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Lennart Borgman (gmail | 1 Mar 2007 18:15

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Re: EmacsW32; tramp trouble with Tru64

Nelson E. Ingersoll wrote:
>    Has anyone figured out to get the Tramp (v2.0.55) in EmacsW32
> (v2007.02.25 et al) to work properly with a Tru64 4.0d (or any version)
> system?  It works well with all other systems, including it seems
> OpenVMS.  However, with Tru64 it takes literally 1-2 minutes to return
> from saving a simple file on the Tru64 system.  I've tried using the FTP
> method, i.e. (setq tramp-default-method "ftp").  Didn't make any difference.
> 
>    At the moment not only do I have to run the tramp-unload-tramp
> function, I have to use an old version of Ange-ftp.  Which is generally
> fine except for having to remember to run tramp-unload-tramp first.  It
> doesn't work when run from within .emacs or init.el.
> 
> - Nelson

Are you using Emacs+EmacsW32 from OurComments.org? In that case are you 
using the patched or the unpatched version?

Nelson E. Ingersoll | 1 Mar 2007 18:30

Re: EmacsW32; tramp trouble with Tru64

Lennart,

   Sorry.  I normally use the Emacs+EmacsW32 from OurComments.org and it
is the patched version.  Currently I am using the version published
2007.02.25.  I don't really believe it is a problem with the EmacsW32
put out by OurComments.org per se.  I believe it is an issue between
Tramp and Tru64.  I was hoping that someone here might have knowledge of
the problem or a suggestion.

- Nelson

PS - Thank you for the fine work on EmacsW32.  I *really* like
     having it.  It works *very* well for the most part.  And that
     part which doesn't work *very* well, if any, I don't |
     haven't used.

Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote:
> Nelson E. Ingersoll wrote:
>>    Has anyone figured out to get the Tramp (v2.0.55) in EmacsW32
>> (v2007.02.25 et al) to work properly with a Tru64 4.0d (or any version)
>> system?  It works well with all other systems, including it seems
>> OpenVMS.  However, with Tru64 it takes literally 1-2 minutes to return
>> from saving a simple file on the Tru64 system.  I've tried using the FTP
>> method, i.e. (setq tramp-default-method "ftp").  Didn't make any
>> difference.
>>
>>    At the moment not only do I have to run the tramp-unload-tramp
>> function, I have to use an old version of Ange-ftp.  Which is generally
>> fine except for having to remember to run tramp-unload-tramp first.  It
>> doesn't work when run from within .emacs or init.el.

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Lennart Borgman (gmail | 1 Mar 2007 18:38

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Re: EmacsW32; tramp trouble with Tru64

Thanks, but here is a little problem. The patches for example also 
concerns ftp. Maybe they also have other influences I do not know about.

Could you please try the unpatched version and then report this as a 
bug? (Use the menus Help - Send Bug Report.)

Nelson E. Ingersoll wrote:
> Lennart,
> 
>    Sorry.  I normally use the Emacs+EmacsW32 from OurComments.org and it
> is the patched version.  Currently I am using the version published
> 2007.02.25.  I don't really believe it is a problem with the EmacsW32
> put out by OurComments.org per se.  I believe it is an issue between
> Tramp and Tru64.  I was hoping that someone here might have knowledge of
> the problem or a suggestion.
> 
> - Nelson
> 
> PS - Thank you for the fine work on EmacsW32.  I *really* like
>      having it.  It works *very* well for the most part.  And that
>      part which doesn't work *very* well, if any, I don't |
>      haven't used.
> 
> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote:
>> Nelson E. Ingersoll wrote:
>>>    Has anyone figured out to get the Tramp (v2.0.55) in EmacsW32
>>> (v2007.02.25 et al) to work properly with a Tru64 4.0d (or any version)
>>> system?  It works well with all other systems, including it seems
>>> OpenVMS.  However, with Tru64 it takes literally 1-2 minutes to return
>>> from saving a simple file on the Tru64 system.  I've tried using the FTP

