Sprocklem | 6 Feb 22:46 2016
Picon

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

On 2016-02-04 21:06, Henri Bouchard wrote:
>      current value plus N. N cannot be less than the credit balance of
>      the transferer before the transfer occurs. A player can conduct a
Am I missing something, or should this be "N cannot be *more* than the
credit balance..."

--

-- 
Sprocklem

Henri Bouchard | 5 Feb 05:21 2016
Picon
Gravatar

DIS: Proposals

On Feb 4, 2016 10:25 PM, "Gaelan Steele" <gbs <at> canishe.com> wrote:
>
> First, a note: these proposals need to be reissued to require Credits v2 to be adopted instead. Also, is there anything preventing me from taking all of someone's credits for missing a minor deadline?
>

Ideally, the cfj should be in the form "[Player] violation of [Rule] warrants a Penalty Sum of X" rather than "[Player] violated [Rule]" so that the judgment is on the Penalty Sum rather than whether or not the crime was committed. So there are actually two judgments to be made: whether or not the crime was committed, and what the Penalty Sum should be. I'll fix this proposal and resubmit it. Thanks for pointing it out.

> > On Feb 3, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Henri Bouchard <henrib736 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Proposal: Civilian Prosecutors
> > Author: Henri
> > AI: 1
> >
> > If Proposal "Credits" is adopted, create the following Power-1 Rule,
> > named "Civil Cases":
> >
> >     A Civil Case is a type of Judicial Case. For a Judicial Case to
> >     be a Civil Case, the initiator must specify it as such. When
> >     initiating a Civil Case, the initiator must specify:
> >
> >     a) A player (the defendant), other than emself.
> >
> >     b) A violation of the ruleset committed by the defendant for
> >        which the defendant has not yet been punished.
> >
> >     c) A Penalty Sum.
> >
> >     If a Civil Case is judged TRUE, the Arbitor CAN and SHALL
> >     transfer a sum of credits equal to the Penalty Sum specified in
> >     the Civil Case from the defendant to the initiator within two
> >     days of the announcement of the decision. If a Civil Case is
> >     judged FALSE, the initiator shall transfer 1 credit to the
> >     defendant within 2 days of the announcement of the decision.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Gaelan Steele | 5 Feb 04:25 2016

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

First, a note: these proposals need to be reissued to require Credits v2 to be adopted instead. Also, is
there anything preventing me from taking all of someone's credits for missing a minor deadline?

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Henri Bouchard <henrib736 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Proposal: Civilian Prosecutors
> Author: Henri
> AI: 1
> 
> If Proposal "Credits" is adopted, create the following Power-1 Rule,
> named "Civil Cases":
> 
>     A Civil Case is a type of Judicial Case. For a Judicial Case to
>     be a Civil Case, the initiator must specify it as such. When
>     initiating a Civil Case, the initiator must specify:
> 
>     a) A player (the defendant), other than emself.
> 
>     b) A violation of the ruleset committed by the defendant for
>        which the defendant has not yet been punished.
> 
>     c) A Penalty Sum.
> 
>     If a Civil Case is judged TRUE, the Arbitor CAN and SHALL
>     transfer a sum of credits equal to the Penalty Sum specified in
>     the Civil Case from the defendant to the initiator within two
>     days of the announcement of the decision. If a Civil Case is
>     judged FALSE, the initiator shall transfer 1 credit to the
>     defendant within 2 days of the announcement of the decision.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nic Evans | 4 Feb 23:41 2016
Picon

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Henri Bouchard <henrib736 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
I submit the following proposals:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Proposal: Credits
Author: Henri
AI: 1

     A Credit Transfer of N credits occurs when a player switches eir
     Credit Balance to its current value minus N and switches another
     player's Credit Balance to its current value plus N. A player can
     conduct a credit transfer by announcement.

This seems easy to scam. 1) Register a new account, 2) transfer 1,000,000 to your other account 3) deregister the new account. I'd say don't let players transfer money if it'd result in them having negative credits.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Proposal: Salary
Author: Henri
AI: 1

     An officeholder may increase the Salary of eir office by
     announcement without objection from the Prime Minister. An
     officeholder can decrease the Salary of an office e holds by
     announcement.


Should we limit changing salaries to upon election (or another predictable timeframe)? It seems easy to raise your salary when the PM isn't paying attention.

Kerim Aydin | 4 Feb 23:27 2016

DIS: Re: BUS: check in with the front desk to hold your reservation


On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Nic Evans wrote:
> Checking in even though I'm not on that list. I'm pretty sure I registered 
> on the 1st of December and haven't been deregistered since then. If I'm
> not currently registered, I register.

