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NAKAJI Hiroyuki | 1 Jun 2008 01:59
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Re: cannot start Gnus with idna.el

Thank you for the comment.

After "make maintainer-clean" in emacs/lisp directory, I successfully
bootstrapped the latest emacs. And then I'm trying this problem again.

>>>>> In <v9y75z98of.fsf <at> marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> 
>>>>>	Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> wrote:

> > The "while" in idna-to-ascii-response() seems infinite loop.
> >
> > (defun idna-to-ascii-response ()
> >   (while (and (eq (process-status idna-to-ascii-process) 'run)
> >               (null idna-to-ascii-response))
> >     (accept-process-output idna-to-ascii-process 1))
> >   idna-to-ascii-response)

> Isn't this a bug in `idna.el' then?  Cc-ing Simon therefore.

I'm not sure.

> > The idna-to-ascii-response is called from message.el and the failure
> > itself occurs in
> >
> > (idna-to-ascii "räksmörgås")

> Does it mean, that you can reproduce the problem when evaluating this
> expression after starting "emacs -Q"?

No.
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Thomas Christensen | 2 Jun 2008 13:35

Using CC while using Gmane

Hi,

I use mailing lists through Gmane NNTP gateway.  Some times I would like
to reply (follow up) and at the same time CC the author through SMTP.

Can someone tell me which is the natural way to go about this.

	Thomas
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Reiner Steib | 2 Jun 2008 19:35
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Re: Using CC while using Gmane

On Mon, Jun 02 2008, Thomas Christensen wrote:

> I use mailing lists through Gmane NNTP gateway.  Some times I would like
> to reply (follow up) and at the same time CC the author through SMTP.
>
> Can someone tell me which is the natural way to go about this.

I think the following message should answer you question.

,----[ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/11058/focus=11060 ]
| From: Reiner Steib
| Subject: Re: How to reply on posts on gmane?
| Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
| Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:11:29 +0200
| Message-ID: <v97idf7bim.fsf <at> marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
|
| On Tue, May 27 2008, Seweryn Kokot wrote:
| 
| > I'm subscribed to many mailing lists by gmane. So far I have been
| > replying to posts with 'F' (follow-up), but on some group someone
| > asked me to reply to him directly and send cc to mailing list. I've
| > done S W or S V and my message didn't show up on that mailing list.
| 
| When I do `S W' on your article, I get:
| 
| | To: Seweryn Kokot <s.kokot <at> po.opole.pl>
| | Cc: info-gnus-english <at> gnu.org
| 
| I.e. on sending this message, Gnus will send two mails.  One to the
| author (you) and one to the list info-gnus-english.
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Thomas Christensen | 2 Jun 2008 20:07

Re: Using CC while using Gmane

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> writes:

> I think the following message should answer you question.

This implies that Gnus will use the SMTP transport too if a Cc or To
header is present in the message.

You will be the test ;)

	Thomas
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Stephen Eglen | 2 Jun 2008 20:29
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Re: Small change to message-tab to allow completion of mail aliases


> We need to update message.texi (info "(message)Mail Aliases") as
> well.  Stephen, could you provide a patch, please?

sure -- attached.  Sorry for delay; it only handles the Emacs case, I'm
sorry that I can't help with XEmacs, but it looks like only mailabbrev
is supported anyway currently within GNUS.

*** /tmp/ediff8624LpA	Mon Jun  2 19:26:51 2008
--- /data/notch/PUBLIC/sje30/NOBACKUP/compiles/emacs/doc/misc/message.texi	Mon Jun  2 19:26:28 2008
***************
*** 1273,1279 ****

  After adding lines like this to your  <at> file{~/.mailrc} file, you should
  be able to just write  <at> samp{lmi} in the  <at> code{To} or  <at> code{Cc} (and so
! on) headers and press  <at> kbd{SPC} to expand the alias.

  No expansion will be performed upon sending of the message---all
  expansions have to be done explicitly.
--- 1273,1281 ----

  After adding lines like this to your  <at> file{~/.mailrc} file, you should
  be able to just write  <at> samp{lmi} in the  <at> code{To} or  <at> code{Cc} (and so
! on) headers and press  <at> kbd{SPC} to expand the alias.  Completion of mail
! aliases is also available, so if  <at> samp{lmi} is the only alias beginning
! with l, then typing  <at> samp{l} followed by  <at> kbd{TAB} will expand the alias.

