Drew Adams | 1 Oct 02:22 2011
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RE: Emacs pretest 24.0.90

> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:58 PM
> Emacs pretest 24.0.90 is now available for download via FTP, at the
> following location:
>   ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-24.0.90.tar.gz

Is there a Windows build available via HTTP?

Andreas RΓΆhler | 1 Oct 08:03 2011
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Re: draft for DEL key poll

Am 30.09.2011 23:22, schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:03:36 -0400
>> From: Richard Stallman<rms <at> gnu.org>
>> Cc: emacs-devel <at> gnu.org
>>
>> I don't generally care whether the region is active -- I set
>> mark-even-if-inactive to t.
>
> t is the default value of that variable nowadays.
>
>

Hi,

sounds like a redundancy for me:

*Non-nil means you can use the mark even when inactive.
This option makes a difference in Transient Mark mode.
When the option is non-nil, deactivation of the mark
turns off region highlighting, but commands that use the mark
behave as if the mark were still active.

IMHO there are two cases to decide:

- if exists a difference between point and mark, ie the region exists

- the region is highlighted or not

two functions resp. variables are enough for indicating this

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Eli Zaretskii | 1 Oct 08:57 2011
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Re: Ideas for hl-line-mode

> From: Dave Abrahams <dave <at> boostpro.com>
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:53:13 -0400
> 
> > If you provide a list of those modes which you are interested in, we
> > could see whether the fact they are `special' is a coincidence or
> > something else.
> 
> I'm interested in all present and future modes.

I was asking about those modes where you'd like to see hl-line-mode
active.

> I don't see anything in the manual that suggests the two sets in
> question will be/should be/are identical.

From the ELisp manual:

   * If this mode is appropriate only for specially-prepared text
     produced by the mode itself (rather than by the user typing at the
     keyboard or by an external file), then the major mode command
     symbol should have a property named `mode-class' with value
     `special', put on as follows:

          (put 'funny-mode 'mode-class 'special)

     [...] Modes such as Dired, Rmail, and Buffer List use this feature.

Eli Zaretskii | 1 Oct 09:07 2011
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Re: input method for unicode math characters

> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:35:17 -0500
> From: "Roland Winkler" <winkler <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel <at> gnu.org
> 
> On Fri Sep 30 2011 Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Did you try "C-u C-\ TeX RET"?
> 
> ...while here somehow I get completely irritated by the minibuffer
> that pops up (or is it the message area? oh well!)

You asked for an input method.  _All_ Emacs input methods show
possible combinations in the echo area.  For that matter, any
non-Emacs input method with complex combinations will pop up a small
window with these possibilities.

IOW, if you want an input method, you should be prepared to deal with
these pop-ups.

OTOH, if you use TeX a lot, you should be able to type the likes of
\gamma without ever looking at the echo area.

Thierry Volpiatto | 1 Oct 10:10 2011
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Re: input method for unicode math characters

"Roland Winkler" <winkler <at> gnu.org> writes:

> On Fri Sep 30 2011 Antoine Levitt wrote:
>> There's C-x 8 RET. For instance C-x 8 RET double integral produces
>> Γ’ Β¬.
>
> Thanks, well, the problem with this is that one needs to know these
> names
I wrote today an anything command for that. (i.e 𝕦𝕔𝕀
π•”π• π•žπ•‘π•π•–π•₯π•šπ• π•Ÿ ⚑)
See http://repo.or.cz/w/anything-config.git

You can write with all these characters without quitting.

>> Or do you mean some other mode like latex-math-abbrev ?
>
> ...and here it's kind of similar with zillions of commands
>
> On Fri Sep 30 2011 Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Did you try "C-u C-\ TeX RET"?
>
> ...while here somehow I get completely irritated by the minibuffer
> that pops up (or is it the message area? oh well!)
> Probably this can be customized. But then how to keep track of the
> available possibilities?
>
> -- In any case: Thanks! I just started myself thinking about the
> question what I might find useful here. I'd like to have something
> that interrupts my flow of typing as little as possible, while at
> the same time it's not easy to keep track of the plethora of symbols
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Stefan Monnier | 1 Oct 16:34 2011
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Re: input method for unicode math characters

>> There's C-x 8 RET. For instance C-x 8 RET double integral produces ∬.
> Thanks, well, the problem with this is that one needs to know these names.