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Phil Betts | 1 Mar 2007 18:44

RE: EmacsW32; tramp trouble with Tru64

Nelson E. Ingersoll wrote on Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:31 PM::

> Lennart,
> 
>    Sorry.  I normally use the Emacs+EmacsW32 from OurComments.org and
> it is the patched version.  Currently I am using the version published
> 2007.02.25.  I don't really believe it is a problem with the EmacsW32
> put out by OurComments.org per se.  I believe it is an issue between
> Tramp and Tru64.  I was hoping that someone here might have knowledge
> of the problem or a suggestion.
> 

It works for me using:
EmacsNT version:
 GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2005-06-26 on NONIQPC
Tramp version: 2.0.36

when connecting to Tru64 v5.1.

However, I do have problems when running emacs on a SuSE linux box,
because that version of ftp sets the EPSV mode, and the Tru64 ftpd
doesn't seem to handle it.

Is it possible that the ftp.exe you are using is doing the same thing?

Phil

Lennart Borgman (gmail | 1 Mar 2007 19:23

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Re: EmacsW32; tramp trouble with Tru64

Phil Betts wrote:
> Nelson E. Ingersoll wrote on Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:31 PM::
> 
>> Lennart,
>>
>>    Sorry.  I normally use the Emacs+EmacsW32 from OurComments.org and
>> it is the patched version.  Currently I am using the version published
>> 2007.02.25.  I don't really believe it is a problem with the EmacsW32
>> put out by OurComments.org per se.  I believe it is an issue between
>> Tramp and Tru64.  I was hoping that someone here might have knowledge
>> of the problem or a suggestion.
>>
> 
> It works for me using:
> EmacsNT version:
>  GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2005-06-26 on NONIQPC
> Tramp version: 2.0.36
> 
> when connecting to Tru64 v5.1.
> 
> However, I do have problems when running emacs on a SuSE linux box,
> because that version of ftp sets the EPSV mode, and the Tru64 ftpd
> doesn't seem to handle it.
> 
> Is it possible that the ftp.exe you are using is doing the same thing?

I would like to know what ftp program both of you use. I have had 
trouble with the ftp program that comes with MS Windows.

I saw now that GnuWin32 contains an ftp program in InetUtils:

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Phil Betts | 2 Mar 2007 13:30

RE: EmacsW32; tramp trouble with Tru64

Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote on Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:24 PM::

> Phil Betts wrote:
>> Nelson E. Ingersoll wrote on Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:31 PM::
>> 
>>> Lennart,
>>> 
>>>    Sorry.  I normally use the Emacs+EmacsW32 from OurComments.org
>>> and it is the patched version.  Currently I am using the version
>>> published 2007.02.25.  I don't really believe it is a problem with
>>> the EmacsW32 put out by OurComments.org per se.  I believe it is an
>>> issue between Tramp and Tru64.  I was hoping that someone here
>>> might have knowledge of the problem or a suggestion.
>>> 
>> 
>> It works for me using:
>> EmacsNT version:
>>  GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2005-06-26 on
>> NONIQPC Tramp version: 2.0.36 
>> 
>> when connecting to Tru64 v5.1.
>> 
>> However, I do have problems when running emacs on a SuSE linux box,
>> because that version of ftp sets the EPSV mode, and the Tru64 ftpd
>> doesn't seem to handle it. 
>> 
>> Is it possible that the ftp.exe you are using is doing the same
>> thing? 
> 
>

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Lennart Borgman (gmail | 2 Mar 2007 16:10

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Re: EmacsW32; tramp trouble with Tru64

Phil Betts wrote:

