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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 May 1997 14:04
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Re: what about web page for all the backends?

Richard Coleman <coleman <at> math.gatech.edu> writes:

> There appear to be plenty of Gnus backends out there.  Since
> many of these are not part of the standard distribution, maybe
> we can get a web page at the Gnus org, that lists all these.
> Maybe just a small blurb about their status (alpha, beta,
> whatever) and where to find them.

Yeah; I've been meaning to add a "contrib" page, but I haven't gotten
around to it yet.

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 May 1997 14:03
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Re: Download Gnus-button

Edvard Majakari <ed <at> a41a.otanner.ton.tut.fi> writes:

> Acknowledged. Err... do you have any suggestions for font? I have +300
> fonts installed, but I don't know what would be Gnuish :)

Me like Futura.  :-)

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Jason R. Mastaler | 1 May 1997 16:21

Re: gnus date suggestion

David Moore <dmoore <at> UCSD.EDU> writes:

> > Don't you think it would be more standard and helpful for gnus to
> > display the day of the week in the "Date" mail header by default?
> >
> > Gnus =       Date: 12 Jan 1997 13:17:58 -0500
> > MH/Mozilla = Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:06:24 -0500
> > ELM/Pine =   Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:08:29 -0500 (EST)
> 
> 
> 	Yeah, that might be nice, or more generally provide you with a
> format for displaying article times.  Gnus currently uses
> timezone-make-date-arpa-standard to generate those times, but that is
> only truly needed in message.el for outgoing messages.
> 
> 	It'd be great to be able to use format-time-string for this.
> And I just spent an hour trying to fake it out to do so, but it's not
> friendly enough.
> 
> 
> Thoughts & proposal:
> 
> 	Being able to do that helps a lot with strftime in general,
> which is why one should try to provide that functionality whenever
> you make strftime available to people.  And also the ability to tell it
> not to use 'localtime' on the time but 'gmtime'.  This is great, because
> you can then use strftime to display time deltas conviently also.  If
> something runs N seconds, but you want it in hour, minute, second format
> you just do (format-time-string "%H:%M:%S" (list 0 N) t).
>
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 May 1997 17:59
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Gnus v5.4.49 is released

Bug fixes.

Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/gnus.tar.gz> or 
"ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".  The patch is available as
<URL:http://www.gnus.org/patches/gnus-5.4.48-5.4.49.diff.gz>

ChangeLog since last release:

Thu May  1 17:56:05 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi <at> menja.ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus.el: Gnus v5.4.49 is released.

Sat Apr 19 16:13:03 1997  Erik Toubro Nielsen  <erik <at> ifad.dk>

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-exit): Returned to the wrong topic in
 	certain obscure cases if selected group occured in multiple
 	topics.

	* gnus-topic.el (gnus-topic-update-topic): Did not preserve point
 	on the same instance of a group if group occured in multiple
 	topics. Caused gnus-summary-exit to return to wrong topic if the
 	selected group was in more than one topic.

	Above two bugs happened only if the window configuration for
 	summary mode caused the group buffer not to be shown in a window.

Thu May  1 14:28:20 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi <at> ifi.uio.no>

	* message.el (message-send): Would pretend to have sent.
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John Palmieri | 1 May 1997 18:57
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dumb question (was Re: Gnus v5.4.49 is released)

Tell me, is there a good reason why a few files in the gnus package
have odd read/write permissions?

 -rw-------    4867/14867     16645 gnus-5.4.49/lisp/md5.el
 -rw-------    4867/14867     27792 gnus-5.4.49/texi/gnusref.tex

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luis fernandes | 1 May 1997 20:44
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Download Gnus-button


This brings up interesting point about updating softwre packages that
do not ship as standard with emacs.

Having just upgraded to 19.34, I also updgraded VM, W3 and AUCTeX. I
had to resort to some tricks (grepping through the el files) to find
the home archives of these packages because I couldn't seem to find
my "locator" file which lists archives sites and their corresponding
packages. 

I think it would be nice to have some sort of functionality
built-into emacs that would allow the upgrading of packages through
emacs (similar to the reporter package for reporting bugs). I
envision A sort of registry that all packages would register with
(when loaded into emacs) and then when the user typed "M-x
upgrade-package", a buffer containing a list of all registered
packages would appear and clicking on it would begin the download of
the latest package.

Is this too far fetched or am I just being lazy?
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 May 1997 22:24
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Re: dumb question (was Re: Gnus v5.4.49 is released)

John Palmieri <palmieri <at> math.mit.edu> writes:

> Tell me, is there a good reason why a few files in the gnus package
> have odd read/write permissions?
> 
>  -rw-------    4867/14867     16645 gnus-5.4.49/lisp/md5.el
>  -rw-------    4867/14867     27792 gnus-5.4.49/texi/gnusref.tex

No particular reason.  I'll fix it in the next release.

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Hrvoje Niksic | 1 May 1997 23:38
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Re: Download Gnus-button

luis fernandes <elf <at> ee.ryerson.ca> writes:

> I think it would be nice to have some sort of functionality
> built-into emacs that would allow the upgrading of packages through
> emacs (similar to the reporter package for reporting bugs). I
> envision A sort of registry that all packages would register with
> (when loaded into emacs) and then when the user typed "M-x
> upgrade-package", a buffer containing a list of all registered
> packages would appear and clicking on it would begin the download of
> the latest package.
> 
> Is this too far fetched or am I just being lazy?

Something like this is being discussed on the XEmacs mailing lists.
It would certainly be useful.

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St. Suika Roberts | 2 May 1997 02:11
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Memory usage?

I recently noticed that the current Gnus (5.4.48) eats up huge
amounts of memory.
Today I have noticed that the SIZE (as given by top) has been fluxing
at about 33552, and got up to 41xxx when I was shutting down Gnus.
I had an RSS of 18444 and a DSIZ of 53416 at that time.  It dropped
down to an RSS of 6984 and a DSIZ of 32832 right now.
I'm sort of wondering about the `proper' size for Gnus, as a (just
checked by starting a new emacs) bare emacs with just message and my
.emacs loaded has an RSS of 3216 and a DSIZ of 6780.

Thanks,
	Suika (In case it makes a difference, Linux 2.0.29 and emacs
	19.33 Mule gamma)
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Paul Graham | 2 May 1997 06:53
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Re: gnus date suggestion


since both of the are legal (by my reading of rfcs 822 and 1123) i don't
understand the objection to the gnus format.

    jason> I still think the Gnus "Date:" header format is non-standard.  I
    jason> also noticed VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid doesn't have this
    jason> limitation.

    jason> Gnus = Date: 01 May 1997 09:40:20 -0400
    jason> VM = Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:53:01 -0400 (EDT)

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