. PM perk: Can
assign a bonus office's worth of salary.
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omd | 18 May 00:38 2015
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DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3448 assigned to G.

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Kerim Aydin <kerim <at> u.washington.edu> wrote:
> CALLER'S ARGUMENTS
>
> I believe R101 now takes precedence over 1023.

You missed my arguments :)

Sean Hunt | 18 May 00:35 2015
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DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3447 assigned to scshunt


On May 18, 2015 07:28, "Kerim Aydin" <kerim <at> u.washington.edu> wrote:
> == CFJ 3447 ==========================================================
>
>    Statement:  aranea won the game.
>    Caller:     aranea
>    Called on:  10 May 2015 11:56:31 GMT
>
> is hereby assigned to:
>    Judge:    scshunt
>
> CALLER'S ARGUMENTS
>
> Adoption of proposal 7740 on Wed 15/05/06.
>
> ======================================================================

Does anyone have any arguments as to why e didn't? If not, I will judge TRUE.

-scshunt


Gmane