> I'm using an ftp.exe that was recommended with the original EmacsNT.  It
> was the only one I could get to work reliably.  I'm sorry I don't have
> any more info, but my guess is it was a BSD port based on the source
> control IDs:
> 
>   <at> (#)cmds.c      5.18 (Berkeley) 4/20/89
>   <at> (#)cmdtab.c    5.9 (Berkeley) 3/21/89
>   <at> (#)domacro.c   1.6 (Berkeley) 2/28/89
>   <at> (#)ftp.c       5.28 (Berkeley) 4/20/89
>   <at> (#) Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California.
>   <at> (#)main.c      based on 5.13 (Berkeley) 3/14/89
>   <at> (#)ruserpass.c 5.1 (Berkeley) 3/1/89
> 
> $ ls -l /c/Emacs/bin/ftp.exe         
> -rwx------+ 1 Guest None 114688 Dec 23  1997 /c/Emacs/bin/ftp.exe*
> 
> It wasn't distributed with source.  I could PM you a copy of the exe.

Yes, please do so I can compare with the one I have. Do you remember 
where you downloaded it from? I have a link here to an ftp program here, 
is that the program you are using:

   http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html

See "What the patches contains".

> I'll try to test the gnuwin32 version later today, but I'm guessing
> it'll have the same problems as the linux ftp because they'll be

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Filip Stokkeland | 7 Mar 2007 13:06

Images in W32 build and starttls/smtps question

Hi!
I realize there's a thread on this issue (From December 2006), but
since I just joined the list, I don't know how to easily reply to that
thread, as I don't see the Message-ID and References header in the web
archive.

The thread was had subject "image support in the newer EmacsW32
builds". I just checked out emacs from CVS and built it using MinGW
yesterday, on WinXP SP2. I bootstrapped and built everything using
"make bootstrap" and mingw32-make for the rest. I also compiled vm
into the same folder hierarchy, and it works. But the icons seem to be
monocromatic or what you call it (just grey and black), both for the
emacs toolbar and for the vm icons. The problem mentioned in the
thread I refer to, tagging the pbm's as binaries in CVS was said to be
the problem and that was fixed. So when I got a similar problem
yesterday, I guess something else must be the problem, right? Maybe I
need to install some libraries (or tell configure or MinGW where to
find those libs)? Any idea?

The other challenge I have, is getting vm to send via smtps, using a
setup like this:
  (setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 587 nil nil))
        smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com"
        smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com"
        send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
        message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
        smtpmail-smtp-service 587
        smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com"
  				     587
  				     "username <at> gmail.com"

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Lennart Borgman (gmail | 7 Mar 2007 13:42

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Re: Images in W32 build and starttls/smtps question

Filip Stokkeland wrote:

> The thread was had subject "image support in the newer EmacsW32
> builds". I just checked out emacs from CVS and built it using MinGW
> yesterday, on WinXP SP2. I bootstrapped and built everything using
> "make bootstrap" and mingw32-make for the rest. I also compiled vm
> into the same folder hierarchy, and it works. But the icons seem to be
> monocromatic or what you call it (just grey and black), both for the
> emacs toolbar and for the vm icons. The problem mentioned in the
> thread I refer to, tagging the pbm's as binaries in CVS was said to be
> the problem and that was fixed. So when I got a similar problem
> yesterday, I guess something else must be the problem, right? Maybe I
> need to install some libraries (or tell configure or MinGW where to
> find those libs)? Any idea?

If you do not want the prebuilt binaries with image support then perhaps 
the information here can help you:

   http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/w32-build-emacs.html

Filip Stokkeland | 7 Mar 2007 14:09

Re: Images in W32 build and starttls/smtps question

On 3/7/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> If you do not want the prebuilt binaries with image support then perhaps
> the information here can help you:
>
>    http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/w32-build-emacs.html

Had some trouble with the prebuilt binaries, wanted to build myself to
try to sort out exactly where the trouble lies/occurs ... That link
has a specific section on how to get images support. So I'll look into
that when I get home to my WinXP box ... Thanks! :)

--

-- 
Filip

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