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Juanma Barranquero | 1 Feb 2009 02:00
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Re: Don't report new bugs for Rmail??

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 22:19, Don Armstrong <don <at> donarmstrong.com> wrote:

> They're not "just arbitrary labels".

Packages are not arbitrary labels. "Packages" are. I said that
packages are "packages" (i.e., labels) plus other things.

What I was saying, in other words, is that you can assign a bug to any
arbitrary label, but that the label is not a real package unless the
package exists.

> Bug reports against packages that don't have a maintainer shouldn't be
> submitted, because there's no indication that someone is going to look
> at them. In this case, the error is that no one has asked for the
> rmail package to be created.

But still, you can search for the label "rmail" even if no package exists.

    Juanma
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Thien-Thi Nguyen | 1 Feb 2009 02:09
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Re: New paren matching feature request

() "A. Soare" <alinsoar <at> voila.fr>
() Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:16:55 +0100 (CET)

   And I saw that the hand without the great finger can be dangerous.

   Why the egyptians believe such a thing?

The hand can be dangerous when it moves.
If the soul is held within, it roils motionless.

Likewise, applying an algorithm to a heuristic need can be dangerous.

Unlike the statues, however, we are lucky to have diff and emacs.
I encourage you to refine the patch and post it again after the release.

thi
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Stefan Monnier | 1 Feb 2009 02:43
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Re: buffer-swap-text and multibyteness

>> >> In tar-mode (and the way I imagine buffer-swap-text to be used),
>> >> swapping the buffer is a rare operation that's basically only done
>> >> when the the major mode changes.
>> 
>> > In Rmail, we do it each time a new message is being displayed.
>> 
>> Why???

> Because each message needs to be decoded before it is shown.  The
> decoded text goes to the rmail-view-buffer, and we then call
> rmail-swap-buffers to show the decoded text in the rmail-buffer.  See
> rmail-show-message for the gory details.

It looks problematic indeed.  I'm having trouble understanding how
it works.  Part of it might be due to naming: IIUC rmail-view-buffer
doesn't actually hold the "view" buffer, but instead it holds the
mbox bytes.

        Stefan
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Chong Yidong | 1 Feb 2009 03:25
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Re: VC Development

Nick Roberts <nickrob <at> snap.net.nz> writes:

>> It's even more strange that version control is so important nowadays,
>> and just about everyone seems to have a very strong opinion about it,
>> but not enough to want to contribute to VC...
>
> One reason that makes it unattractive to me is the fact that you
> revert changes without discussion:
>
> 2009-01-31  Dan Nicolaescu  <dann <at> ics.uci.edu>
>
> 	* vc-dir.el (vc-dir-mouse-map):
> 	(vc-default-dir-printer):
> 	(vc-dir-find-file-other-window): Undo previous change, it breaks
> 	the behavior of mouse-2.

Indeed: please, at minimum, send a message to emacs-devel before
reverting another developer's changes, even if those changes appear to
be "clearly wrong".  (I am making no judgement about the changes in
question.)
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A. Soare | 1 Feb 2009 03:30
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Re: New paren matching feature request


>    And I saw that the hand without the great finger can be dangerous.
> 
>    Why the egyptians believe such a thing?
> 
> The hand can be dangerous when it moves.
> If the soul is held within, it roils motionless.

Pffffufff. There passed more that 400 years since Giordano Bruno was killed and still the men says jokes.
And only 17 years since the professor Ioan Petru Culianu was murdered...

In the Middle Age was defined the evolution of mankind: science was born (due to a religious bill emmited by
the pope Inocentium in 1494). At that epoch, the europeans conquered little by little all the world. When
they met the cannibals from Oceania, when they saw them , they asked themselves: "All the peuple have soul?
Or the soul is just an illusion created by the european culture?". The scientist gave the answer: all the
peuple have soul. But the soul of cannibals is attached by a different system of values. They have
cultivated another values. That means that they believe in another things.

For exemple, the cannibals from a tribe of Oceania believed that if one does not eat an european, after the
death they will be condemned to hit the mug from the bottom of the ocean.

Every action that a man do depends completely on what he believes.

Have you heard about the journalist that wrote an article in Russia a few months ago, and she was injaled into
a hospital of mads, and she is injected every day some vaccins to destroy her nervous system? The nowadays
ortodixisme does not any longer the values system of the old bizantine ortodoxisme. The was between
Russia and America is a religious war...

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Chong Yidong | 1 Feb 2009 03:41
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Re: VC Development

Nick Roberts <nickrob <at> snap.net.nz> writes:

> This change fixed bug#1098 which I reported in October of last year where I
> say:
>
>    In vc-directory, mouse-2 on a [file] toggles the mark.  This is
>    unintuitive and inconsistent with with PCL-CVS and Emacs general
>    use of mouse-2 to link to something else.  It should visit the file
>    at that point in another buffer.

Aha, I remember this bug.

The problem, I think, is that selecting files is so important in vc-dir
that there should be an easy way to do it with the mouse.  However, it's
true that mouse-2 ought to visit files.  The proper approach is probably
to tweak the vc-directory interace slightly, adding a check-box on each
line that toggles whenever you click on it.
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Don Armstrong | 1 Feb 2009 05:02
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Re: Don't report new bugs for Rmail??

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009, Juanma Barranquero wrote:
> Packages are not arbitrary labels. "Packages" are. I said that
> packages are "packages" (i.e., labels) plus other things.
> 
> What I was saying, in other words, is that you can assign a bug to
> any arbitrary label, but that the label is not a real package unless
> the package exists.

You don't assign a bug to an arbitrary label. There's no such thing as
a label in debbugs. You assign a bug to a package.

The package(s) a bug is assigned is orthogonal to whether that package
actually exists and the other goodies that come with packages that
have been properly defined in debbugs.

I'd rather not waste time trying to work around problems and
misconceptions brought about by the use of invented non-standard
nomenclature to describe how debbugs operates. [In actual fact, I
probably won't spend the time dealing with such issues at all.]

> But still, you can search for the label "rmail" even if no package
> exists.

No. You can search for bugs which have package "rmail". There is no
such thing as a label in debbugs. The package a bug is assigned to has
nothing to do with whether the package is known to exist. Debbugs only
cares about what is in the package field of the bug when searching for
bugs.

Don Armstrong
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Eli Zaretskii | 1 Feb 2009 05:13
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Re: buffer-swap-text and multibyteness

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: emacs-devel <at> gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:43:57 -0500
> 
> It looks problematic indeed.  I'm having trouble understanding how
> it works.  Part of it might be due to naming: IIUC rmail-view-buffer
> doesn't actually hold the "view" buffer, but instead it holds the
> mbox bytes.

Yes, most of the time rmail-view-buffer holds the original message
collection, because that's what rmail-swap-buffers causes when we
display a message.
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Eli Zaretskii | 1 Feb 2009 05:14
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Re: Don't report new bugs for Rmail??

> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:24:01 -0800
> From: Don Armstrong <don <at> donarmstrong.com>
> 
> > It's IMO inconsistency to allow bugs be filed against a package that
> > doesn't exist.
> 
> The alternative is rejecting them entirely, which I think is the wrong
> decision.

All I care about is that sentence asking not to submit more bug
reports.  Can we please remove or rephrase that?
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Don Armstrong | 1 Feb 2009 05:33
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Re: Don't report new bugs for Rmail??

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> All I care about is that sentence asking not to submit more bug
> reports. Can we please remove or rephrase that?

It just needs someone to tell me what address they want as the
maintainer for the rmail package; I don't care what address it is.
[Likewise for any other packages that people want to create.]

Don Armstrong

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