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Andrej (Andy) Brodnik | 29 Dec 02:08
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Re: AUCTeX and emacs on windows

On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 12:12:43AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> "Andrej (Andy) Brodnik" <andrej.brodnik <at> imfm.uni-lj.si> writes:
> 
> > Well, let's put it this way, this is not what one, who installed
> > emacs  from  URL  ``http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/windows/emacs/'' (which  is
> > also suggested  in the INSTALL.windows  directory) wants to  have. The
> > problem is  that if one installs  emacs from the  mentioned site (s)he
> > does not  have cygwin (or mingw)  environment and hence  does not have
> > make suite etc.
> 
> mingw is installed in about 5 minutes.  And probably easier than Emacs
> is installed.

I'm sure not.  For the emacs installation one  only fetches the binary
version,  unpacks (unzips)  it somewhere  and  then makes  a link  (or
whatever is the  name for links under MS-win)  to file run-emacs. This
link ``is'' now the executable -- no compilation, no makes, nothing.

Is the ``make'' part really necessary for the AUCTeX?

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Brian Elmegaard | 29 Dec 09:18
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Re: AUCTeX and emacs on windows

andrej.brodnik <at> imfm.uni-lj.si ("Andrej (Andy) Brodnik") writes:

> Does anybody have any experience with this? 

Sure, it's great.

> I'm not writting about the
> cygwin installation, but straight-forward eamcs instalation.
> 
The windows installer on:
http://www.et.dtu.dk/software/DNA/emacs21.3-setup.exe
includes auctex as well.

The emacs version is not the most recent cvs, but newer than the
official 21.3.

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Ralf Angeli | 29 Dec 09:44
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Re: AUCTeX and emacs on windows

* Andrej Brodnik (2004-12-29) writes:

> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 12:12:43AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> "Andrej (Andy) Brodnik" <andrej.brodnik <at> imfm.uni-lj.si> writes:
>> 
>> > Well, let's put it this way, this is not what one, who installed
>> > emacs  from  URL  ``http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/windows/emacs/'' (which  is
>> > also suggested  in the INSTALL.windows  directory) wants to  have. The
>> > problem is  that if one installs  emacs from the  mentioned site (s)he
>> > does not  have cygwin (or mingw)  environment and hence  does not have
>> > make suite etc.
>> 
>> mingw is installed in about 5 minutes.  And probably easier than Emacs
>> is installed.
>
> I'm sure not.  For the emacs installation one  only fetches the binary
> version,  unpacks (unzips)  it somewhere  and  then makes  a link  (or
> whatever is the  name for links under MS-win)  to file run-emacs. This
> link ``is'' now the executable -- no compilation, no makes, nothing.

Does `M-x grep-find ...' work after you did this?  What about `M-x
ediff ...'?  Or opening a compressed file with `auto-compression-mode'
enabled?

> Is the ``make'' part really necessary for the AUCTeX?

`make' mainly byte-compiles files.  The interesting part is
`configure'.  This will determine automatically certain values
necessary for AUCTeX functioning properly and do other sanity checks,
so you don't have to.  Of course you could do all this manually but
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David Kastrup | 29 Dec 10:15
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Re: AUCTeX and emacs on windows

"Andrej (Andy) Brodnik" <andrej.brodnik <at> imfm.uni-lj.si> writes:

> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 12:12:43AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> "Andrej (Andy) Brodnik" <andrej.brodnik <at> imfm.uni-lj.si> writes:
>> 
>> > Well, let's put it this way, this is not what one, who installed
>> > emacs  from  URL  ``http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/windows/emacs/'' (which  is
>> > also suggested  in the INSTALL.windows  directory) wants to  have. The
>> > problem is  that if one installs  emacs from the  mentioned site (s)he
>> > does not  have cygwin (or mingw)  environment and hence  does not have
>> > make suite etc.
>> 
>> mingw is installed in about 5 minutes.  And probably easier than Emacs
>> is installed.
>
> I'm sure not.

You have not tried it then.

> For the emacs installation one only fetches the binary version,
> unpacks (unzips) it somewhere and then makes a link (or whatever is
> the name for links under MS-win) to file run-emacs. This link ``is''
> now the executable -- no compilation, no makes, nothing.

For mingw one fetches the installer, clicks on it and hits a few times
return IIRC.

Please try it out before protesting against it.

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Nelson H. F. Beebe | 29 Dec 01:51
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ReL How to make AUCTEX expand new macros from additional packages?

Discussions today have focused on the presence of doubled slashes
in pathnames from macro expansions, e.g., /var/lib/auctex//emacs-21.

This response comments on standard and historical practice.

Here is what POSIX (IEEE Std 1003.1-2001) has to say:

>> ...
>> 2298 3.266    Pathname
>> 
>> 2299          A character string that is used to identify a file. In the context of IEEE Std 1003.1-2001, a
>> 2300          pathname consists of, at most, {PATH_MAX} bytes, including the terminating null byte. It has an
>> 2301          optional beginning slash, followed by zero or more filenames separated by slashes. A pathname
>> 2302          may optionally contain one or more trailing slashes. Multiple successive slashes are considered
>> 2303          to be the same as one slash.
>> 
>> ....
>> 
>> 3169               A pathname consisting of a single slash shall resolve to the root directory of the process. A null
>> 3170               pathname shall not be successfully resolved. A pathname that begins with two successive
>> 3171               slashes may be interpreted in an implementation-defined manner, although more than two
>> 3172               leading slashes shall be treated as a single slash.
>> ...

Thus, doubled slashes may be significant in POSIX-conformant
filesystems only when they START a pathname.  This may have been
introduced to deal with network-extended filesystems, like the Andrew
File System and the old Apollo Domain filesystem.

Here is what RFC 1808 (Relative Uniform Resource Locators) has to say:
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David Kastrup | 29 Dec 10:55
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Re: ReL How to make AUCTEX expand new macros from additional packages?

"Nelson H. F. Beebe" <beebe <at> math.utah.edu> writes:

> Discussions today have focused on the presence of doubled slashes
> in pathnames from macro expansions, e.g., /var/lib/auctex//emacs-21.
>
> This response comments on standard and historical practice.
>
> Here is what POSIX (IEEE Std 1003.1-2001) has to say:

[...]

Last time I looked, nobody claimed that Emacs was a POSIX-compliant
operating system... so we can't demand that it behaves like one.

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