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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Jul 1998 01:29
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Re: I'm going insane

Dave Love <d.love <at> dl.ac.uk> writes:

> I no longer have 19.34, but seem able to use a de-MULEtilated 20.2
> with .newsrc.eld written by the pretest.

Do you have any group names with 8-bit characters?

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Eze Ogwuma | 1 Jul 1998 04:21

Re: Problem entering Foreign Groups

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Eze Ogwuma <typhoon <at> dircon.co.uk> writes:
> 
> > Actually what the "*server news.dircon.co.uk nntp *nntpd**" buffer
> > contains is a number of the articles from the group (rather than
> > headers) but by no means all of the articles.
> 
> If you repeat this several times, can you see a pattern to where Gnus
> stops? 

No but here's some more information.

I enabled "nntp-record-commands" so that I could see exactly what was
going on. I've seen many other reports of the same problem to you over 
the past few months so perhaps you could suggest these people do the
same. 

I attempted to enter a group that I haven't read for a while. At the
time I was plugged and I hadn't tried to download this group with
agent either as I don't normally read it.

The ~/News/agent/nntp/news.dircon.co.uk/agent.lib/active file contains
the correct article range for the group, "7192 7147". The nntp server
reports "211 41 7147 7192".

.newsrc-localhost.eld contains the articles that have been read, that
are cached or ticked.

((1 . 7094) (7096 . 70 99)) ((cache 6110 6113 (7083 . 7084) 7088)
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Karl Kleinpaste | 1 Jul 1998 04:26
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Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626 <at> stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:
>> Try the peculiar
>>  (user-mail-address
>>   '"foo <at> bar.com")

Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog <at> ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> I tried it and it does nothing, just like all the others.

I tried this, too.  Both adding an element via `G p' of
	(user-mail-address '"karl <at> justresearch.com")
or adding a SCORE entry
	(local (user-mail-address "karl <at> justresearch.com"))
cause a buffer-local instance of user-mail-address to be set to the
new string, which can be seen with `C-h v', but for some reason that
value does not propagate into the final message when sent.
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François Pinard | 1 Jul 1998 05:20
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Re: I'm going insane

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Dave Love <d.love <at> dl.ac.uk> writes:
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> > I no longer have 19.34, but seem able to use a de-MULEtilated 20.2
> > with .newsrc.eld written by the pretest.
> 
> Do you have any group names with 8-bit characters?

I once tried it, while pretesting what became 20.2, and this corrupted
both my nnmail spool, overviews, and `.newsrc.eld', to the point I had
much difficulty and a hard time to recover some good shape out of all this
(and also given I'm far from being familiar with Gnus internals :-).

If I were a good pretester, I know I should try it again, now, and report
problems patiently.  But I confess that I felt miserable enough, the first
time through, that I has been rather shy attempting another try since then.

On the other hand, I would *love* using well-written French names for
mailgroups, and I presume the same applies to a lot of people and languages.
If no one is courageous enough to jump, it will not happen.  Sigh!

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Lloyd Zusman | 1 Jul 1998 06:29

Automatically batch-decoding of all binaries in all groups.


In the past, I hack^H^H^H^Hcreated a rather convoluted system for
using gnus to automatically download and decode (in batch mode) all
binaries in a selected set of newsgroups.  There have been a number of
upgrades of gnus since then, and my hacks (some of which being manual
rewrites of certain gnus internal functions) don't work any more.

I would like to re-create my program, but this time around I'd like to
avoid a re-hacking spree if at all possible.  Therefore, I'd like to
know if anyone knows of a more straightforward way to do what I want
to do using standard features of gnus (5.6.20 or beyond).  Perhaps
there's some sort of batch decode facility that I missed in the
documentation ... ???

Here is more detail of what I'm trying to accomplish:

(1) I use `slrnpull' to create a news spool consisting only of
    certain binary-laden newsgroups.  I use that program's
    scoring facility to limit the download solely to encoded
    binaries that meet my personal criteria.  I periodically
    invoke all this via a cron job to keep this spool up to date.
    This part is already finished, and it works fine.

