Hi,

I posted this question on BoardGameGeek.com today and someone there
suggested I join this grouop and post the question here as more of you
might be able to help me.

Thanks,
Helen

Here's my question:

Octavian's posting about his new crokinole board for Christmas got me
thinking about a present for my mother for Christmas. She owns an
antique crokinole board that belonged to her great-grandmother. It is
a Ross board with a metal medal in the center that dates it to 1880. I
have not seen it for several years, but I do believe it has all the
pieces and the original rule book in an original box. There is even a
tally of a game between my great-grandmother and my great-uncle
written on the back of the rules.

I found partial pictures of one like it on this website:

http://www.tradgames.org.uk/games/Squails-Crokinole.htm

It is currently not in playable condition because the rubber bumpers
are all either hardened from age or completely disintegrated. I
believe all the screws that that held them are still there. Also the
finish on it has that crackled appearance so prized on antique
furniture, but perhaps not that great as a playing surface. Although,
when I flicked a couple of pieces across it when I saw the board last
time they moved pretty darned fast and straight.

I would love to refurbish this board as a present for my mom for
Christmas. I know the last time she played this game was with her
mother who died in the late 1940's and her brother who died this past
year.

I know I can't refinish it in time for Christmas and I am uncertain if
I even should. But can I get replacement rubber bumpers anywhere?

Does anyone have any ideas about the value of such a thing and if
refinishing it would change that. I assume replacing the bumpers would
do little to harm it.

I would love to give her a little box of bumpers for the board that
would bring this game and the fond memories she has of playing with it
back to her.

Any help or advice would really be appreciated.

Helen

•  2
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

Rubber tubing cut to the appropriate length works well for the bumpers.

I don't know nearly enough about furniture refinishing to render an opinion about the rest.

Goo Luck

Tony

Helen Holzgrafe <helen <at> holzgrafe.com> wrote:
Hi,

I posted this question on BoardGameGeek.com today and someone there
suggested I join this grouop and post the question here as more of you
might be able to help me.

Thanks,
Helen

Here's my question:

Octavian's posting about his new crokinole board for Christmas got me
thinking about a present for my mother for Christmas. She owns an
antique crokinole board that belonged to her great-grandmother. It is
a Ross board with a metal medal in the center that dates it to 1880. I
have not seen it for several years, but I do believe it has all the
pieces and the original rule book in an original box. There is even a
tally of a game between my great-grandmother and my great-uncle
written on the back of the rules.

I found partial pictures of one like it on this website:

http://www.tradgames.org.uk/games/Squails-Crokinole.htm

It is currently not in playable condition because the rubber bumpers
are all either hardened from age or completely disintegrated. I
believe all the screws that that held them are still there. Also the
finish on it has that crackled appearance so prized on antique
furniture, but perhaps not that great as a playing surface. Although,
when I flicked a couple of pieces across it when I saw the board last
time they moved pretty darned fast and straight.

I would love to refurbish this board as a present for my mom for
Christmas. I know the last time she played this game was with her
mother who died in the late 1940's and her brother who died this past
year.

I know I can't refinish it in time for Christmas and I am uncertain if
I even should. But can I get replacement rubber bumpers anywhere?

Does anyone have any ideas about the value of such a thing and if
refinishing it would change that. I assume replacing the bumpers would
do little to harm it.

I would love to give her a little box of bumpers for the board that
would bring this game and the fond memories she has of playing with it
back to her.

Any help or advice would really be appreciated.

Helen

---------------------------------
Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

•  2
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

I would most strongly urge you to leave the board alone. If you have
ever watched the television show Antiques Roadshow, you have probably
seen episodes where someone brings in a piece of antique furniture and
they are so proud of their refinishing job on it. The expert then
says, "Well, this is worth $10,000. If you had left the original
finish on it, it would be worth $50,000." People want antiques in
their original state untouched.

Refinishing of antiques should be left to those who specialize in that
venture. In the end, you'll end up paying that person more than it
would cost to buy another for playing and leaving the antique one for
display only. Consider instead building a nice display case for the
board that can show all of the pieces (rules, discs, etc.) and that
could keep it from further decay or damage.

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

>I would most strongly urge you to leave the board alone. If you have
>ever watched the television show Antiques Roadshow, you have probably
>seen episodes where someone brings in a piece of antique furniture and
>they are so proud of their refinishing job on it. The expert then
>says, "Well, this is worth $10,000. If you had left the original
>finish on it, it would be worth $50,000." People want antiques in
>their original state untouched.
>
>Refinishing of antiques should be left to those who specialize in that
>venture. In the end, you'll end up paying that person more than it
>would cost to buy another for playing and leaving the antique one for
>display only. Consider instead building a nice display case for the
>board that can show all of the pieces (rules, discs, etc.) and that
>could keep it from further decay or damage.

