Dear Hebrew users, I have added a screenshot of our bidi-enabled Emacs showing Hebrew sentences with points. http://www.m17n.org/emacs-bidi/ I have already consulted two native speakers. They said it is not perfect but acceptable. Any comments? -- -- TAKAHASHI Naoto ntakahas <at> m17n.org http://www.m17n.org/ntakahas/
Eli Zaretskii writes:
> I'd say it's perfect. What were the reasons people regarded the display
> as ``not perfect''?
The position of points can be improved. For example,
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The printing in the textbook I have consulted supports this opinion.
What do you think?
> I do think that a decent way of typing points is important; asking users
> to know the Unicode codepoints is too much.
Of course I can easily add experimental input method for points; just
adding a number of quail rules suffices.
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, TAKAHASHI Naoto wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > The position of points can be improved. For example, > Agreed. However, this type of kerning is generally font dependent. > > However, I wonder how big the requirement is. Are Hebrew users keen > to type points? They usually do without points, right? > Usually, but I am on at least one mailing list where adding points would be very useful on some words (to emphasize correct pronunciation). This feature could be useful. Just my two cents, Zuki -- -- Yitzchak Gottlieb zuki <at> CS.Princeton.EDU
Eli Zaretskii writes: > It's true that points are mostly unused in daily practice, but the above > cases are IMHO important enough to be able to type them in a convenient > manner. I was convinced and the functionality has been added. http://www.m17n.org/emacs-bidi/heb-key.html -- -- TAKAHASHI Naoto ntakahas <at> m17n.org http://www.m17n.org/ntakahas/
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, TAKAHASHI Naoto wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > It's true that points are mostly unused in daily practice, but the above > > cases are IMHO important enough to be able to type them in a convenient > > manner. > > I was convinced and the functionality has been added. Thanks!
Much thanks for everyone who brought significant progress to bidi-emacs. In http://www.m17n.org/emacs-bidi/ the heb.utf8 example is nicely displayed with vowel poinst. What font is used there? How do I tell bidi-emacs to use it? thanks -- yotam
Yotam Medini writes: > http://www.m17n.org/emacs-bidi/ > the heb.utf8 example is nicely displayed with vowel poinst. Do you really think so? The font was designed by a Japanese who does not know Hebrew at all -- namely, me. I have no idea how nice (or how ugly) it is. > What font is used there? m17n-nr14.pcf > How do I tell bidi-emacs to use it? Read the "Fonts" section in the web page you mentioned. Then add the following lines in your ~/.Xdefaults file. Emacs.Font: fontset-m17n Emacs.Fontset-0: -m17n-mule-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-m17n -- -- TAKAHASHI Naoto ntakahas <at> m17n.org http://www.m17n.org/ntakahas/
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, TAKAHASHI Naoto wrote: > Yotam Medini writes: > > > http://www.m17n.org/emacs-bidi/ > > the heb.utf8 example is nicely displayed with vowel poinst. > > Do you really think so?The font was designed by a Japanese who does > not know Hebrew at all -- namely, me.I have no idea how nice (or how > ugly) it is. You could have used misc-fixed from XFree. (I think that by now it is also part of X11). I think it includes both Hebrew and Arabic. > > > What font is used there? > > m17n-nr14.pcf > > > How do I tell bidi-emacs to use it? > > Read the "Fonts" section in the web page you mentioned. > Then add the following lines in your ~/.Xdefaults file. > > Emacs.Font: fontset-m17n > Emacs.Fontset-0: -m17n-mule-medium-r-(Continue reading)normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-m17n What is "m17n"? Can I use an iso10646-1 font?
Tzafrir Cohen writes: > What is "m17n"? Multilingualization. > Can I use an iso10646-1 font? Yes. -- -- TAKAHASHI Naoto ntakahas <at> m17n.org http://www.m17n.org/ntakahas/
Yotam Medini writes: >> Emacs.Font: fontset-m17n >> Emacs.Fontset-0: -m17n-mule-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-m17n > But say, I don't want to change 'regular' Emacs X11-resources. > Is there a way, to use the above font via bidi-Emacs command line? > Or via some magic X11 envionment variable that points to > a user defined X11-resource a file? Then add the following lines in your ~/.emacs file. (set-fontset-font "fontset-default" (cons (decode-char 'ucs #x0590) (decode-char 'ucs #x05ff)) "-m17n-*--20-*-iso10646-1") (set-fontset-font "fontset-default" (cons (decode-char 'ucs #xfb2a) (decode-char 'ucs #xfb4f)) "-m17n-*--20-*-iso10646-1") Change the string "fontset-default" to whatever fontset you want. -- -- TAKAHASHI Naoto ntakahas <at> m17n.org http://www.m17n.org/ntakahas/
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