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Frank Schmitt | 1 Dec 2002 10:46
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Re: Specify total length of subject in summary line

kai.grossjohann <at> uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Some people might like to put something to the right of the subject.
> But in order to look good, the thread indentation should be taken
> into account.
>
> So wouldn't it be nice if there was a way to (conveniently) specify a
> total width for %I plus %s?
>
> Maybe a specifier X that includes %I and %s?  Then people can write
> "%-50,50X" to get what they want.  Or something.

There is a way already, try this:

(setq gnus-summary-line-format ":%U%R %B %s %-60=|%4L |%-20,20f |%&user-date; \n")

resulting in 

 .   \->  ...                                              |  36 |ShengHuo ZHU         |Sat  2:01 
: .     \->  ...                                            |  73 |John A. Martin       |Sat  6:07 
: .       \->  ...                                          |  13 |Kai Großjohann       |Sat 18:33 
: .         \->  ...                                        |  42 |John A. Martin       |Sat 21:51 
: .           \->  ...                                      |  14 |Kai Großjohann       |Sat 22:50 
: .    Re: Error while entering an nnimap group             |  29 |Kai Großjohann       |Fri 16:59 
: .    Re: gnus-inhibit-mime-unbuttonizing is useful but und|  14 |Kai Großjohann       |Fri 17:20 
: .    Re: UTF-8 breakage                                   |  25 |Matthias Andree      |Fri 13:44 
:R. >  Re: Can't start CVS gnus.                            |  16 |Matthias Andree      |Fri 22:54 
: . \->  ...                                                |  13 |Kai Großjohann       |Sat 18:31 
: .    Improve your penis size in just weeks                |  53 |Brent Bartis         | 5:01 
:R.    Specify total length of subject in summary line      |  14 |Kai Großjohann       |Sat 19:20
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Reiner Steib | 1 Dec 2002 14:11
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Re: UTF-8 breakage

On Fri, Nov 29 2002, Matthias Andree wrote:

> Matthias Andree <ma <at> dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
[...]
>> (require 'ucs-tables)

I think (CMIIW) that you need either...

>> (ucs-unify-8859)

... or those two:

>> (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode t)
>> (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode t)

> It turned out that I also had to add and require utf-8 recently for
> reasons I'm not going to investigate.
>
> Thanks to Reiner Steib for his document about Gnus UTF-8 and ISO-8859-15
> unification for just mentioning utf-8 .-)

With Emacs 21.[1-3], you also need a newer version of utf-8.el and
load it with (load-library "utf-8"), see [1]:

| The version of `utf-8.el' shipped with 21.1 or 21.2 is _not_ sufficient.
| Moreover (because the code of `utf-8.el' is dumped into the emacs binary
| at build time), it's _not_ enough to replace `utf-8.el*' in the directory
| share/emacs/21.?/lisp/international by the new ones.

Bye, Reiner.
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Simon Josefsson | 1 Dec 2002 20:13

Re: UTF-8 breakage

Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib <at> gmx.net> writes:

> [1] <URL: http://my.gnus.org/Members/rsteib/howto_unify/>

That seems useful.  Maybe it should say it is for Gnus 5.8 and Gnus
5.9?  I think Oort is supposed to unify at least across ISO-8859-*
automatically when possible (which included the example on the page).
But I don't use this often, so maybe it doesn't work any
longer...  let's see:

räksmörgås
r€ksm€rg€s
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Lloyd Zusman | 1 Dec 2002 20:44
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Re: UTF-8 breakage

Simon Josefsson <jas <at> extundo.com> writes:

> Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib <at> gmx.net> writes:
>
>> [1] <URL: http://my.gnus.org/Members/rsteib/howto_unify/>
>
> That seems useful.  Maybe it should say it is for Gnus 5.8 and Gnus
> 5.9?  I think Oort is supposed to unify at least across ISO-8859-*
> automatically when possible (which included the example on the page).
> But I don't use this often, so maybe it doesn't work any
> longer...  let's see:
>
> räksmörgås
> r€ksm€rg€s

Well, I'm running under XEmacs 21.4.8, and I don't get the prompt that's
described in the web page.  Also, the vowels show up just fine.  So far,
so good.  However, for me, these vowels are being displayed in an
oversized, bolded font.

I can't find any faces that control this, and I'd like these letters to
show up non-bolded, and at the same size as the rest of the letters.

Any ideas as to how I can accomplish this?

Thanks in advance.

