Tom Hardy | 1 Aug 03:28 2002

Re: Broken threading [was: Unbelievable.]

In article <240720022348365027%planb <at>>, 
"J.B. Moreno" <planb <at>> writes:

> In article <m3fzy99j2f.fsf <at> defun.localdomain>,
>  Jesper Harder <harder <at>> wrote:

>> Thomas Yan <tyan <at>> writes:
> -snip-
>> > You don't have a problem with some mail programs that see a
>> References > header, but don't know what it is and therefore stick
>> it in the reply?
>> Ah, I see.  I haven't encountered that problem.
>> So what you probably want is to check if the message-id in
>> In-Reply-To is equal to the last message-id in References -- and if
>> it isn't then use the one from In-Reply-To instead.

> That might work -- then again it might not.  I once did some local
> gatewaying in order to read a mailing list with a threaded view, and
> the only thing that was reliable was that programs repeated their
> mistakes.  You are describing a "generic" method, which did indeed
> work most of the time, but I had to have a whole bunch of special
> cases (it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some of them were
> developed by throwing darts to see what they should do),

I thought I would look at cases just for fun.  Tell me if I am all
wet or otherwise wasting my time.

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Ronald Fischer | 1 Aug 08:36 2002

Re: Gnus can not connect to server

Ronald Fischer <rovf <at>> writes:

> For example, how could I create the server buffer automatically
> when gnus starts?
>         (defun (conf-gnus) "gnus with server buffer" 
>                 ; ???? what to put here????)
>         (add-hook 'gnus-started-hook 'conf-gnus)

Sorry, I should have taken more care about correct syntax here. Well,
let's rephrase:

So far, I came to the solution to put into .gnus a function

(defun mk-gnus-server-buffer () "Add *Server* buffer to gnus"

The idea is that this function could create a server-buffer if
automatically. I could then put it into gnus-started-hook to have the
server buffer created.

Interestingly, the save-excursion does not work as expected.  From the
documentation, I concluded that it should save the current buffer, and
restore it in the end; but when mk-gnus-server-buffer is executed,
Gnus switches to the server buffer and stays there, and I have to
switch back manually.
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Ronald Fischer | 1 Aug 08:43 2002

Re: Meta-Down doesn't work

Adam Fabian <afabian <at>> writes:

> When I press alt-down, emacs (from what C-h alt-down tells me) reads
> only the down key; no meta.  

When you do from the Linux commandline a

  xmodmap -pm

what do you get? Maybe "Alt" is not properly defined as a meta key.

> When I use ESC <down>, emacs says ESC ESC
> [ b is undefined.  And meta-up seems to get my some message from the
> kernel about inittab. 

This is weird. Could you give more information about this kernel
message thing?

Also, when you do a M-x view-lossage, what keys do you find recorded
there after you have used alt-down and alt-up?


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not guaranteed to live longer than 1 month after the article was
posted. My permanent address is (after deleting the XXX): 
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Adrian Aichner | 1 Aug 08:43 2002

Re: converting group from nnml to nnfolder

>>>>> "karra" == Sriram Karra <karra <at>> writes:

    karra> What is the cleanest way to migrate all articles in a group to a
    karra> different backend while retaining all marks and stuff.

B r runs `gnus-summary-respool-article'
in the summary buffer.

I can't remember whether this retains all marks or not.

    karra> -Sriram.

    karra> -- 
    karra> All's well that ends.


Adrian Aichner
 mailto:adrian <at>

Sriram Karra | 1 Aug 12:44 2002

converting group from nnml to nnfolder

I have a email group that I thought would benefit from being a
nnfolder rather than its current nnml backend.  So I typed G c and
changed its backend to nnfolder+private.

A new group was created in addition to the old nnml+private and new
articles are then shown in both the groups.  How do I delete the
nnml+private group completely from the face of the earth.

Moreover, when I enter the nnfolder+private: group with only one
message (say, via C-u SPC 1 RET) and then subsequently quit the group,
I get the following error.

|   file-name-directory(nil)
|   nnfolder-save-buffer()
|   nnfolder-request-expire-articles((684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701
702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730
731 732 733 ...) "const-ios" "private" nil)
|   gnus-request-expire-articles((684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702
703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731
732 733 ...) "nnfolder+private:const-ios")
|   gnus-summary-expire-articles()
|   run-hooks(gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook)
|   apply(run-hooks gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook)
|   gnus-run-hooks(gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook)
|   gnus-summary-exit()
|   call-interactively(gnus-summary-exit)

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Vasily Korytov | 1 Aug 19:20 2002

Re: Drafts

>>>>> "EB" == Eric Boese-Wolf writes:

 EB> After I posted an article, there
 EB> opened a new group called nndraft:drafts,
 EB> I tried to kill this group several times
 EB> with several commands. But if I restart
 EB> gnus it keeps popping up. 

 EB> How can I get rid of that group?

Simple answer is: don't think of it.

Every message, you edit, is a temp. file in this group; this allows
drafting of messages (sometimes I compose a message one day and finally
modify and send it another one) and improves error recovery (auto-saving
is nice, if you have power failures from time to time).


                     With respect, Vasily Korytov

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Mahesh Padmanabhan | 1 Aug 19:48 2002

B-del -> del

How does one map the B-del key to the Delete key within the GNUS
keymap ( i.e. without affecting any other keymap in Emacs ) ?


Mahesh Padmanabhan


Replace nospam with prana to email me.

Paul Jarc | 1 Aug 20:37 2002

Re: Question about HTML emails (revisited)

jesseh <at> (Jesse F. Hughes) wrote:
> jesseh <at> (Jesse F. Hughes) writes:
>> prj <at> (Paul Jarc) writes:
>>> jesseh <at> (Jesse F. Hughes) wrote:
>>>>  (mm-automatic-display
>>>>   (cons "text/html" mm-automatic-display))
>>> I don't think this will work.  mm-automatic-display will be set to the
>>> literal value '("text/html" . mm-automatic-display);

Actually, the more sensible literal expectation would be the list
'(cons "text/html" mm-automatic-display); i.e., both cons and m-a-d
would be treated as uninterpreted symbols.

> The problem is that the commands below set the default value of
> mm-automatic-display to nil.  This is where you run into troubles.
>>> (require 'gnus-sum)
>>> (add-to-list 'gnus-newsgroup-variables 'mm-automatic-display)
>>> (add-to-list 'gnus-newsgroup-variables 'mm-discouraged-alternatives)

I'd say that's a bug, but you could probably work around it with
something like this:
(setq gnus-parameters
      `(("" ;; explicitly specify the defaults
         (mm-automatic-display ,mm-automatic-display)
         (mm-discouraged-alternatives ,mm-discouraged-alternatives))
        ("\\`nnslashdot[+:]" ;; override for nnslashdot groups
          ,(cons "text/html" mm-automatic-display))
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Kai Gro├čjohann | 2 Aug 12:19 2002

Re: Archiving to an Exchange server via IMAP

maierh <at> writes:

> What means WIBNI Gnus? I don't understand this term.

WIBNI = Wouldn't it be nice if


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Adrian Kubala | 2 Aug 15:34 2002

problems expiring articles

Sometimes when I leave a group, it says "Selecting deleted or
nonexistent buffer" and refuses to leave. I know this is because it's
trying to expire an article, so I go, I enter the archive group where
it's expiring to, I leave come back to the first group, and it has no

In other words, it seems to think the archive group has an open
buffer even though it doesn't...