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Alex Ott | 1 May 2012 10:47
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Re: Merge of 'newtrunk' branch

Hello David

I found one error with autoloads, and not sure how to fix it - can you
look onto it?

I have code in my cedet config in following form:

(when (cedet-ectag-version-check t)
  (require 'semantic/ectags/db)
  (semantic-load-enable-primary-ectags-support))

When I start Emacs, I get following error:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Cannot open load file" "ectags/util")
  (cedet-ectag-version-check t)
  (if (cedet-ectag-version-check t) (progn (require (quote
semantic/ectags/db)) (semantic-load-enable-primary-ectags-support)))
  (when (cedet-ectag-version-check t) (require (quote
semantic/ectags/db)) (semantic-load-enable-primary-ectags-support))
  eval-buffer(#<buffer  *load*≤2>> nil
"/Users/ott/emacs/rc/emacs-rc-cedet.el" nil t)  ; Reading at buffer
position 2885
  load-with-code-conversion("/Users/ott/emacs/rc/emacs-rc-cedet.el"
"/Users/ott/emacs/rc/emacs-rc-cedet.el" nil nil)
  load("~/emacs/rc/emacs-rc-cedet.el")
  eval-buffer(#<buffer  *load*≥ nil "/Users/ott/.emacs" nil t)  ;
Reading at buffer position 784
  load-with-code-conversion("/Users/ott/.emacs" "/Users/ott/.emacs" t t)
  load("~/.emacs" t t)
....
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David Engster | 1 May 2012 14:11
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Re: Merge of 'newtrunk' branch

Alex Ott writes:
> It looks like loaddefs aren't correctly generated. I checked
> semantic/loaddefs.el, and `cedet-ectag-version-check' function exists
> there, but it marked as

Yes, ones has to override `generated-autoload-load-name' in the local
variables section of the file, which I forgot to do. This is now fixed
in trunk.

> (when (cedet-ectag-version-check t)
>   (require 'semantic/ectags/db)
>   (semantic-load-enable-primary-ectags-support))

That require in there shouldn't be necessary. If you see that you need
to require packages to call end-user functions, please report this as a
bug.

Thanks,
David

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Alex Ott | 1 May 2012 15:29
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Re: Merge of 'newtrunk' branch

Thank you David!

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:11 PM, David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de> wrote:
> Alex Ott writes:
>> It looks like loaddefs aren't correctly generated. I checked
>> semantic/loaddefs.el, and `cedet-ectag-version-check' function exists
>> there, but it marked as
>
> Yes, ones has to override `generated-autoload-load-name' in the local
> variables section of the file, which I forgot to do. This is now fixed
> in trunk.
>
>> (when (cedet-ectag-version-check t)
>>   (require 'semantic/ectags/db)
>>   (semantic-load-enable-primary-ectags-support))
>
> That require in there shouldn't be necessary. If you see that you need
> to require packages to call end-user functions, please report this as a
> bug.
>
> Thanks,
> David

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David Engster | 2 May 2012 21:49
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Re: Merge of 'newtrunk' branch

David Engster writes:
> Alex Ott writes:
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:11 PM, David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de> wrote:
>>> Ilya Zonov writes:
>>>> I found that function 'semantic-ia-complete-symbol-menu'
>>>> (/lisp/cedet/semantic/
>>>> ia.el) is not available at last revision. It seems this function was removed
>>>> after sync with Emacs. Will this function be returned back?
>>>
>>> Yes, it was removed in Emacs. I'm not sure, but my guess is that it was
>>> removed because it depends on Senator, and we wanted to get rid of that
>>> one, hence I don't think we should bring it back.
>>
>> It's good idea to remove something, but this function is often used,
>> as I see, and its removal, without providing alternatives out-of-box,
>> is pretty bad idea :-(
>
> This is CEDET-bzr, anything can happen. ;-)
>
> I see that Senator is actually still in Emacs trunk, so I'm at a loss
> why the above function was removed. Eric, do you know? Otherwise I'll
> ask Yidong.

OK, I've brought the function back with a 'do not merge' notice.

The different completion tools in CEDET are... confusing. We have the
semantic-ia-complete-symbol/menu/tip functions, which (I'm guessing)
predate semantic-complete-analyze-inline, which is configured through
`semantic-complete-inline-analyzer-displayor-class' (phew...). The
semantic-complete package is more powerful but doesn't have that neat
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Alex Ott | 2 May 2012 21:53
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Re: Merge of 'newtrunk' branch

Thank you David

I also installed autocomplete and trying to use it together with
Semantic, although maybe I'll need to experiment with semantic-only
backend, etc.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:49 PM, David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de> wrote:
> David Engster writes:
>> Alex Ott writes:
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:11 PM, David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de> wrote:
>>>> Ilya Zonov writes:
>>>>> I found that function 'semantic-ia-complete-symbol-menu'
>>>>> (/lisp/cedet/semantic/
>>>>> ia.el) is not available at last revision. It seems this function was removed
>>>>> after sync with Emacs. Will this function be returned back?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it was removed in Emacs. I'm not sure, but my guess is that it was
>>>> removed because it depends on Senator, and we wanted to get rid of that
>>>> one, hence I don't think we should bring it back.
>>>
>>> It's good idea to remove something, but this function is often used,
>>> as I see, and its removal, without providing alternatives out-of-box,
>>> is pretty bad idea :-(
>>
>> This is CEDET-bzr, anything can happen. ;-)
>>
>> I see that Senator is actually still in Emacs trunk, so I'm at a loss
>> why the above function was removed. Eric, do you know? Otherwise I'll
>> ask Yidong.
>
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David Engster | 2 May 2012 21:58
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Re: Merge of 'newtrunk' branch

Alex Ott writes:
> Thank you David
>
> I also installed autocomplete and trying to use it together with
> Semantic, although maybe I'll need to experiment with semantic-only
> backend, etc.