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Kai Großjohann | 1 Dec 2002 21:48
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Re: UTF-8 breakage

Lloyd Zusman <ljz <at> asfast.com> writes:

> Well, I'm running under XEmacs 21.4.8, and I don't get the prompt that's
> described in the web page.  Also, the vowels show up just fine.  So far,
> so good.  However, for me, these vowels are being displayed in an
> oversized, bolded font.

In Emacs, the key word to look for in the documentation is `font set'
(or `fontset' or `font-set'...).

I'm using the GNU intlfonts package, which sadly does not contain a
latin-9 font, so latin-9 characters always look somewhat odd in my
Emacs.

Does anyone happen to know a font which looks nice and has the same
size as -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso8859-1?
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Simon Josefsson | 1 Dec 2002 21:56

Re: UTF-8 breakage

Lloyd Zusman <ljz <at> asfast.com> writes:

>> räksmörgås
>> r€ksm€rg€s
>
> Well, I'm running under XEmacs 21.4.8, and I don't get the prompt that's
> described in the web page.  Also, the vowels show up just fine.  So far,
> so good.  However, for me, these vowels are being displayed in an
> oversized, bolded font.

That indicates a missing font for the character.  Try

apt-get install `apt-cache search font|grep ^xfonts|awk '{print $1}'|sort|uniq|grep -v xfonts-bochs`

or something to that effect.
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Reiner Steib | 1 Dec 2002 22:31
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Re: UTF-8 breakage

On Sun, Dec 01 2002, Simon Josefsson wrote:

> Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib <at> gmx.net> writes:
>
>> [1] <URL: http://my.gnus.org/Members/rsteib/howto_unify/>
>
> That seems useful.  Maybe it should say it is for Gnus 5.8 and Gnus
> 5.9?  

I didn't mention (and test) Gnus 5.8.8, because I though that it's not
recommended to use Emacs 21.x together with Gnus 5.8.8 (as Gnus 5.9 is
shipped with Emacs 21.x).

> I think Oort is supposed to unify at least across ISO-8859-*
> automatically when possible [...]
> räksmörgås
> r€ksm€rg€s

When I *dis*able unify-8859-on-{de,en}coding-mode and add a `ß'
(Latin-1) replying to your message, I get utf-8 (checked with
`mml-preview') instead of Latin-9.

In the German Gnus newsgroup, XEmacs users reported that it's possible
to get unification (with latin-unity) with XEmacs 21.4 + Oort but
_not_ with Gnus 5.8.8.

Bye, Reiner.
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Jesper Harder | 1 Dec 2002 23:23
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Re: UTF-8 breakage

Simon Josefsson <jas <at> extundo.com> writes:

> Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib <at> gmx.net> writes:
>
>> [1] <URL: http://my.gnus.org/Members/rsteib/howto_unify/>
>
> That seems useful.  Maybe it should say it is for Gnus 5.8 and Gnus
> 5.9?  I think Oort is supposed to unify at least across ISO-8859-*
> automatically when possible 

I didn't work for me with latin-3.  I needed the updated version of
utf-8.el to send latin-3 as utf-8.
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Matthias Andree | 1 Dec 2002 23:54
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Re: Can't start CVS gnus.

kai.grossjohann <at> uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Sometimes, version numbers are necessary.  But one should try to do
> without, first.

Well, yes.

> Do you think more than a handfull of tests are necessary?

I cannot judge that. My Lisp experience is minimal. I see it uses a
prefix-notation, and that's about all I know.

Nonetheless, it'd be useful if Gnus figured when mm-util for one was
outdated and forced a reload of the version that shipped with it.

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Simon Josefsson | 2 Dec 2002 01:03

Re: UTF-8 breakage

Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib <at> gmx.net> writes:

> On Sun, Dec 01 2002, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
>> Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib <at> gmx.net> writes:
>>
>>> [1] <URL: http://my.gnus.org/Members/rsteib/howto_unify/>
>>
>> That seems useful.  Maybe it should say it is for Gnus 5.8 and Gnus
>> 5.9?  
>
> I didn't mention (and test) Gnus 5.8.8, because I though that it's not
> recommended to use Emacs 21.x together with Gnus 5.8.8 (as Gnus 5.9 is
> shipped with Emacs 21.x).

Ah.  I was thinking of XEmacs users, but perhaps the page was about
Emacs only.

>> I think Oort is supposed to unify at least across ISO-8859-*
>> automatically when possible [...]
>> räksmörgås
>> r€ksm€rg€s
>
> When I *dis*able unify-8859-on-{de,en}coding-mode and add a `ß'
> (Latin-1) replying to your message, I get utf-8 (checked with
> `mml-preview') instead of Latin-9.

Do you instruct Emacs or Gnus to prefer UTF-8 anywhere?  I think the
unification is to the preferred charset.
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