Yeah! I kind of thought that. Our family does have a number of
valuable antiques and I wouldn't consider touching those. I am an
Antiques Roadshow addict, I admit. However, I don't have the faintest
idea if this board is valuable. If it's worth $100 I'd probably go
ahead and put new bumpers on it and use it. If its worth more like
$1000 then I'd likely preserve it.

At this point I think attempting to refinish it would be stupid no
matter what it was worth. Right now it pretty much just has old
screws sticking out of the board that used to have rubber bumpers on
them (a few with the rubber still attached). Even if I preserved it,
I think I might put new bumpers on it to make it look better.

Do you know how much a board like this is worth or know who would
know? I wrote several years ago to "Mr. Crokinole" at his website
since he has a collection and seems to have a board just like mine.
He did reply, but did not answer that question.

I remember when I touched it last a few years ago when she moved
again that the pieces move pretty darn straight and fast across even
that old surface. It's very evenly covered with tiny crackles. It is
not warped, bent, or damaged anywhere on its surface.

Several people who have replied to me suggested that you are the one
who would know the most about finishing boards and how they should
look and feel. I guess you make them?

This, for my mom, is a very sentimental thing she has kept (even in
it's unusable condition) for 60 years. I don't think she's at all
interested in getting a new board just to play this game. She would
really only be interested in this board she's moved everywhere she's
lived since high school.

Some others have suggested I get the "wax" powder from Germany to
make the surface fast. I don't know what that is made of. Do you
think it would damage the surface to use it? I'm thinking the pieces
move fast enough as it is and won't risk it. We're clearly not
championship players after all.

-Helen
--
-- Helen Holzgrafe
helen <at> holzgrafe.com

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

Congratulations for owning such an antique board.
Before you do anything you should measure the board to
see if it a pro size (26 inches in diameter) If it is
less, it would be considered semi-pro or intermediate.

It may be worth money for its antique value.
I suggest you buy a new pro board as I have done even
though I possess the family heirloom board (24")
You can get a real could deal from Miracle Ventures,
as they have a going out of business sale currently.
Check it out before altering your original board as
you should be a Master wood craftsman.
Good luck and keep us posted.
--- Tony Maniscalco <samaniscalco <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

> Rubber tubing cut to the appropriate length works
> well for the bumpers.
>
> I don't know nearly enough about furniture
> refinishing to render an opinion about the rest.
>
> Goo Luck
>
> Tony
>
> Helen Holzgrafe <helen <at> holzgrafe.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I posted this question on BoardGameGeek.com today
> and someone there
> suggested I join this grouop and post the question
> here as more of you
> might be able to help me.
>
> Thanks,
> Helen
>
> Here's my question:
>
> Octavian's posting about his new crokinole board for
> Christmas got me
> thinking about a present for my mother for
> Christmas. She owns an
> antique crokinole board that belonged to her
> great-grandmother. It is
> a Ross board with a metal medal in the center that
> dates it to 1880. I
> have not seen it for several years, but I do believe
> it has all the
> pieces and the original rule book in an original
> box. There is even a
> tally of a game between my great-grandmother and my
> great-uncle
> written on the back of the rules.
>
> I found partial pictures of one like it on this
> website:
>
>
http://www.tradgames.org.uk/games/Squails-Crokinole.htm
>
> It is currently not in playable condition because
> the rubber bumpers
> are all either hardened from age or completely
> disintegrated. I
> believe all the screws that that held them are still
> there. Also the
> finish on it has that crackled appearance so prized
> on antique
> furniture, but perhaps not that great as a playing
> surface. Although,
> when I flicked a couple of pieces across it when I
> saw the board last
> time they moved pretty darned fast and straight.
>
> I would love to refurbish this board as a present
> for my mom for
> Christmas. I know the last time she played this game
> was with her
> mother who died in the late 1940's and her brother
> who died this past
> year.
>
> I know I can't refinish it in time for Christmas and
> I am uncertain if
> I even should. But can I get replacement rubber
> bumpers anywhere?
>
> Does anyone have any ideas about the value of such a
> thing and if
> refinishing it would change that. I assume replacing
> the bumpers would
> do little to harm it.
>
> I would love to give her a little box of bumpers for
> the board that
> would bring this game and the fond memories she has
> of playing with it
> back to her.
>
> Any help or advice would really be appreciated.
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low
> PC-to-Phone call rates.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

Larry Riley

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

I would contact Wayne Kelly of Mr. Crokinole. He is a historian and
author, as well as seller of crokinole boards and accessories. He
would likely be able to tell you a value of this board and give advise
on preserving that value.
The following link shows some of the antique boards that he has for
sale - the most expensive being a T. Eaton's Company board from 1893
for $ 535.00 US.
http://www.crokinole.com/clearance.asp?Page=3

By the way, may I ask where you are located?

