1 Feb 03:43 2007

### remember inserts '[[]]'

Hello, Carsten and list users!

If org doesn't support a link for a buffer, [[]] will be inserted in
*remember*. For example, if I run remember in an ERC buffer, I get
something like this:

,----[ buffer *remember* ]
| * TODO
|
|   [[]]
----

I am not sure if this is a bug.

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1 Feb 06:40 2007

### Re: remember inserts '[[]]'

This is a buffer without file, so I would not know what the link could
do.
What would you propose in this case?  Just leave out the link?

- Carsten

On Feb 1, 2007, at 3:43, Leo wrote:

> Hello, Carsten and list users!
>
> If org doesn't support a link for a buffer, [[]] will be inserted in
> *remember*. For example, if I run remember in an ERC buffer, I get
> something like this:
>
> ,----[ buffer *remember* ]
> | * TODO
> |
> |   [[]]
> ----
>
> I am not sure if this is a bug.
>
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1 Feb 07:59 2007

### Re: remember inserts '[[]]'

On 2007-02-01, Carsten Dominik said:

> This is a buffer without file, so I would not know what the link could
> do.
> What would you propose in this case?  Just leave out the link?
>
> - Carsten

Inserting [[]] is not useful and most of the time users will have
to delete them manually. So leaving them out seems a good choice.

FWIW, planner-erc.el has
;; Annotations will be in the following forms.
;;
;; [[irc://server/nick,isnick][Chat with nick on server#channel]]
;; [[irc://server/nick,isnick][Chat with nick on server]]
;; [[irc://server/#channel][Chat on server#channel]]
;; [[irc://server][Chat on server]]

but I am not a heavy user of irc and I don't find it particularly
useful. Anyone missing this feature?

>
> On Feb 1, 2007, at 3:43, Leo wrote:
>
>> Hello, Carsten and list users!
>>
>> If org doesn't support a link for a buffer, [[]] will be inserted in
>> *remember*. For example, if I run remember in an ERC buffer, I get
>> something like this:


1 Feb 18:45 2007

### Org Newbie Dream/Request for Feature - Display linked email in org file

I am an Org newbie with Org experience of about 2 hours. But I am so
excited. Through reading Dave's tutorial and a little manual, I decided
to use for many things.

One of them is business management.

Say some customer asks for quotation by email, and henthforth there
will be many email communications. Maybe many prices about many products
are quoted. And then no communication for fairly long time. Suddenly
someday this customer goes to place some order. So I have to search for
emails for the prices quoted.

I think it's possible to use Org for this quotation tracking.

Sure it's not agenda or todo but notes. Something like:

** Some Customer
Some day -- some quoation activity

What I want is some function to display linked emails internally in org
file. Some org-show-linked-email-internally. FYI, I use Gnus for email,
with nnimap mainly and nnml groups for archiving of email specifically
from some company (in biz) or someone.

>From Org manual I know Org can deal with external links fine, including

My questions:
1. Are these links buttonized? Or can they be?


5 Feb 20:32 2007

### Outlining vs OrgMode

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using Outline mode vs Org mode for writing reports/articles in Emacs.

Being new to Emacs, I hadn't realised that Emacs had built in Outlining and have been using Org Mode, with the added attraction that I can drop TODOs into the doc and have them appear in Agenda views.

So I just wondered if those with more experience can say if there is any reason not to use Org mode for writing.

Thanks,

Graham

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6 Feb 08:55 2007

### org-mode 4.64

Hi,

I have released version 4.64 at

http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org

Enjoy.

- Carsten

Changes in Version 4.64
-----------------------

* Overview

- Email links get better, configurable descriptions
- When inserting a link, selected text becomes the description
- Horizontal lines in HTML export.
- Remember templates and storing of notes improved.

* Detailed description of changes

- The descriptive part of links to email messages can be configured
using the variable org-email-link-description-format'.  The new
default is "Email %c: %.30s" and leads to

Email from NAME: SUBJECT

If you configure the variable org-from-is-user-regexp'
correctly, then for email you *sent* this will actually change to

Email to NAME: SUBJECT

The subject is limited to 30 characters.  If you have become
attached to the previous default (look twice, the new one is
better), use "%f on: %s" as your format.

- Selecting text before entering a new link with C-c C-l now really
works, the selected text becomes the description part of the
link.  Requested by Scott, buggy 4.62 implementation is now fixed.

- Stored links are part of the history list for C-c C-l, so to
reach them, you can use up/down rather than completion.  Thanks
to Raman for this excellent idea.

- A line consisting only of "-", and at least 5 of them, is
exported into HTML as <hr/>, as proposed by Giovanni Ridolfi.

