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Dave Pawson | 1 Jun 2008 09:32
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Re: let's do something about spam

2008/5/31 Xah Lee <xah <at> xahlee.org>:
> i just installed nxml and joined this group.
>
> however, first 2 messages i got was spam. I was going to unsubscribe but i thought...
>
> Can we do something about that?
>
> yahoo groups allow groups of moderators... so we can set the group to mod and filter out
> just the bot spams... i run a few yahoo groups... usually what i do is simply not allowing bot
> posts to go thru.

I am a moderator of this group.
I do delete spam, and remove the sender.
It is an open list so I can't stop new ones
joining.

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Xah Lee | 3 Jun 2008 20:25

Re: let's do something about spam

Hi Dave Pawson,

Great. Thanks.

I was thinking we can make the group moderated, if the spam continues. Because i know 
for one person to handle the drudge of deleting spams daily may be too much.

Btw, i was wondering whether nxml mode should become part of gnu emacs? Or, anyone 
know how it compares to emacs default?

i havn't worked with xml much, but recently dl'd nxml and read about it. Seems the 
thousand lines with full parser is real quality work.

 Xah

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> 2008/5/31 Xah Lee <xah <at> ...>:
> > i just installed nxml and joined this group.
> >
> > however, first 2 messages i got was spam. I was going to unsubscribe but i thought...
> >
> > Can we do something about that?
> >
> > yahoo groups allow groups of moderators... so we can set the group to mod and filter 
out
> > just the bot spams... i run a few yahoo groups... usually what i do is simply not 
allowing bot
> > posts to go thru.
>
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Dave Pawson | 4 Jun 2008 08:55
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Re: Re: let's do something about spam

2008/6/3 Xah Lee <xah <at> xahlee.org>:
> Hi Dave Pawson,
>
> Great. Thanks.
>
> I was thinking we can make the group moderated, if the spam continues. Because i know
> for one person to handle the drudge of deleting spams daily may be too much.
>
> Btw, i was wondering whether nxml mode should become part of gnu emacs? Or, anyone
> know how it compares to emacs default?

The fork that is using nxml-mode for xhtml seems to have done that. I
doubt it has
been declared a fork though.

Which emacs default? sgml-mode/xml-mode?

>
> i havn't worked with xml much, but recently dl'd nxml and read about it. Seems the
> thousand lines with full parser is real quality work.

It is. The guy who wrote it is a bit of a genius, lots of really impressive
code, all (AFAIK) open sourced.

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Jason Rumney | 4 Jun 2008 10:40

Re: Re: let's do something about spam

Dave Pawson wrote:
> The fork that is using nxml-mode for xhtml seems to have done that. I
> doubt it has been declared a fork though.
>   

I think you misunderstand here. James Clark assigned nxml to the FSF so 
it could be included in Emacs. The version in Emacs CVS was taken from 
James's official site, not from any fork.

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Dave Pawson | 4 Jun 2008 11:48
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Re: Re: let's do something about spam

2008/6/4 Jason Rumney <jasonr <at> f2s.com>:

> I think you misunderstand here. James Clark assigned nxml to the FSF so
> it could be included in Emacs. The version in Emacs CVS was taken from
> James's official site, not from any fork.

Thanks, in which case I did misunderstand.

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rossburton42 | 9 Jun 2008 17:02
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nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

Hi,

I'm using nxml-mode to validate my Docbook and so on as I write, but
I've hit a small annoyance.  In my current document I'm using XInclude
to bring in source code snippets but nxml is for obviously reasons
marking <xi:include .../> as invalid.  Is there a way to get nxml-mode
to ignore certain namespaces or some other cunning way around this? 
If I could say that all http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude namespaced
nodes are valid anywhere (and then should be validated with another
schema for bonus points) then that would be great.

Cheers,
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Dave Pawson | 9 Jun 2008 17:18
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Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

2008/6/9 rossburton42 <ross <at> burtonini.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using nxml-mode to validate my Docbook and so on as I write, but
> I've hit a small annoyance.  In my current document I'm using XInclude
> to bring in source code snippets but nxml is for obviously reasons
> marking <xi:include .../> as invalid.  Is there a way to get nxml-mode
> to ignore certain namespaces or some other cunning way around this?

Not really.

I use it by having a top level (book or article)
which is nearly empty, and uses xinclude.

Then I write chapters (or sections) which validate OK
using nxml-mode+docbook with an appropriate start element?

That works.

Then I use ant to expand xincludes and validate the temporary
full document.

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rossburton42 | 9 Jun 2008 17:32
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Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

--- In emacs-nxml-mode <at> yahoogroups.com, "Dave Pawson" > Not really.
> 
> I use it by having a top level (book or article)
> which is nearly empty, and uses xinclude.
> 
> Then I write chapters (or sections) which validate OK
> using nxml-mode+docbook with an appropriate start element?
> 
> That works.
> 
> Then I use ant to expand xincludes and validate the temporary
> full document.

Shame.  I'm using it to pull in source code so I don't need two
copies, so that approach doesn't really work.

Ross

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Daniel Colascione | 9 Jun 2008 17:45

Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

On Monday 09 June 2008, rossburton42 wrote:
> I'm using nxml-mode to validate my Docbook and so on as I write, but
> I've hit a small annoyance.  In my current document I'm using XInclude
> to bring in source code snippets but nxml is for obviously reasons
> marking <xi:include .../> as invalid.  Is there a way to get nxml-mode
> to ignore certain namespaces or some other cunning way around this?
> If I could say that all http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude namespaced
> nodes are valid anywhere (and then should be validated with another
> schema for bonus points) then that would be great.

The only way to do that currently is to modify the Relax NG schema.

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Dave Pawson | 9 Jun 2008 17:48
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Re: Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

2008/6/9 rossburton42 <ross <at> burtonini.com>:

>> Then I use ant to expand xincludes and validate the temporary
>> full document.
>
> Shame.  I'm using it to pull in source code so I don't need two
> copies, so that approach doesn't really work.

The expanded copy is only used for validation,
then dumped.

I work on the 'chunks'.

It does work. I've written quite a bit of docbook
that way.

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