Christian Egli | 1 Jun 17:07 2006
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Re: org-agenda-todo-list-sublevels bug?

Hi all

On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 12:53 +0200, Christian Egli wrote:
> I really like the option to hide TODOs that are part of a bigger TODO,
> for example
> 
> * TODO Organize party
> ** TODO Invite people
> ** TODO Find location
> 
> Thanks to the option org-agenda-todo-list-sublevels my agenda only
> contains the "Organize party" task and is not cluttered with the
> subtasks.
> 
> However if I schedule the task "Organize Party" the subtasks show up in
> the "ALL CURRENTLY OPEN TODO ITEMS". I guess the code to skip the
> subtasks should not only be in org-agenda-get-todos but also in
> org-agenda-get-scheduled and possibly all org-agenda-get-* functions.

Attached is the test org file and my .emacs. The version of org-mode is
4.35 (from CVS). The *Org Agenda* Buffer looks as follows:

ALL CURRENTLY OPEN TODO ITEMS:
  test:       TODO Invite people
  test:       TODO Find location
Monday    29 May 2006
Tuesday   30 May 2006
Wednesday 31 May 2006
Thursday   1 June 2006
  test:       Scheduled:  TODO Organize party
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Carsten Dominik | 2 Jun 00:00 2006
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Re: org-agenda-todo-list-sublevels bug?


OK, there is indeed a bug, exposed because of your setting

    (setq org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled t)

which I don't have and therefore the bug did not happen for me.  Thanks 
for taking the time to make me a test file, and for including your 
complete configuration.

I have fixed this for the next version.  I am not sure if you realize 
this, but this will mean that your example todo list will be completely 
empty. You ask Org-mode to not treat scheduled items as "open", and you 
also ask it to ignore the subitems of any TODO.  The first setting 
makes it skip the first headline, the second setting makes it skip the 
other two.

Thanks

- Carsten

On Jun 1, 2006, at 17:07, Christian Egli wrote:

> Hi all
>
> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 12:53 +0200, Christian Egli wrote:
>> I really like the option to hide TODOs that are part of a bigger TODO,
>> for example
>>
>> * TODO Organize party
>> ** TODO Invite people
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Carsten Dominik | 2 Jun 00:12 2006
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Future development of Org-mode

Hi,

my TODO list for Org-mode is now on the web, to give you an idea of 
what is still on my mind - mostly small things at the moment.  You can 
also use this list to see if I have missed your brilliant idea, and 
remind me again.  Some items I have marked "DECLINED".  This means that 
I do not plan to implement this feature in the near future, for any of 
a number of possible reasons.  However, you can always try to change my 
mind, of course.

You can find the link to this list on the Org-mode home page in the 
"Links" section.  Or go directly to

      http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/todo.html

- Carsten

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Daniel J. Sinder | 2 Jun 01:36 2006
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Midnight and noon in agendas

I've noticed that '12pm' when used as a time-of-day specification
puts an entry at 24:00 in the agenda.  '12am' places the item at
noon in the agenda.

It is arguable whether 00:00 should be used instead of 24:00.
Personally, I prefer it the way it is, where midnight events are
placed at 24:00 because if I have something scheduled/due at
midnight, I'd like to see it on the agenda for the day *preceding*
the event/item.

However, the issue I differ on is the interpretation of 12am as noon
and 12pm as midnight.  Although they are both ambiguous, it seems
that 12am is more typically associated with midnight, while 12pm is
associated with noon.  One explanation goes like this:  Since the
24-hour clock runs from 00:00:00--23:59:59, then 00:00:00-11:59:59
is AM and 12:00:00-23:59:59 is PM.

Just curious....is the current mapping a deliberate choice or a bug?

Dan
Carsten Dominik | 2 Jun 07:15 2006
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Re: Midnight and noon in agendas

Well, if this is the way things are normally interpreted,
then this is clearly a bug.  Thanks for explaining this to me.
Strange system.  Switching am to pm always makes the event happen 
later, except when the hour is 12.

However, I will not make items jump days because of a time 
specification.  This has first of all technical reasons:  Agenda 
entries are collected based on the date only. The time-of-day 
specification is only used later in the process to sort the entries on 
the day.  So given this restriction, what would you or other people 
here want:

Should 12am be listed as 0:00 or as 24:00?
Should 12:21am be listed as 0:21 or as 24:21?

It seems to me that the logic would be a bit better to schedule these 
show uo as 0:00 and 0:21.  If you wanted to put something at midnight 
at the end of the day you would then have to use 24:00 and 24:21.

Opinions?

- Carsten

On Jun 2, 2006, at 1:36, Daniel J. Sinder wrote:

> I've noticed that '12pm' when used as a time-of-day specification
> puts an entry at 24:00 in the agenda.  '12am' places the item at
> noon in the agenda.
>
> It is arguable whether 00:00 should be used instead of 24:00.
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T. V. Raman | 2 Jun 15:12 2006
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Re: org-agenda-todo-list-sublevels bug?


Here's one for the list:

Now that we have xhtml output, and CSS support, it might be nice
to introduce support for microformats -- starting with things
like hcard and hcalendar.

>>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <dominik <at> science.uva.nl> writes:
    Carsten> OK, there is indeed a bug, exposed because of your
    Carsten> setting
    Carsten> 
    Carsten>     (setq org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled t)
    Carsten> 
    Carsten> which I don't have and therefore the bug did not
    Carsten> happen for me.  Thanks for taking the time to make
    Carsten> me a test file, and for including your complete
    Carsten> configuration.
    Carsten> 
    Carsten> I have fixed this for the next version.  I am not
    Carsten> sure if you realize this, but this will mean that
    Carsten> your example todo list will be completely empty. You
    Carsten> ask Org-mode to not treat scheduled items as "open",
    Carsten> and you also ask it to ignore the subitems of any
    Carsten> TODO.  The first setting makes it skip the first
    Carsten> headline, the second setting makes it skip the other
    Carsten> two.
    Carsten> 
    Carsten> Thanks
    Carsten> 
    Carsten> - Carsten
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T. V. Raman | 2 Jun 15:35 2006
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missing ';' in html output

Minor bug (probably introduced by me )--
in xhtml output, non-breaking space is coming out as &nbsp --
should be &nbsp;

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Jason F. McBrayer | 2 Jun 15:18 2006
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Re: Midnight and noon in agendas

On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 07:15 +0200, Carsten Dominik wrote:

> It seems to me that the logic would be a bit better to schedule these 
> show uo as 0:00 and 0:21.  If you wanted to put something at midnight 
> at the end of the day you would then have to use 24:00 and 24:21.
> 
> Opinions?

That's probably the best way to do it.  Users should probably be
responsible for scheduling things on the correct day --- either 23:59
one day or 0:00 the next.

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J. David Boyd | 2 Jun 16:02 2006

Re: Midnight and noon in agendas

Carsten Dominik <dominik <at> science.uva.nl> writes:

>
> Should 12am be listed as 0:00 or as 24:00?
> Should 12:21am be listed as 0:21 or as 24:21?
>

I vote for 0:00 and 0:21

Dave in Largo, FL
Michael Olson | 2 Jun 16:11 2006
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Re: Midnight and noon in agendas

Carsten Dominik <dominik <at> science.uva.nl> writes:

> It seems to me that the logic would be a bit better to schedule these
> show uo as 0:00 and 0:21.  If you wanted to put something at midnight
> at the end of the day you would then have to use 24:00 and 24:21.
>
> Opinions?

That would have the nice effect of giving people more hours in a day.
I'm sure everyone could use that.  :^)

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