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SL Baur | 1 Sep 1998 01:02
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Re: MULE primer

[cc'ed to xemacs-mule]
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes in ding <at> gnus.org:

> What is *the* way to learn about all this MULE stuff?

For detailed technical documentation about charsets, JIS, etc. there's 
the O'Reilly Blowfish book -- Understanding Japanese Information
Processing.  It makes very dry reading except perhaps for Chapter 5 -- 
"Japanese Input" which does give some clues how to make things work.

Unfortunately, unless you can read Japanese there doesn't appear to be 
any documentation.  I learned how to get around by trying things out
and asking questions.  It also helped that I had to build and install
the required extra packages -- I have Canna, Wnn4.2, Wnn6 (courtesy of 
OMRON), SJ3, and Kinput2 (an XIM server that simultaneously can
connect to all of the above backends) installed on my development
machine.  They all work slightly differently, of course. :-P

English documentation for XEmacs is/was being worked on, but the
person who was doing it got as far as a very close draft then dropped
away :-(.

A cheap pocket tourist's dictionary is good enough to get some examples
to type in.

> I have a distinct feeling I must be misunderstanding something basic
> here.  I mean, here's (日本語) some Japanese text, so I must be
> doing something right, but I still don't understand it.

I'm not sure where to begin.  Assuming some basic knowledge of
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Andrew J Cosgriff | 1 Sep 1998 02:24
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

--Multipart_Tue_Sep__1_10:24:50_1998-1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann <at> amaunet.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

>>>>> On 01 Sep 1998, Andrew J Cosgriff said:
ajc> Yep, very nice.  Now all I need to do is make TrueType fonts
ajc> work for it so it doesn't pick a different font for the
ajc> non-english characters, right in the middle of a word - I've
ajc> been using xfstt which does only one encoding type at a time :(

Kai> I'm happy with the GNU intlfonts package.  Some no-frills fonts, but
Kai> beautiful in their simplicity.

Sure, they work ok, but it's aesthetically displeasing to have
font-changes in the middle of a word like so :

--Multipart_Tue_Sep__1_10:24:50_1998-1
Content-Type: image/png
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pgnus-0.9-hn.png"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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Andrew J Cosgriff | 1 Sep 1998 02:36
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Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.9 is released

>>>>> "ajc" == Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc <at> bing.wattle.id.au> writes:

ajc> I'll just have to try and make xfsft work for me some time, I
ajc> guess.  Unless Mr xfstt can make it serve multiple encodings at
ajc> once...

As uaual, I spoke too soon - it turns out I can do (for example) :

xfstt --encoding iso8859-1,iso8859-2

(I thought I could only list one encoding type there)

...and it all works groovily.

Yay !

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Karl Kleinpaste | 1 Sep 1998 02:36
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p0.12 errors out on 7bit,base64

Pterodactyl Gnus v0.12
XEmacs 20.4 "Emerald" [Lucid] (i386-pc-linux) of Sun May 31 1998 on threepwood.idb.hist.no
200 news.jprc.com InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.7.2 08-Dec-1997 ready (posting ok).

A recent message from Andrew Cosgriff (Message-Id:
<rui1zpw1xyl.fsf <at> goaway.cc.monash.edu.au>) caused p0.12 to choke:

Signaling: (error "Can't decode encoding 7bit, 7bit, base64")
  signal(error ("Can't decode encoding 7bit, 7bit, base64"))
  cerror("Can't decode encoding %s" 7bit\,\ 7bit\,\ base64)
  apply(cerror ("Can't decode encoding %s" 7bit\,\ 7bit\,\ base64))
  error("Can't decode encoding %s" 7bit\,\ 7bit\,\ base64)
  mm-decode-body(US-ASCII 7bit\,\ 7bit\,\ base64)
  gnus-article-decode-charset()
  run-hooks(gnus-article-decode-charset)
  apply(run-hooks gnus-article-decode-charset)
  gnus-run-hooks(gnus-article-display-hook)
  gnus-article-prepare(18074 nil)
  gnus-summary-display-article(18074)
  gnus-summary-next-page(nil)
  call-interactively(gnus-summary-next-page)

I thought perhaps there was a problem with there being two
"Content-Transfer-Encoding" headers, so I edited one of them out of
the message and tried again, but it errors out the same way with
"Can't decode encoding 7bit, base64".

My XEmacs 20.4 is the RedHat-contributed *rpm, mule-less.
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Alan Shutko | 1 Sep 1998 03:10
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Re: MULE primer

>>>>> "M" == Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i <at> cs.cmu.edu> writes:

M> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

>> I mean, here's ($(BF|K\8l(B) some Japanese text, so I must be doing
>> something right, but I still don't understand it.

M> Well, you must be doing something right, because I too can receive
M> and read the Japanese txt.

Not necessarily.  I can see it fine, and all I have is the
decode-quoted-unreadable on an old gnus!  

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Justin Sheehy | 1 Sep 1998 03:47
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Re: For lack of content...

Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i <at> cs.cmu.edu> writes:

> (BTW, is there a good way in Gnus to do forwards of other articles in
> replies to other articles, or cites from multiple articles?)

I tend to just process mark them all, making sure that the one I'm
actually replying to is the first one marked.  Then, R or F comes
close enough to what I need.

-Justin
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webmaster | 1 Sep 1998 07:27
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ANNOUNCE: new ding web-archive

A web-browsable and searchable archive of the ding mailing list is 
now available through the Gnus website.

<URL:http://www.gnus.org/list-archives/ding/>

Currently, it is automatically updated once per day.  Please 
direct any suggestions or comments on the archive to me.

Enjoy,

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Rolf Marvin B|e Lindgren | 1 Sep 1998 08:49
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message-mail => /dev/null


for some time now, and I don't know when it started, e-mails sent by
message-mail are lost, while e-mails sent by the default GNU Emacs mail
mode are _not_. 

any clues?  any reasons why? 

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Sep 1998 10:20
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Re: MULE primer

Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i <at> cs.cmu.edu> writes:

> > And the XEmacs and Emacs MULEs are subtly and not-so-subtly
> > different, in that the XEmacs stuff works and the Emacs stuff
> > doesn't.  (Well.)
> 
> Can you be more specific on what doesn't "work"?

I just can't seem to get a handle on how things work.  If I eval
`(rfc2047-decode-string "=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCTVUybBsoQik=?=")' with
point in a unibyte buffer, then I get garbage, even if I don't intend
to insert the string.  If I'm in a multibyte buffer, things work.  So
it seems that if you want to have multibyte chars one place, you
almost have to force all buffers to be multibyte, just to make sure.
(Which is what those `set-buffer-multibyte' things that are littered
over Gnus now is all about.)

These things just *work* under XEmacs without having to think about
them. 

> Hmm...  The prereaders version that Alan Shutko mentioned is still at:
> etlport.etl.go.jp:/pub/mule/.notready/elisp.xtar.gz

Thanks; I'll have a look at it.

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Sep 1998 10:25
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Re: p0.12 errors out on 7bit,base64

Karl Kleinpaste <karl <at> jprc.com> writes:

> A recent message from Andrew Cosgriff (Message-Id:
> <rui1zpw1xyl.fsf <at> goaway.cc.monash.edu.au>) caused p0.12 to choke:
> 
> Signaling: (error "Can't decode encoding 7bit, 7bit, base64")

Yup.  Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.13.

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