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Jon Cole | 2 Dec 2006 07:21
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ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

Hi

Does anyone recall if this has been discussed before or if there is a Perry 
sez on this?

A12.42 says with regard to vehicles bypassing an obstacle containing 
Concealed units, that their concealment is lost if a vehicle ends *THE* MPh 
in that Location (My emphasis added).

The Overrun Flowchart agrees with this, in the Staying in Location section 
it says, "Concealed/HIP units are revealed if ...vehicle..ends *THE* MPh in 
Bypass of their Location (A12.42)"

However Case A of the The Concealment Loss Table says Infantry lose their 
concealment if it "is in an obstacle wherea vehicle ends *ITS* MPh in Bypass 
(A15.42)". Obviously the A15.42 rules reference should be to A12.42 but 
there is a big difference between the end of THE MPh and the end of ITS MPh

My own view is that the "?" loss chart is in error and the rules and OVR 
flowchart are correct. But has anyone come across this before or have an 
opinion

TIA?

Cheers
Jon

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Raymond Woloszyn | 2 Dec 2006 14:36
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Smoke on Hills, etc. Questions

     Played Fr12 "The Fields of Black Gold" last night.    It is a scenario where you can expect to use a lot of Smoke
counters.    I was the Russians and the trick for the Germans is when to stop firing smoke and go for the kills.    I
won but barely.    Good scenario as witnessed at the ASLOK final.

     One question I think I have answered is that height advantage is cumulative with a unit in smoke.    Smoke is not
a TEM.  Correct

     More tricky requires a quick look at board #2.   A unit on level four hill 2K5 fires at a unit on level three in hex
2I5.   Smoke is between them on level four hex 2J4 but the line of sight goes out from 2K5 downward seemingly
underneath the smoke in 2J4.    Does the smoke in 2J4 create a hindrance for fire between the other two hexes
[2I5 to 2J4]?

     Since I am asking questions, here is an old one again.    A wreck as artificial terrain creates a +1 TEM for
sniper selection such that an empty clear terrain hex equidistant becomes the target.    Correct?

"Zadra"
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Carl Fago | 2 Dec 2006 18:27
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FW: ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

I don't recall any previous ruling (but there could easily be one that I
missed.)  A12.121 says the Concealment Loss / Gain Table takes precedence.
I would not think the overrun flow chart would change this.

Carl

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> Hi
> 
> Does anyone recall if this has been discussed before or if there is a
> Perry
> sez on this?
> 
> A12.42 says with regard to vehicles bypassing an obstacle containing
> Concealed units, that their concealment is lost if a vehicle ends *THE*
> MPh
> in that Location (My emphasis added).
> 
> The Overrun Flowchart agrees with this, in the Staying in Location section
> it says, "Concealed/HIP units are revealed if ...vehicle..ends *THE* MPh
> in
> Bypass of their Location (A12.42)"
> 
> However Case A of the The Concealment Loss Table says Infantry lose their
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scott.holst | 2 Dec 2006 19:50
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Re: FW: ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

Hi Carl-

Totally agree. 

I think many players think just becouse they pass ? loss check vs an AFV that means they get to keep ?  and not
lose it, of course this is not the case and I hope my last post was clear on that.

Scott
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Subject: RE: [Aslml] FW:  ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

> Except he never mentioned that there was an overrunning unit.  
> Only that he
> went to the Overrun flowchart for information on concealment loss. 
> The
> situation he's asking about is an AFV in bypass ending its MPh in 
> bypass ...
> what happens to the concealed unit.  That's why A12.121 is clear 
> that the
> concealment loss / gain table takes precedence and the unit would lose
> concealment at the end of the AFV's MPh.
> 
> Carl
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Ole Boe | 2 Dec 2006 23:13
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Re: FW: ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

Hi,
Carl Fago
>
> I don't recall any previous ruling (but there could easily be one that I
> missed.)  A12.121 says the Concealment Loss / Gain Table takes precedence.
> I would not think the overrun flow chart would change this.
>
You are correct. Furthermore, the ASOP also takes precedence "Should the
order of actions given in the body of the rules conflict with the ASOP, the
latter takes precedence.", and has concealment loss due to A12.42 in step
A3.32, which is during the vehicle's MPh, and not at the end of THE MPh.

As a side note, A3.32 is not really the correct step for this rule, since
A3.32 is during the vehicle's MPh, not at the end of the vehicle's MPh. The
correct position would be in step A4.31 instead.