Yes, I would recommend to use

(setq-default ac-sources '(ac-source-semantic-raw))

to really only get Semantic completions. I would also recommend to
choose a longer delay until auto-complete triggers, otherwise it can
easily become quite annoying.

-David

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Eric M. Ludlam | 3 May 2012 00:32
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Re: Merge of 'newtrunk' branch

On 05/02/2012 03:49 PM, David Engster wrote:
> David Engster writes:
[...]
>> I see that Senator is actually still in Emacs trunk, so I'm at a loss
>> why the above function was removed. Eric, do you know? Otherwise I'll
>> ask Yidong.
>
> OK, I've brought the function back with a 'do not merge' notice.
>
> The different completion tools in CEDET are... confusing. We have the
> semantic-ia-complete-symbol/menu/tip functions, which (I'm guessing)
> predate semantic-complete-analyze-inline, which is configured through

All the semantic-ia functions were meant as examples, showing how to 
write a simple function using the semantic backend to do the heavy 
lifting.  The point being to help folks writing a nice completion ui 
something to try out.

That took a long time though, so enhancements went in making them not so 
simple. ;)

> `semantic-complete-inline-analyzer-displayor-class' (phew...). The
> semantic-complete package is more powerful but doesn't have that neat
> menu-style completion from the semantic-ia package. Instead, it has this
> 'ghosting' style and tooltips. I guess the semantic-ia-complete
> functions should be deprecated some day and moved to semantic-complete?

The primary complexity in the semantic-complete function is performance, 
recycling as much data as possible between requests within a particular 
completion edit session.  ie. handling multiple completion requests on a
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David Engster | 3 May 2012 22:06
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New mozrepl backend for Semantic

For you Javascript coders out there this should be fairly interesting. I
added a semanticdb omniscience database using mozrepl, which is a
Firefox extension providing access to a running session. I've written
more about it here, also covering installation and the different
completion solutions that are currently available:

http://www.randomsample.de/dru5/node/147

Cheers,
David

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Daniel Hackney | 4 May 2012 07:02
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Re: Making listing buffers (data-debug and symref) read-only

Eric M. Ludlam <ericludlam <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/20/2012 07:02 PM, Daniel Hackney wrote:
>>
>> I have a branch which makes these two buffers read-only, so they don't get
>> junk
>> written to them in the form of self-inserting keys. After a long fight
>> with
>> Bazaar, I have a branch here:
>>
>> lp:~haxney/+junk/listing-buffers-read-only
>>
>> Rather than using `toggle-read-only', which the documentation says is bad
>> form
>> in an elisp program, I used `buffer-read-only' and `inhibit-read-only' to
>> achieve the desired effect. Also, I made sure the buffers do not show up
>> as
>> modified when sections are expanded and collapsed.
>
>
> I like this idea based on your description, but don't know how to access the
> location you provided.  If the patch is short (in terms of new code lines)
> we can include it, otherwise we may need a release from you for this work.

Any progress on this? Once again, the bzr URL is:

  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~haxney/%2Bjunk/listing-buffers-read-only/

Consider this a friendly, gentle poke :)

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Eric Ludlam | 4 May 2012 13:02
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Re: Making listing buffers (data-debug and symref) read-only

  On 05/04/2012 01:02 AM, Daniel Hackney wrote:
> Eric M. Ludlam<ericludlam <at> gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 04/20/2012 07:02 PM, Daniel Hackney wrote:
>>> I have a branch which makes these two buffers read-only, so they don't get
>>> junk
>>> written to them in the form of self-inserting keys. After a long fight
>>> with
>>> Bazaar, I have a branch here:
>>>
>>> lp:~haxney/+junk/listing-buffers-read-only
>>>
>>> Rather than using `toggle-read-only', which the documentation says is bad
>>> form
>>> in an elisp program, I used `buffer-read-only' and `inhibit-read-only' to
>>> achieve the desired effect. Also, I made sure the buffers do not show up
>>> as
>>> modified when sections are expanded and collapsed.
>>
>> I like this idea based on your description, but don't know how to access the
>> location you provided.  If the patch is short (in terms of new code lines)
>> we can include it, otherwise we may need a release from you for this work.
> Any progress on this? Once again, the bzr URL is:
>
>    http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~haxney/%2Bjunk/listing-buffers-read-only/
>
> Consider this a friendly, gentle poke :)

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hacking machine is currently in my livingroom as a mythtv experiment.  
Hacking code on the TV is kind of sucky, even if the couch is comfy.
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