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Dale | 5 Mar 2007 21:19

World Crokinole Championship question

Hi all, 
I received my registration form for the tournament this summer, and I
noticed they had a question on the form that I thought would be
interesting to discuss here. 

They would like to know what to do when a button is knocked out of
play, but rebounds back onto the board and moves another button on the
board. 
I guess there is some dispute over whether to move any affected
buttons back to their original position or leave them where they were
moved to by to out-of-play button. 

My impression has always been that where ever things end up after the
buttons stop moving, is the way it stays (the one that left the board
originally goes to the ditch, all others stay as is). Too bad if you
get knocked off by an out-of-play button.

Your opinion?

Dale 

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Paul Sorley | 5 Mar 2007 21:55
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RE: World Crokinole Championship question

Hi Dale,  my thoughts would be that the button that was moved by the stray 
button should be
put back, as close to where it was,  to the agreement of both parties.
That's my two cents worth, all the best,  Paul

>From: "Dale" <crokinole <at> execulink.com>
>Reply-To: Crokinole <at> yahoogroups.com
>To: Crokinole <at> yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Crokinole] World Crokinole Championship question
>Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:19:40 -0000
>
>Hi all,
>I received my registration form for the tournament this summer, and I
>noticed they had a question on the form that I thought would be
>interesting to discuss here.
>
>They would like to know what to do when a button is knocked out of
>play, but rebounds back onto the board and moves another button on the
>board.
>I guess there is some dispute over whether to move any affected
>buttons back to their original position or leave them where they were
>moved to by to out-of-play button.
>
>My impression has always been that where ever things end up after the
>buttons stop moving, is the way it stays (the one that left the board
>originally goes to the ditch, all others stay as is). Too bad if you
>get knocked off by an out-of-play button.
>
>Your opinion?
>
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Richard Spoonts | 5 Mar 2007 23:08
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Re: World Crokinole Championship question

I favor Dale's approach to this situation, and I hope
that the WCC will also come to this same decision.  It
just seems too difficult (and unnecessary) to
reconstruct where disks were before the errant disk
went on its rampage.

Richard

--- Dale <crokinole <at> execulink.com> wrote:

> Hi all, 
> I received my registration form for the tournament
> this summer, and I
> noticed they had a question on the form that I
> thought would be
> interesting to discuss here. 
> 
> They would like to know what to do when a button is
> knocked out of
> play, but rebounds back onto the board and moves
> another button on the
> board. 
> I guess there is some dispute over whether to move
> any affected
> buttons back to their original position or leave
> them where they were
> moved to by to out-of-play button. 
> 
> My impression has always been that where ever things
> end up after the
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Karl Sundbo | 6 Mar 2007 03:37
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Re: World Crokinole Championship question

Hi Paul;
  I take the opposite approach to this question. In my view, as soon as a button crosses the bottom line, at that
point it becomes a dead button. According to your rules, an out of play button could potentially bounce
back and hit another button into the 20 hole. This would hardly be fair, as would an out of play button
knocking out a disk into the ditch. I mean, we can take this rule to the Nth degree - what if a button goes off
the board, hits your opponent and bounces back on the board, knocking off your opponents button? I think
the WCC is correct and I hope they don't change it.

  Karl Sundbo

Dale <crokinole <at> execulink.com> wrote:
          Hi all, 
I received my registration form for the tournament this summer, and I
noticed they had a question on the form that I thought would be
interesting to discuss here. 

They would like to know what to do when a button is knocked out of
play, but rebounds back onto the board and moves another button on the
board. 
I guess there is some dispute over whether to move any affected
buttons back to their original position or leave them where they were
moved to by to out-of-play button. 

My impression has always been that where ever things end up after the
buttons stop moving, is the way it stays (the one that left the board
originally goes to the ditch, all others stay as is). Too bad if you
get knocked off by an out-of-play button.

Your opinion?
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g_runyon | 7 Mar 2007 23:12
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Hi all,

I like the idea that the puck is dead and everything is returned to 
the original spot.  I believe the rule's purpose stops uncontrolled 
shots and requires players to use skill not a "blast and see what 
happens approach".  Of course, at the WCC especially in doubles there 
is not much time to complete games. So I see the point of letting 
things lie where they are. I have only had this occur a couple of 
times at the WCC and it is relatively quick to get the board 
correct.  

I think they should use boards with deeper ditches, therefore 
reducing the chances of this scenario.

--- In Crokinole <at> yahoogroups.com, Karl Sundbo <ksundbo <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul;
>   I take the opposite approach to this question. In my view, as 
soon as a button crosses the bottom line, at that point it becomes a 
dead button. According to your rules, an out of play button could 
potentially bounce back and hit another button into the 20 hole. This 
would hardly be fair, as would an out of play button knocking out a 
disk into the ditch. I mean, we can take this rule to the Nth degree -
 what if a button goes off the board, hits your opponent and bounces 
back on the board, knocking off your opponents button? I think the 
WCC is correct and I hope they don't change it.
>    
>   Karl Sundbo
> 
> Dale <crokinole <at> ...> wrote:
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Sarah Samuelson | 7 Mar 2007 23:26
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Re: World Crokinole Championship question

On 3/5/07, Dale <crokinole <at> execulink.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>  I received my registration form for the tournament this summer, and I
>  noticed they had a question on the form that I thought would be
>  interesting to discuss here.
>
>  They would like to know what to do when a button is knocked out of
>  play, but rebounds back onto the board and moves another button on the
>  board.

"Button"?!

Wow, and to think I've teased a non-gaming friend for calling her
pieces, "buttons", when they were clearly discs. Hmmmmm....

>  I guess there is some dispute over whether to move any affected
>  buttons back to their original position or leave them where they were
>  moved to by to out-of-play button.
>
>  My impression has always been that where ever things end up after the
>  buttons stop moving, is the way it stays (the one that left the board
>  originally goes to the ditch, all others stay as is). Too bad if you
>  get knocked off by an out-of-play button.

That's how we have played as well, though there are certainly a number
of "regional variations" when it comes to Crokinole rules.

The only thing I've thought of that I haven't seen anyone mention is
that, aside from seeking to prevent less skilled players from blasting
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Dale | 8 Mar 2007 00:37

Re: World Crokinole Championship question


Yes, BUTTON. Perhaps its my Mennonite background, but thats what
anyone I know has always called them. Same as the "center" is a
doogie, not a pocket, or centre or whatever....but thats another topic
altogether. 

AS far as the out of bounds goes, I fine sometimes its hard to
remember who was where when things are really shook up by a rebound.
Thats why I say leave things alone. Also the time factor of trying to
figure it out in tournament play.

Dale

--- In Crokinole <at> yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Samuelson" <vollehutte <at> ...>
wrote:
>
> On 3/5/07, Dale <crokinole <at> ...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >  I received my registration form for the tournament this summer, and I
> >  noticed they had a question on the form that I thought would be
> >  interesting to discuss here.
> >
> >  They would like to know what to do when a button is knocked out of
> >  play, but rebounds back onto the board and moves another button
on the
> >  board.
> 
> "Button"?!
>
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