I actually suggested a correction of A12.42 and the ASOP for Journal 7, but
it didn't get through. Maybe in J8...

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Jon Cole | 3 Dec 2006 01:10
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Re: FW: ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

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Subject: Re: [Aslml] FW: ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

> Hi,
> Carl Fago
>>
>> I don't recall any previous ruling (but there could easily be one that I
>> missed.)  A12.121 says the Concealment Loss / Gain Table takes 
>> precedence.
>> I would not think the overrun flow chart would change this.
>>
> You are correct. Furthermore, the ASOP also takes precedence "Should the
> order of actions given in the body of the rules conflict with the ASOP, 
> the
> latter takes precedence.", and has concealment loss due to A12.42 in step
> A3.32, which is during the vehicle's MPh, and not at the end of THE MPh.
>
> As a side note, A3.32 is not really the correct step for this rule, since
> A3.32 is during the vehicle's MPh, not at the end of the vehicle's MPh. 
> The
> correct position would be in step A4.31 instead.

I presume you mean step 3.41A  :-) I had looked at the ASOP for guidance but 
only at Step 3.4 which would be the correct place.

>
> I actually suggested a correction of A12.42 and the ASOP for Journal 7,
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Ole Bøe | 3 Dec 2006 11:38
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Re: FW: ASL: A12.42 Concealment Loss question

Hi,

I wrote:
> > As a side note, A3.32 is not really the correct step for this
> rule, since
> > A3.32 is during the vehicle's MPh, not at the end of the vehicle's MPh.
> > The
> > correct position would be in step A4.31 instead.
>
and Jon Cole answered:
> I presume you mean step 3.41A  :-) I had looked at the ASOP for
> guidance but
> only at Step 3.4 which would be the correct place.
>
I certainly mean step 3.41A ;-)

> >
> > I actually suggested a correction of A12.42 and the ASOP for Journal 7,
> > but > it didn't get through. Maybe in J8...
>
> Don't forget to mention that the Overrun flow chart also needs
> correcting,  as it says "...ends the MPh in Bypass..."
>
I have already made the addition to my notes file...

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Mattias Rönnblom | 3 Dec 2006 23:14
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Re: Smoke on Hills, etc. Questions

Raymond Woloszyn <reamees@...> writes:

>      One question I think I have answered is that height advantage is cumulative with a unit in smoke.    Smoke is
not a TEM.  Correct

I believe so.

> 
>      More tricky requires a quick look at board #2.   A unit on level four hill 2K5 fires at a unit on level three in
hex 2I5.   Smoke is between them on level four hex 2J4 but the line of sight goes out from 2K5 downward
seemingly underneath the smoke in 2J4.    Does the smoke in 2J4 create a hindrance for fire between the other
two hexes [2I5 to 2J4]?
> 

After re-reading the smoke rules, I don't think so. Smoke exists in
the target location and rises number of levels in height depending on
the type. Your LOS is not traced below the Smoke locations, and thus
does not suffer the Smoke DRM. (An interpretation consistent with how
Drift works.)

Regards,
        Mattias
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M Rodgers | 4 Dec 2006 03:50
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Re: Smoke on Hills, etc. Questions

On 12/2/06, Raymond Woloszyn <reamees@...> wrote:

>     Since I am asking questions, here is an old one again.    A wreck as artificial terrain creates a +1 TEM for
sniper selection such that an empty clear terrain hex equidistant becomes the target.    Correct?
>
>
That is the way I would play it, without consulting the rule book.

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Ryan Schultz | 4 Dec 2006 04:04
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Re: Smoke on Hills, etc. Questions


   A Perry says:

   A24 - SMOKE

   If original SMOKE is placed on a level 2 hill hex with a crest line to
   level 1, does the SMOKE rise from both levels,

   Yes

   e.g. assuming SMOKE in 2F7, will a shot from 2E7 to 2F8 be hindered by
   the SMOKE?
   Yes

   Think the key is the first answer where smoke rises from *both* levels
   in the hex.  So in Ray's question the smoke in 2J4 is at both levels
   and, I humbly suggest, affect the proposed attack.

   Ryan
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     Date:  03 Dec 2006 23:14:11 +0100
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     > >      One question I think I have answered is that height
     advantage is cumulative with a unit in smoke.    Smoke is not a
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