You can use completion to find it.  I personally find that substring
completion is very useful for it, so I have

(when (boundp 'completion-category-overrides)
  (add-to-list 'completion-category-overrides
               '(unicode-name (styles basic substring))))

> ...while here somehow I get completely irritated by the minibuffer
> that pops up (or is it the message area? oh well!)
> Probably this can be customized. But then how to keep track of the
> available possibilities?

I don't find the echo area guidance very useful for TeX, indeed, but
it's not like the guidance bothers me: I just ignore it.  This said, it
would be good to improve it for such circumstances (and the TAB
"completion" should work more like normal completion: e.g. after "\Rig"
a TAB should complete to \Rightarrow since it's the only sequence that
starts with \Rig; also showing the tree in *Quail Completions* is not
nearly as useful as showing the leaves in *Completions*).

        Stefan

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Oct 18:36 2011
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Re: Possible new display bug

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

>> Did you ever try to "M-x redraw-display RET" in that situation?
>
> Nope.
>
>> If not, try it next time.
>
> Will do.

It finally happened again.  `M-x redraw-display RET' fixed the issue.

So Emacs is not redrawing certain parts of the display?  It seems to be
reproducible for me right now, but it involves using Gnus to view blog
items that have images in them.

--

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/

joakim | 1 Oct 19:19 2011
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Re: Djvu mode

"Roland Winkler" <winkler <at> gnu.org> writes:

> On Thu Sep 29 2011 joakim <at> verona.se wrote:
>> Can you explain what you mean with highlighting? There are lots of
>> things you can do in Emacs. 
>
> I have in mind the annotation syntax of djvu documents which allow
> you to add annotations (highlighting and text) to a djvu document.
> Under GNU Linux, see the man page of djvused.
> These annotations are nicely displayed by, e.g., djview. (I just
> noticed that the Gnome viewer evince ignores them - too bad!).
>
> I guess in principle it should be possible for a djvu viewer inside
> emacs to display these things, too, though I do not know yet how
> this could be implemented.

Do you have a recipe to create and verify such a highlight? I could then
have a look if ImageMagick also supports this.

>
> Roland

--

-- 
Joakim Verona

Dave Abrahams | 1 Oct 19:37 2011
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Re: Ideas for hl-line-mode


on Sat Oct 01 2011, Eli Zaretskii <eliz-AT-gnu.org> wrote:

>> From: Dave Abrahams <dave <at> boostpro.com>
>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:53:13 -0400
>> 
>> > If you provide a list of those modes which you are interested in, we
>> > could see whether the fact they are `special' is a coincidence or
>> > something else.
>> 
>> I'm interested in all present and future modes.
>
> I was asking about those modes where you'd like to see hl-line-mode
> active.
>
>> I don't see anything in the manual that suggests the two sets in
>> question will be/should be/are identical.
>
> From the ELisp manual:
>
>    * If this mode is appropriate only for specially-prepared text
>      produced by the mode itself (rather than by the user typing at the
>      keyboard or by an external file), then the major mode command
>      symbol should have a property named `mode-class' with value
>      `special', put on as follows:
>
>           (put 'funny-mode 'mode-class 'special)
>
>      [...] Modes such as Dired, Rmail, and Buffer List use this feature.
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Roland Winkler | 1 Oct 18:16 2011
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Re: input method for unicode math characters

On Sat Oct 1 2011 Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> There's C-x 8 RET. For instance C-x 8 RET double integral produces  .
> > Thanks, well, the problem with this is that one needs to know these names.
> 
> You can use completion to find it.  I personally find that substring
> completion is very useful for it, so I have
> 
> (when (boundp 'completion-category-overrides)
>   (add-to-list 'completion-category-overrides
>                '(unicode-name (styles basic substring))))

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

> I don't find the echo area guidance very useful for TeX, indeed,
> but it's not like the guidance bothers me: I just ignore it. This
> said, it would be good to improve it for such circumstances

I'd appreciate that!

There are things popping up in the message area that I do not want
to ignore. And there are other things that one can ignore without a
problem. Yet I only know which category a message belongs to if I do
pay some attention to what is happening in the message area. So the
bottom line is that too often one can get distracted for nothing.

Roland


Gmane