Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?

On 28/02/2011 3:04 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> Cthun<cthun_117 <at> qmail.net.au>  writes:
>
>> On 28/02/2011 4:53 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> Stefan Monnier<monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>   writes:
>>>
>>>>>> With me, it nowadays usually involves a git repository.  I used CVS
>>>>>> previously, but that is less convenient.
>>>>> You're insane.
>
> I should say _that_ would be an unsubstantiated claim.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Kastrup?

> Though being insane might have something to do with Lisp.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Kastrup? It is well known that it is all-caps languages like 
COBOL and BASIC that cause brain damage, Kastrup.

>>> I do this for work I do quite by myself (like theses and articles).
>>
>> How odd.
>
> Not at all.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with Lisp, Kastrup?

Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?

>
> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
> with Lisp, Kastrup?

Can you be more specific? In what way was it unsubstantiated? How was
it erroneous? What made it classic?

Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?

On 28/02/2011 7:14 PM, TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
>>
>> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
>> with Lisp, Kastrup?
>
> Can you be more specific? In what way was it unsubstantiated? How was
> it erroneous? What made it classic?

What do your four questions have to do with Lisp, Dutchman?

Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?

On Feb 28, 4:16 pm, Cthun <cthun_... <at> qmail.net.au> wrote:
> On 28/02/2011 7:14 PM, TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
>
>
>
> >> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
> >> with Lisp, Kastrup?
>
> > Can you be more specific? In what way was it unsubstantiated? How was
> > it erroneous? What made it classic?
>
> What do your four questions have to do with Lisp, Dutchman?

What does your one question have to do with Lisp, Cthun?

RE: Sorting Order of Completion Candidates

> While writing some code to index my notes I have run into a problem.
> I have a carefully crafted list of keywords sorted in order of 
> frequency. (When assigning new keywords I want to consider the most 
> frequent keywords first.) However
> (completing-read "Prompt: " '("a" "c" "b"))  gives me
> 
>  Possible completions are:
>  a
>  b
>  c
> 
> whereas I want
> 
>  Possible completions are:
>  a
>  c
>  b
> 
> If there is no option or hook, if guess I could just modify the 
> *Completions* buffer. Any hints how/where it is set up?

1. Stefan can probably steer you as to how to do what you want with a recent
version of vanilla Emacs.

2. An alternative is to use Icicles.  Then all you need to do is bind
`icicle-sort-comparer' to nil around the call to `completing-read'.  A nil value
means do not sort.  (You can also customize `icicle-sort-comparer' to use any
default sort order you like.)

You can also change sort orders on the fly anytime during completion, and that

Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?

TheFlyingDutchman <zzbbaadd <at> aol.com> writes:

    On Feb 28, 4:16 pm, Cthun <cthun_... <at> qmail.net.au> wrote:

    > What do your four questions have to do with Lisp, Dutchman?

    What does your one question have to do with Lisp, Cthun?

Does he speak this way in real life??  Astonishing.

F2

If I do "ctrl-h k <f2>"   I get "f2-"  in the message area, as if
Emacs is waiting for me to press another key. If I set a command to
<f2> with global-set-key and then hit the <f2> key, nothing happens.
If I again hit <f2> it tells me that "<f2> <f2> is undefined". It is
like <f2> is set to be used in a key combination. How can I get rid of
that and just assign a single keypress to <f2>?

Mac OS X / Emacs 23.2.93; help needed with term window behaviour

Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?

On Mar 1, 4:31 am, Stefan Monnier <monn... <at> iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

> > I use nted
> > http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/nted/nted.xhtml
> > to enter music and I have a hell of a time versioning and diffing.
>
> Right: since this uses WYSIWYG you basically get the same problem: only
> nted can do the diff and merge-conflict display in a way that can make
> sense to the user.
> If you care about revision control, you're generally better off without
> WYSIWYG (I tend to think you're better off without it in any
> circumstance, but that's a different discussion .
>

How do you enter *and play* music textually??? I would sure like a
tool that does not make me go clicking all over to get notes entered.
Something like abc http://abc.sourceforge.net/ or lilypond.
But I need something that can do this http://vimeo.com/16894001/ and
allows me to change the score live in front of a (singing) class.  Do
you know of any??

In fact I have spent some time wondering what it would mean to add
emacs' scripting functionality to nted.  In short, we would start by
factorizing emacs into 2 parts:
1. the 'pure lisp' scripting glue -- things like car, cdr, defun, cond
setq etc
2. the buffers, characters, input-methods etc that are *text* editor
specific.

For music, 2' would be provided with something like nted and then 1
can be 'married' to 2' to get a scriptable music editor/player.

With a text editor there is a clear set of 'atoms'
- "a key that is typed"
- "a character that is displayed."

For music there is no such set (at least to me) -- its too
multidimensional with staves, voices, real time rendering with etc

> > For Emacs (and such) this may be the way to go and is welcome.
> > For git (and such) however it may be preferable to have generic diff/
> > merge plugin capability; specifically for 'xml-container' formats like
> > odt and docx  but also more generically.
>
> Versioning documents in formats like odt is indeed a different issue:
> for diffs and merges you don't want to do it at the line-level of
> course, but neither do you necessarily want to do it at the XML level
> itself: maybe automatic merging can be done at the XML level, but when
> conflicts or diffs need to be shown to users, they have to be shown in
> terms that the user can understand and most users have no idea about
> odt's underlying XML representation other than that it exists.  So you
> need something like OpenOffice to do the diff for you.

Thats why I said plugin capability.  SW like openoffice (or nted)
would know how to diff 2 docs or merge 3.  The revision control
system's plugin would present it the 2 or 3 docs to diff or merge --
what vc does for emacs.

Re: F2

TheFlyingDutchman <zzbbaadd <at> aol.com> writes:

> If I do "ctrl-h k <f2>"   I get "f2-"  in the message area, as if
> Emacs is waiting for me to press another key. If I set a command to
> <f2> with global-set-key and then hit the <f2> key, nothing happens.
> If I again hit <f2> it tells me that "<f2> <f2> is undefined". It is
> like <f2> is set to be used in a key combination. How can I get rid of
> that and just assign a single keypress to <f2>?

I don't know that you have to get rid of anything.
This works as an override for me:

(define-key global-map [(f2)] 'next-error)

Emacs 23.2.1.