- Several changes to org <-> remember integration

- You can use org-remember' as your default command to start
remember.  It will automatically detect if there is an active
region and use it as initial content (we will probably make
remember.el work like this as well).
Also, when calling org-remember' in a remember buffer that
was created with a template, you will again be asked to
select a template.  The buffer is then re-created with the
new template, but the old context information.  This is
useful if you change your mind about the template to use
(Leo's idea).

- Besides specifying a default *target* file for a note, you
can also give a default *heading* of which the note should
become a subitem.  In many cases this avoids or speeds up
navigating to the right location.  Both file and heading can
be different for each template.  Both are non-binding, you
can change them while storing the note.  However, when you
exit remember with C-u C-c C-c, these defaults will be used
without interaction.

- Templates can specify interactive fields.  During expansion
of the template, you will be prompted for the information in
that field.  For example %^t will pop up a calendar and ask
you to select a date. This new feature follows a proposal
from Leo, who in the mean time has said he does not need it
anymore.  But I liked it, so here it is

- Templates can access information specific to the link type
created, for example the author and subject of an email.
Syntax is %:fromname, %:fromaddress, %:subject etc, details
in the manual.  Proposed by Peder O. Klingenberg.

- I have been considering to move, at some stage, the template
functionality into remember.el itself - which would of course
require consent of the remember.el maintainers.  I am not
sure how well this would work though, since some things like
the interactive time stamps are org.el specific, so treating
them would require special hooks.  Comments?

6 Feb 11:44 2007

### Re: [bug] lists followed by : has wrong indent

Hi Leo

I have decided to treat this as "intentional".  Paragraphs with ":" are
not considered as changing the list level you are no, even if they are
indented less than the current list.  I believe this also makes sense
because fixed-width text (normally quoting code or something like this)
usually has an introductory sentence before it.

Thanks for the report.

- Carsten

On Dec 20, 2006, at 20:39, Leo wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> [Emacs 23.0.0.4 20061218, default org: 4.56b]
>
> The test file and its html export are attached. The issue is a
> paragraph marked with : following a list will have an indent as the
> list items. But if anything is put in between, org will identify the
> end of the list and use a different indent. Is this intentional or a
> bug?
>
> <test.org><test.html>
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6 Feb 14:22 2007

### Re: org-mode 4.64

On 2007-02-06, Carsten Dominik said:

> Hi,
>
> I have released version 4.64 at
>
> http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org
>
> Enjoy.
>
> - Carsten

Thank you, Carsten.

This will keep me busy for a while. I enjoy exploring new features of
org.

BTW, I found a typo in org-remember:
,----[ typo ]
| org-remember is an interactive compiled Lisp function in org.el'.
| (org-remember)
|
| Call remember'.  If this is already a remember buffer, re-apply template.
| If there is an active region, *amke* sure remember uses it as initial content
| of the remember buffer.
----

Regards,
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7 Feb 02:33 2007

### Re: org-mode 4.64


Thank you, Carsten for this wonderful package with constant
improvement.

On 2007-02-06, Carsten Dominik said:

[...]
> * Detailed description of changes
>
>   - The descriptive part of links to email messages can be configured
>     using the variable org-email-link-description-format'.  The new
>     default is "Email %c: %.30s" and leads to
>
>        Email from NAME: SUBJECT

Very nice feature. The issue is it usually break in the middle of a
word which made the description look odd. Can it be improved to do
either of the following:

1) if the break position is in the middle of a word, include that
word.
2) add '...' (just an example) to the end of the break position

I don't know which one is better though I like 1) more.

[...]
>   - A line consisting only of "-", and at least 5 of them, is
>     exported into HTML as <hr/>, as proposed by Giovanni Ridolfi.

Slowly more and more mark up rules are introduced into org. Is there a
standard/popular Wiki Markup rules we can use for org, maybe like the
one used for emacswiki? Any other suggestions?

[...]
>       - I have been considering to move, at some stage, the template
>         functionality into remember.el itself - which would of course
>         require consent of the remember.el maintainers.  I am not
>         sure how well this would work though, since some things like
>         the interactive time stamps are org.el specific, so treating
>         them would require special hooks.  Comments?

The template functionality seems generally useful. So I think move it
to remember is a good choice.

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7 Feb 02:34 2007

### Re: [bug] lists followed by : has wrong indent

On 2007-02-06, Carsten Dominik said:

> Hi Leo
>
> I have decided to treat this as "intentional".  Paragraphs with ":"
> are not considered as changing the list level you are no, even if
> they are indented less than the current list.  I believe this also
> makes sense because fixed-width text (normally quoting code or
> something like this) usually has an introductory sentence before it.
>
> Thanks for the report.
>
> - Carsten

I am fine with the decision.

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