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Patrick Finerty Jr. | 3 Jun 2002 16:31

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spam

can the admin please change this list so that only subscribers can
post? the spam is annoying as hell.

-p

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Sam Steingold | 3 Jun 2002 22:01

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encoding problem: bug and fix

some people put their non-ASCII names in the "From: " line.
when that happens, BBDB will insist on putting all possible encodings
in the AKA list (that's what you get when you use Mule instead of
UNICODE).
the appended patch fixes the offending behavior for me (emacs 21).

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cd /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-2.34/lisp/
diff -u -b -w -i -B /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-2.34/lisp/bbdb.el.old /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-2.34/lisp/bbdb.el
--- /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-2.34/lisp/bbdb.el.old	Tue Jan 15 18:00:58 2002
+++ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-2.34/lisp/bbdb.el	Mon Jun  3 15:56:54 2002
 <at>  <at>  -2980,13 +2980,19  <at>  <at> 
                (or gubbish "")))
       (list string ""))))

+(defun bbdb-string= (st1 st2)
+  "Check whether the two (possibly multibyte) strings
+are identical modulo encodings."
+  (string-equal (encode-coding-string st1 'mule-utf-8 t)
+                (encode-coding-string st2 'mule-utf-8 t)))
+
 (defun bbdb-check-alternate-name (possible-name record)
-  (let (aka)
-    (if (setq aka (bbdb-record-aka record))
+  (let ((aka (bbdb-record-aka record)))

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Alex Schroeder | 3 Jun 2002 23:33

Re: spam

I am not getting that much spam in my BBDB folders.  I see you are
using VM, not Gnus, so I cannot help you with your filtering, but one
of the most effective filters I ever used is the one that goes by
weird coding sets.  At the moment this rule seems to catch most of my
mailing list spam:

("Subject" "=?ks_c_5601-1987" "mail.spam")

Alex.
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Kai Großjohann | 4 Jun 2002 13:54

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Re: spam

Alex Schroeder <alex <at> emacswiki.org> writes:

> ("Subject" "=?ks_c_5601-1987" "mail.spam")

Maybe Patrick's SO is Korean...

kai
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Kai Großjohann | 4 Jun 2002 13:53

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Re: encoding problem: bug and fix

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> some people put their non-ASCII names in the "From: " line.
> when that happens, BBDB will insist on putting all possible encodings
> in the AKA list (that's what you get when you use Mule instead of
> UNICODE).
> the appended patch fixes the offending behavior for me (emacs 21).

This should only be done if the coding system mule-utf-8 is actually
supported by Emacs.

kai
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Martin Maechler | 5 Jun 2002 08:32

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Re: encoding problem: bug and fix

>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> some people put their non-ASCII names in the "From: "
    Sam> line.  when that happens, BBDB will insist on putting
    Sam> all possible encodings in the AKA list (that's what you
    Sam> get when you use Mule instead of UNICODE).  the
    Sam> appended patch fixes the offending behavior for me
    Sam> (emacs 21).

    <.... patch ....>

unfortunately my version of bbdb is currently too old (2.32),
but I know the problem and am *VERY MUCH* looking forward in
seeing a released version of bbdb with this patch applied !!

Thank you, Sam!

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Ronan Waide | 6 Jun 2002 23:49

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Re: spam

On June 3, pjf <at> finerty.net said:
> can the admin please change this list so that only subscribers can
> post? the spam is annoying as hell.
> 
> -p

The admin, who has been slack of late (combination of vacation, new
job, and broken laptop LCD), is reluctant to do so on the grounds that
it raises the entry level for people who'd just like to say
"help!". Then again, since you tend to require a PhD in Emacs before
you can get BBDB working (unless you use the debian package) it may
not be a bad idea. Anyone care to actually vote on this, since I got
mauled the last time I tried tweaking the list config...

Cheers,
Waider. Your Humble Admin

PS I have an ulterior motive, obviously. I'm already clearing three to
four spams per week out of the admin bucket. Subscriber-posting-only
would boot that up.
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Ronan Waide | 6 Jun 2002 23:51

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Re: encoding problem: bug and fix

On June 3, sds <at> gnu.org said:
> some people put their non-ASCII names in the "From: " line.
> when that happens, BBDB will insist on putting all possible encodings
> in the AKA list (that's what you get when you use Mule instead of
> UNICODE).
> the appended patch fixes the offending behavior for me (emacs 21).

Not applied or tested or even looked at yet, but (a) can this be fixed
in emacsen back to 19.34 and (b) what do people think about storing
QP-encoded text in the BBDB? On one hand, it utterly screws anyone
doing direct access to the BBDB file (version bumping would at least
alert folk to this), but on the other hand it means that the name is
in exactly the right format for the mail client. Also gets around the
buffer-coding nastiness.

Waider. Or we could pretend that ISO10646 is a valid encoding in emacs...
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Jochen Küpper | 7 Jun 2002 00:34

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Re: spam

On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:49:17 +0100 Ronan Waide wrote:

Ronan> On June 3, pjf <at> finerty.net said:
>> can the admin please change this list so that only subscribers can
>> post? the spam is annoying as hell.

Ronan> The admin, who has been slack of late (combination of vacation, new
Ronan> job, and broken laptop LCD), is reluctant to do so on the grounds that
Ronan> it raises the entry level for people who'd just like to say
Ronan> "help!". 

And what's about people (like me:) sending to the list from multiple
email accounts (home, work) but are only subscribed once, obviously?  

Ronan> Then again, since you tend to require a PhD in Emacs before you
Ronan> can get BBDB working (unless you use the debian package) it may
Ronan> not be a bad idea.

Well, maybe there is a solution to the problem I mentioned above, but
although I am using bbdb I definitely don't have any higher degree in
Elisp:O

Ronan> Anyone care to actually vote on this, 

-1

Ronan> since I got mauled the last time I tried tweaking the list
Ronan> config...

Wasn't me, I swear...

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Andre Srinivasan | 7 Jun 2002 02:06

Minor bug fix to bbdb-define-all-aliases


: $ cvs diff bbdb-com.el
Index: bbdb-com.el
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/bbdb/bbdb/lisp/bbdb-com.el,v
retrieving revision 1.150
diff -I\$[A-Za-z]*:.*\$ -u -w -r1.150 bbdb-com.el
--- bbdb-com.el	12 May 2002 22:17:03 -0000	1.150
+++ bbdb-com.el	7 Jun 2002 00:06:01 -0000
 <at>  <at>  -2646,7 +2646,7  <at>  <at> 
           (if use-abbrev-p
               (define-mail-abbrev alias expansion)
             (define-mail-alias alias expansion))
-          (setq alias (or (intern-soft alias
+          (setq alias (or (intern-soft (downcase alias)
                                        (if use-abbrev-p
                                            mail-abbrevs mail-aliases))
                           (error "couldn't find the alias we just defined!")))

Emacs  : XEmacs 21.4 (patch 8) "Honest Recruiter (Windows [2])" [Lucid] (i686-pc-cygwin, Mule) of Tue Jun  4
2002 on ANDRE
Package: BBDB 2.35

current state:
==============
(setq
 emacs-version "21.4 (patch 8) \"Honest Recruiter (Windows [2])\" XEmacs Lucid"
 bbdb-version-date "$Date: 2002/05/12 22:17:04 $"
 bbdb-file-format 6
 bbdb-no-duplicates-p nil

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