(2) I set up gnus using nnspool and pointing to this news spool.
    Therefore, the only newsgroups that gnus sees are those
    containing the encoded binaries that `slrnpull' has downloaded.
    This also is already done.

(3) This is the part I'm looking for suggestions on:  I want to
    run something in batch mode that loops through all newsgroups,
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Steinar Bang | 1 Jul 1998 09:58
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Re: I'm going insane

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> ifi.uio.no>:

> (And I wonder how that will turn out.  Splkt!  How come XEmacs' MULE
> never had these problems?)

Probably because most XEmacsen we see around these parts, are compiled 
without MULE support.
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Kai Grossjohann | 1 Jul 1998 11:36
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Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

>>>>> Karl Kleinpaste <karl <at> jprc.com> writes:

  > [...] Both adding an element via `G p' [...]  or adding a SCORE
  > entry [...]  cause a buffer-local instance of user-mail-address to
  > be set to the new string, which can be seen with `C-h v', but for
  > some reason that value does not propagate into the final message
  > when sent.

Wasn't there this problem that buffer-local variables in the summary
buffer weren't propagated to the message buffers?  Isn't there an item
on Lars' todo list about this?  I don't remember...

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Jul 1998 12:59
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Re: Problem entering Foreign Groups

Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog <at> localhost.localdomain> writes:

> ((1 . 7094) (7096 . 70 99)) ((cache 6110 6113 (7083 . 7084) 7088)
> (tick (7083 . 7084) 7088))

Well, this looks totally whacked out.

((1 . 7094) (7096 . 70 99))

That should be impossible.  Has a space snuck in between "70" and
"99"?

> Because of this these commands were called after the "group" command. 
> 
> >From *nntp-log*
> 
> 19980701T001727 news.dircon.co.uk XOVER 7095-7095
> 19980701T001727 news.dircon.co.uk XOVERVIEW 7095-7095
> 19980701T001727 news.dircon.co.uk HEAD 7095

[...]

> 423 no such article number in this group
> 423 no such article number in this group

[...]

> The headers for 7147-7192 are then downloaded. 
> 
> Then the program freezes.
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Eze Ogwuma | 1 Jul 1998 13:06
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Re: Problem entering Foreign Groups

Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog <at> ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

[...]

> > If you repeat this several times, can you see a pattern to where Gnus
> > stops? 
> 
> No but here's some more information.
> 
> I enabled "nntp-record-commands" so that I could see exactly what was
> going on.

[...]

Okay it's happened again.

Once again the information in the
~/News/agent/nntp/news.dircon.co.uk/agent.lib/active file is correct
but when Gnus sends the XOVER and XOVERVIEW commands the article range 
is wrong: 243710-243748. This is based on the information in the
.newsrc-localhost.eld file. The relevant part of the file is at the
bottom of this message.

Gnus then calls HEAD for every article starting with the non-existent
articles and continues to call HEAD for the articles in the group even
though it doesn't call XOVER for them.

It finally stops on article 244244 leaving the other headers
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Eze Ogwuma | 1 Jul 1998 13:17
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Re: Problem entering Foreign Groups

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog <at> localhost.localdomain> writes:
> 
> > ((1 . 7094) (7096 . 70 99)) ((cache 6110 6113 (7083 . 7084) 7088)
> > (tick (7083 . 7084) 7088))
> 
> Well, this looks totally whacked out.
> 
> ((1 . 7094) (7096 . 70 99))
> 
> That should be impossible.  Has a space snuck in between "70" and
> "99"?

No. Sorry about that. It occurred because I cut and pasted rather than
inserting the file. It should look like this:

((1 . 7094) (7096 . 7099)) ((cache 6110 6113 (7083 . 7084) 7088) (tick (7083 . 7084) 7088)) 

[...]

> It would seem that it reacts inappropriately to getting a lot of 423
> lines.  

But Gnus still downloads headers after all the 423 messages.

> Hm.  Yup: `nntp-next-result-arrived-p' looks highly bogus.  If
> we have gotten half an error line, Gnus would loop forever with point
> in the middle of that line.
>
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