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Carsten Dominik | 14 Mar 2006 11:39
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Other software development for Org-mode

I know that a few people are developing add-on software for Org-mode.  
Maybe it is useful to make a list of these, to avoid duplicate work and 
allow for feedback.  I myself am aware of the following efforts.

XML export, for example XOXO or OPM or OPML.
     There is already a XOXO exporter by Nic Ferrier, he posted it on 
Usenet some time ago.

Bonsai Outliner for Windows/PalmOS, export/import options for Org-mode 
files
    Thomas Baumann has been working on these, but not finished the
    org-to-bonsai branch if I remember correctly because of problems 
with the data format
    on the Palm.

org-mouse.el by Piotr Zielinski
    This is a package with additional mouse support, also already 
published on Usenet.
     It does a number of things, like promotion/demotion with the mouse, 
and a
     context menu for mouse-clicks, for example with a list of TODO 
keywords
    when you click on TODO, or a list of priorities when you click on a 
priority cookie.

Is there anything else I am not aware of?

- Carsten

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Carsten Dominik | 14 Mar 2006 11:59
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Up and running on Gmane

The mailing list can now also be accessed through the nntp and web 
interface on gmane.  The group name is gmane.emacs.orgmode.  The web 
interface is here:

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/

- Carsten
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Nic | 14 Mar 2006 12:36
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XOXO output (was Re: Other software development for Org-mode)

Carsten Dominik <dominik <at> science.uva.nl> writes:

> I know that a few people are developing add-on software for Org-mode.  
> Maybe it is useful to make a list of these, to avoid duplicate work and 
> allow for feedback.  I myself am aware of the following efforts.
>
>
> XML export, for example XOXO or OPM or OPML.
>      There is already a XOXO exporter by Nic Ferrier, he posted it on 
> Usenet some time ago.

I'm going to post it here because I want some feedback on it.

At the moment it outputs a simple XOXO view of an outline. It does not
handle org-mode content when it breaks away from an outline.

There's a reason for that: XOXO (and OPM and OPML) only specify the
outline format... nothing else.

So the question is: what do people want the non-outline org-mode
content to look like in an XOXO view?

- something like is already in org-mode's HTML output

- simpler XHTML

- something else entirely?

Btw... an XOXO exporter would be better than the current HTML exporter
because it would be more flexible. Using an XML transform (maybe XSLT,
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Jason F. McBrayer | 14 Mar 2006 14:26
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Re: A remember/notepad add on to org-mode

On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 10:28 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote:

> I  also just realize that it might be handy to have org-mode active 
> when editing the entry, to be able to do the timestamps and other 
> things while editing the entry.
> 
> Hmm, I can see two way to modify this:
> 
> 1. modify the remember mechanism, basically giving the user more rope, 
> for example along these lines:

I think something like this is the way to go.  I currently don't use
remember as much as I should, mainly because of the hardcoded headline
formatting.  Having org-mode or a subset thereof (TODO, timestamps)
available in remember buffers, and leaving the user's headline alone
except for adding the right number of *s would be really useful to me.

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Philip Rooke | 14 Mar 2006 22:31
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Re: A remember/notepad add on to org-mode

Carsten Dominik <dominik <at> science.uva.nl> writes:
>>    ------
>>    TODO Something I really must do
>>    ------
>>    and get an entry like
>>    ------
>>    ** TODO Something I really must do
>>       DEADLINE: <2006-03-13 Mon 10:27>
>
> This would be harder.  How should we guess the date/time for the
> deadline?

This is clearly something related to my own preferred method of time
and task management rather than something I would expect anyone to
agree with.

Having said that the remember interface is, I think, about allowing
you to make a note very quickly whilst concentrating on some other
task.  In this case what I would like to do is automatically capture
the TODO item with a deadline of today (the day I make the note).
This forces the item immediately onto my agenda and then becomes
something I should deal with.  By this I mean I have to deal with the
note today, *not* its implied content.  At some point in the day I put
aside time to go through these "remembered notes" and sort them out:
quickly return a call, pass on the action elsewhere, re-schedule to a
realistic date, copy off to another org file that is dealing with the
issue, re-consider or re-draft a more appropriate action etc....