Sorry; meant to mention that I grabbed the October (latest) registrar report 
and didn't look for membership changes since then.

Alex Smith | 2 Feb 22:09 2016
Picon
Picon

DIS: Re: BUS: Let's get moving

On Tue, 2016-02-02 at 09:29 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Proposal, AI-1, "Quick Changes":
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Create the following Rule, Change Requests, power 0.5:
> 
>       A Change Request (CR) is a document published with a clear 
>       statement that it is intended to be a Change Request.
> 
>       A player CAN cause a specified, published CR to take effect with 
>       Agoran Support; the full text of the request must be clearly 
>       included both in the announcement of intent and in the 
>       announcement causing it to take effect. 
> 
>       When a Change Request takes effect, its power is set to the
>       power of this Rule, and except as prohibited by other rules,
>       the changes specified CAN be applied, and are applied.    
>      
>       The Rulekeepor SHOULD assign ID numbers to Change Requests that
>       take effect.       
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Agoran Support" isn't defined (I think there might be a CFJ precedent
for what it means, but it isn't in the ruleset).

--

-- 
ais523

Gaelan Bright Steele | 2 Feb 16:45 2016

DIS: Re: BUS: check in with the front desk to hold your reservation

I object to the deregistration of Gaelan Steele.

P.S. I’ll try to get back into the game!
> On Feb 2, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Kerim Aydin <kerim <at> u.washington.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I intend to deregister the following players Without Objection,
> for not sending a message to a public forum since Dec 31 (R869).  
> I ask that people object on behalf of themselves only; I Pledge
> (as per R2450) that I will not act on this intent for at least
> 10 days and I will give another warning first:
> 
>  Player               Contact                             Registered
>  ------               -------                             ----------
>  ais523               callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk [1] 20 Mar 11
>  Gaelan Steele        gbs at canishe.com                  27 May 15
>  Henri                henrib736 at gmail.com               7 May 13
>  Ienpw III            james.m.beirne at gmail.com          8 Oct 14
>  Joe Piercey          joerpiercey at gmail.com            15 Oct 14
>  Murphy               emurphy42 at zoho.com               27 Oct 07
>  omd                  c.ome.xk at gmail.com [2]            3 Feb 11
>  Roujo                jonathan.rouillard at gmail.com     16 Dec 10
>  Sprocklem            sprocklem at gmail.com              19 Oct 13
>  scshunt              scshunt at csclub.uwaterloo.ca      23 Apr 15
>  stadjer              stadjernomic at gmail.com           23 Mar 15
>  Tekneek              tekgora at theglycerintekneek.com   12 Jun 15
>  Tiger                jonatan.kilhamn at gmail.com        17 Dec 13
>  Tristan Bredeweg     trstnbrdwg0 at gmail.com            28 Jul 15
>  Warrigal, the [3]    tannerswett at gmail.com            25 Apr 15
>  woggle               woggling at gmail.com               19 Jan 13
> 
> 
> 
> 

Luis Ressel | 1 Feb 20:44 2016
Picon

DIS: Re: BUS: Read the Ruleset Week

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:38:07 -0800 (PST)
Kerim Aydin <kerim <at> u.washington.edu> wrote:

> In preparation for Read the Ruleset Week, I posted the previous (Jan
> 21) version of the SLR and FLR with substantial changes.  
> 
> As no one has commented, I might suggest RtRW as a fine time to do so.
> 
> http://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/rkeep/current_flr.txt (FLR)
> http://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/rkeep/current_slr.txt (SLR)
> 
> 
> 
> 

Reading the ruleset sounds like a good idea :)
I'll also peform my outstanding duties later this week.

--

-- 
aranea

Benjamin Schultz | 30 Dec 17:08 2015
Picon

DIS: Happy New Year, Agora!

In accordance with a repealed Rule --

Happy New Year, Agora and all Agorans!

OscarMeyr
This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
www.avast.com
Alex Smith | 24 Dec 10:15 2015
Picon
Picon

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset

On Tue, 2015-12-22 at 13:17 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET

Assuming the organization gets fixed, you might want to take aranea's
bet about that :-)

Or maybe not, with the wording as it is at the moment it might well
backfire.

--

-- 
ais523

Kerim Aydin | 21 Dec 17:15 2015

DIS: Re: BUS: Joining Organizations


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
> 2. I accept aranea's Bet that I quote above, that no valid FLR will be 
> published between the time of eir Bet and Dec 24.  (I presume the year 
> 2015 is implied.)

This bet can be satisfied by anyone publishing a copy of an old ("valid") 
FLR, right?


Gmane