Dale

--- In Crokinole <at> yahoogroups.com, Tony Maniscalco <samaniscalco <at> ...>
wrote:
>
> Rubber tubing cut to the appropriate length works well for the
bumpers.
>
> I don't know nearly enough about furniture refinishing to render
an opinion about the rest.
>
> Goo Luck
>
> Tony
>
> Helen Holzgrafe <helen <at> ...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I posted this question on BoardGameGeek.com today and someone there
> suggested I join this grouop and post the question here as more of you
> might be able to help me.
>
> Thanks,
> Helen
>
> Here's my question:
>
> Octavian's posting about his new crokinole board for Christmas got me
> thinking about a present for my mother for Christmas. She owns an
> antique crokinole board that belonged to her great-grandmother. It is
> a Ross board with a metal medal in the center that dates it to 1880. I
> have not seen it for several years, but I do believe it has all the
> pieces and the original rule book in an original box. There is even a
> tally of a game between my great-grandmother and my great-uncle
> written on the back of the rules.
>
> I found partial pictures of one like it on this website:
>
> http://www.tradgames.org.uk/games/Squails-Crokinole.htm
>
> It is currently not in playable condition because the rubber bumpers
> are all either hardened from age or completely disintegrated. I
> believe all the screws that that held them are still there. Also the
> finish on it has that crackled appearance so prized on antique
> furniture, but perhaps not that great as a playing surface. Although,
> when I flicked a couple of pieces across it when I saw the board last
> time they moved pretty darned fast and straight.
>
> I would love to refurbish this board as a present for my mom for
> Christmas. I know the last time she played this game was with her
> mother who died in the late 1940's and her brother who died this past
> year.
>
> I know I can't refinish it in time for Christmas and I am uncertain if
> I even should. But can I get replacement rubber bumpers anywhere?
>
> Does anyone have any ideas about the value of such a thing and if
> refinishing it would change that. I assume replacing the bumpers would
> do little to harm it.
>
> I would love to give her a little box of bumpers for the board that
> would bring this game and the fond memories she has of playing with it
> back to her.
>
> Any help or advice would really be appreciated.
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

What's this about a pro board??? I just visited with Mr. Cronikle and nothing was mentioned about difference in sizes. Cal Graber
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Crokinole] To restore or not restore an antique crokinole board

Congratulations for owning such an antique board.
Before you do anything you should measure the board to
see if it a pro size (26 inches in diameter) If it is
less, it would be considered semi-pro or intermediate.

It may be worth money for its antique value.
I suggest you buy a new pro board as I have done even
though I possess the family heirloom board (24")
You can get a real could deal from Miracle Ventures,
as they have a going out of business sale currently.
Check it out before altering your original board as
you should be a Master wood craftsman.
Good luck and keep us posted.
--- Tony Maniscalco <samaniscalco <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

> Rubber tubing cut to the appropriate length works
> well for the bumpers.
>
> I don't know nearly enough about furniture
> refinishing to render an opinion about the rest.
>
> Goo Luck
>
> Tony
>
> Helen Holzgrafe <helen <at> holzgrafe.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I posted this question on BoardGameGeek.com today
> and someone there
> suggested I join this grouop and post the question
> here as more of you
> might be able to help me.
>
> Thanks,
> Helen
>
> Here's my question:
>
> Octavian's posting about his new crokinole board for
> Christmas got me
> thinking about a present for my mother for
> Christmas. She owns an
> antique crokinole board that belonged to her
> great-grandmother. It is
> a Ross board with a metal medal in the center that
> dates it to 1880. I
> have not seen it for several years, but I do believe
> it has all the
> pieces and the original rule book in an original
> box. There is even a
> tally of a game between my great-grandmother and my
> great-uncle
> written on the back of the rules.
>
> I found partial pictures of one like it on this
> website:
>
>
http://www.tradgames.org.uk/games/Squails-Crokinole.htm
>
> It is currently not in playable condition because
> the rubber bumpers
> are all either hardened from age or completely
> disintegrated. I
> believe all the screws that that held them are still
> there. Also the
> finish on it has that crackled appearance so prized
> on antique
> furniture, but perhaps not that great as a playing
> surface. Although,
> when I flicked a couple of pieces across it when I
> saw the board last
> time they moved pretty darned fast and straight.
>
> I would love to refurbish this board as a present
> for my mom for
> Christmas. I know the last time she played this game
> was with her
> mother who died in the late 1940's and her brother
> who died this past
> year.
>
> I know I can't refinish it in time for Christmas and
> I am uncertain if
> I even should. But can I get replacement rubber
> bumpers anywhere?
>
> Does anyone have any ideas about the value of such a
> thing and if
> refinishing it would change that. I assume replacing
> the bumpers would
> do little to harm it.
>
> I would love to give her a little box of bumpers for
> the board that
> would bring this game and the fond memories she has
> of playing with it
> back to her.
>
> Any help or advice would really be appreciated.
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low
> PC-to-Phone call rates.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