> 1. modify the remember mechanism, basically giving the user more rope,
> for example along these lines:
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Carsten Dominik | 15 Mar 2006 08:23
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Re: Suggested change to round timestamps.

Ah, Alex,

yes, thank you for this reminder.  Alex did sent me that patch before.   
I remember that I did like the idea but did not put it in because there  
are more places in the code that dead with time stamps and that would  
also have to be modified.  So some work would be needed, right now I  
don't know how much out of the top of my head.

More people who would find this useful?

- Carsten

On Mar 14, 2006, at 0:43, Alex Bochannek wrote:

> When I first started using Org-mode to keep track of events during the
> day, I found the timestamp function extremely handy. I didn't want to
> keep time to the minute, but round to, e.g., fifteen minute intervals.
>
> Attached is the patch that I am proposing. Since it was originally
> against 4.01, I hope I didn't miss anything important.
>
> Alex.
>
> *** org.el	13 Mar 2006 15:08:15 -0800	1.8
> --- org.el	13 Mar 2006 15:26:19 -0800	
> ***************
> *** 433,438 ****
> --- 433,444 ----
>   It is not recommended to change this constant.")
>
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Carsten Dominik | 15 Mar 2006 08:24
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Org-mode 4.10 released

I have released Org-mode 4.10, with the latest two bug fixes:  
Underlining of Title in ASCII export, and conflict with outline-magic 
over keybinding for <tab>.

- Carsten

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Thomas Baumann | 15 Mar 2006 09:16
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Re: Suggested change to round timestamps.

Useful, maybe, for accounting purposes, in this case, the calculation of
the timespan in between could be extended to compute and insert a
rounded value.

For other purposes I would stay with the exact value (which of course
is still possible in Alex version), well, this is my personal opinion.

Thomas

Carsten Dominik <dominik <at> science.uva.nl> writes:

> Ah, Alex,
>
> yes, thank you for this reminder.  Alex did sent me that patch before.
> I remember that I did like the idea but did not put it in because
> there  are more places in the code that dead with time stamps and that
> would  also have to be modified.  So some work would be needed, right
> now I  don't know how much out of the top of my head.
>
> More people who would find this useful?
>
> - Carsten
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 0:43, Alex Bochannek wrote:
>
>> When I first started using Org-mode to keep track of events during the
>> day, I found the timestamp function extremely handy. I didn't want to
>> keep time to the minute, but round to, e.g., fifteen minute intervals.
>>
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Philip Rooke | 15 Mar 2006 22:06
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Re: Suggested change to round timestamps.

Thomas Baumann <thomas.baumann <at> ch.tum.de> writes:

> Useful, maybe, for accounting purposes, in this case, the calculation of
> the timespan in between could be extended to compute and insert a
> rounded value.

I agree, definitely a useful extension.  I know a number of people who
log/record time to larger units than 1 minute (6 minutes seems to be
common).

> For other purposes I would stay with the exact value (which of course 
> is still possible in Alex version)

Likewise, I would stay with the exact value but still like the idea of
being able to do something different.

Regards,

Phil
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Alex Bochannek | 15 Mar 2006 22:34
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Re: Suggested change to round timestamps.

Philip Rooke <phil <at> yax.org.uk> writes:

> Thomas Baumann <thomas.baumann <at> ch.tum.de> writes:
>
>> Useful, maybe, for accounting purposes, in this case, the calculation of
>> the timespan in between could be extended to compute and insert a
>> rounded value.
>
> I agree, definitely a useful extension.  I know a number of people who
> log/record time to larger units than 1 minute (6 minutes seems to be
> common).

It seems like people get used to that when they work in environments
that requires them to submit time cards. Personally, I just find it
annoying to look at the agenda view and see a meeting I attended
listed as 13:02-14:07 :-)

>> For other purposes I would stay with the exact value (which of course 
>> is still possible in Alex version)
>
> Likewise, I would stay with the exact value but still like the idea of
> being able to do something different.

I tried to change it in a way that would not affect the existing
functionality. I also looked at all the calls to current-time (in the
4.01 version I started with) and only modified the ones that were
relevant. I did not look at 4.09/4.10 yet.

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