  No expansion will be performed upon sending of the message---all
  expansions have to be done explicitly.
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David | 3 Jun 2008 16:55
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What does gnus-group-get-new-news do with arg=nil?

I tried to figure out what gnus-group-get-new-news actually does without
further arguments and with permanent levels unset, and I simply don't
get it. Please also note that the doc-string carefully avoids this
question. My impression was that gnus-activate-level would be used, but
it doesn't seem to be that easy.

The question boils down to what gnus-get-unread-articles does without
arguments, i.e. level=nil. What I'd like in this case is that every
group with a level greater than gnus-activate-level should be completely
ignored, but this doesn't happen. If level is nil, 'active' is never set
to 'ignore in the following code:

(if (and level
       ;; If `active' is nil that means the group has
       ;; never been read, the group should be marked
       ;; as having never been checked (see below).
       active
       (> (gnus-info-level info) level))
   ;; Don't check groups of which levels are higher
   ;; than the one that a user specified.
   (setq active 'ignore))))

Therefore, later in the code, gnus-get-unread-articles-in-group is
called, even for foreign groups with a level greater than gnus-activate-group:

(cond
   ((eq active 'ignore)
    ;; Don't do anything.
    )
    (active
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Michael Piotrowski | 3 Jun 2008 19:00
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Re: Mail messages not queued properly when unplugged.

On 2008-05-30, Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka <at> jpl.org> wrote:

>>>>>> Malcolm Purvis wrote:
>> Today I upgraded to the latest version of No Gnus in CVS from a version
>> about amonth old.  I'm now getting mail messages being deleted when
>> being sent unplugged rather than being queued.
>
> Does it still happen even now?  I tried No Gnus and XEmacs 21.5,
> both are the latest, and had no problem.

For me it still happens with today's CVS (and XEmacs 21.4.21).

>> The minibuffer messages are:
>
>> Reading active file via nnnil...
>> Deleting article /Users/malcolmp/News/drafts/queue/1 in nndraft:drafts...
>> Sending...done
>> Wrote /Users/malcolmp/News/drafts/queue/1
>> Sending via mail...
>> Sending...
>
> Wasn't the file name "drafts/drafts/1", not "drafts/queue/1" ?

No, at least for me.  I get exactly the same behavior:

  Deleting article /home/mxp/News/drafts/queue/1 in nndraft:drafts...
  Sending...done
  Wrote /home/mxp/Mail/archive/sent-mail/2008-06
  Wrote /home/mxp/News/drafts/queue/1
  Sending via mail...
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Katsumi Yamaoka | 4 Jun 2008 11:00
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Re: Mail messages not queued properly when unplugged.

>>>>> Michael Piotrowski wrote:

>> Does it still happen even now?  I tried No Gnus and XEmacs 21.5,
>> both are the latest, and had no problem.

> For me it still happens with today's CVS (and XEmacs 21.4.21).

>>> The minibuffer messages are:
>>
>>> Reading active file via nnnil...
>>> Deleting article /Users/malcolmp/News/drafts/queue/1 in nndraft:drafts...
>>> Sending...done
>>> Wrote /Users/malcolmp/News/drafts/queue/1
>>> Sending via mail...
>>> Sending...

Oops!  I could reproduce it today with XEmacs and even with Emacs.
(What did I miss last week?)  Anyway now I believe there is
something wrong in Gnus.  I'll investigate it before very long...
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Michael Piotrowski | 4 Jun 2008 14:01
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Re: Mail messages not queued properly when unplugged.

On 2008-06-04, Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka <at> jpl.org> wrote:

> Oops!  I could reproduce it today with XEmacs and even with Emacs.
> (What did I miss last week?)  Anyway now I believe there is
> something wrong in Gnus.

So do I :-)  The problem appeared shortly before the No Gnus v0.10
release.  So I'm still using an earlier version.

> I'll investigate it before very long...

Thank you very much!

Greetings

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Reiner Steib | 4 Jun 2008 20:20
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Re: Mail messages not queued properly when unplugged.

On Wed, Jun 04 2008, Michael Piotrowski wrote:

> The problem appeared shortly before the No Gnus v0.10 release.  So
> I'm still using an earlier version.

How short before?  Does it appear in No Gnus 0.8?  Could you pin-point
it to a particular date (by trying cvs co -D DATE ...)?

Bye, Reiner.
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