Larry Riley

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

Check on Ebay for estimate of value. Cal

Subject: [Crokinole] Re: To restore or not restore an antique crokinole board

>I would most strongly urge you to leave the board alone. If you have
>ever watched the television show Antiques Roadshow, you have probably
>seen episodes where someone brings in a piece of antique furniture and
>they are so proud of their refinishing job on it. The expert then
>says, "Well, this is worth $10,000. If you had left the original
>finish on it, it would be worth $50,000." People want antiques in
>their original state untouched.
>
>Refinishing of antiques should be left to those who specialize in that
>venture. In the end, you'll end up paying that person more than it
>would cost to buy another for playing and leaving the antique one for
>display only. Consider instead building a nice display case for the
>board that can show all of the pieces (rules, discs, etc.) and that
>could keep it from further decay or damage.

Yeah! I kind of thought that. Our family does have a number of
valuable antiques and I wouldn't consider touching those. I am an
Antiques Roadshow addict, I admit. However, I don't have the faintest
idea if this board is valuable. If it's worth $100 I'd probably go
ahead and put new bumpers on it and use it. If its worth more like
$1000 then I'd likely preserve it.

At this point I think attempting to refinish it would be stupid no
matter what it was worth. Right now it pretty much just has old
screws sticking out of the board that used to have rubber bumpers on
them (a few with the rubber still attached). Even if I preserved it,
I think I might put new bumpers on it to make it look better.

Do you know how much a board like this is worth or know who would
know? I wrote several years ago to "Mr. Crokinole" at his website
since he has a collection and seems to have a board just like mine.
He did reply, but did not answer that question.

I remember when I touched it last a few years ago when she moved
again that the pieces move pretty darn straight and fast across even
that old surface. It's very evenly covered with tiny crackles. It is
not warped, bent, or damaged anywhere on its surface.

Several people who have replied to me suggested that you are the one
who would know the most about finishing boards and how they should
look and feel. I guess you make them?

This, for my mom, is a very sentimental thing she has kept (even in
it's unusable condition) for 60 years. I don't think she's at all
interested in getting a new board just to play this game. She would
really only be interested in this board she's moved everywhere she's
lived since high school.

Some others have suggested I get the "wax" powder from Germany to
make the surface fast. I don't know what that is made of. Do you
think it would damage the surface to use it? I'm thinking the pieces
move fast enough as it is and won't risk it. We're clearly not
championship players after all.

-Helen
--
-- Helen Holzgrafe
helen <at> holzgrafe.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

Another question. As I said in my earlier post, I'm finishing my
first board. I've looked around the web and found a huge variety of
prices on discs. I've seen them selling in bulk for $19.00/100, and
I've seen others claiming to be higher quality selling for $30.00/set
of 24. Does anyone have any suggestions on whether some discs are
better than others? I'm planning to make more boards, so buying in
bulk would make some sense for me. My first two, though, will be a
gift for friends and one for me, so I'd consider getting higher
quality discs for these, if such a thing exists.

Thanks,

-Dave

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game

Hello all! I'm new to the list - I found it doing a search for
information on finishing a new board that I'm making.

Specifically, I need information on the last step in the process,
polishing the board. I've applied many coats of water-based poly (at
least 10), and I'm ready to polish. I seem to remember seeing
somewhere that I need to wait a while for the finish to cure before
polishing it. My question is - how long do I need to wait before
polishing? Is there any way to expedite this process? This board is
a gift, and I'm hoping to have it completed by New Year's.

Also, does anyone have any input on powder use? I know that they're
pretty popular these days, but I've read that they can actually damage
the finish. Thoughts?

Thanks,

-Dave

•  1
  New Members

• Baseball board game
• Game play
• Board games
• Chess board game
• Monopoly board game