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James Weinheimer | 1 Dec 08:54

Re: Subject Heading - Youth vs. Teenagers

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:17:35 -0500, Aaron Kuperman <akup@...> wrote:

>> It is not the author's inconsistency that bothers me - it is the lack of
clarity on the part of LCSH - especially when you start putting more
specific headings into the mix (like church work with teenagers, etc.). I
would never expect or want authors to follow some kind of rigid standard - I
DO expect that from LCSH and have to admit it seems less and less true that
LC follows rigorous internally consistent standards in regards to their
subject headings (take a look at the heading for 'chick lit' if you want to
see a very poor subject heading in terms of sydentic structure).
>>
>> It just seems that with things doing to do with ages it would be nice to
have clearly delineated headings - whether we agree with them or not - and
then very clear see and see alsos so that we AND the users don't have to
think of every possible version of a heading an information package might
have - isn't that what what a controlled pre-coordinated vocabulary is
supposed to do?

This also occurs with geographic places, where e.g. "United
States--History--1783-1815" and "United States--History--1969-" do not
necessarily comprise exactly the same geographic areas. Among the other
headings with even more widely varying changes in geographic borders are:
Austria (includes the Austro-Hungarian Empire) and Turkey (includes the
Ottoman Empire). Don't get me started on the headings: Russia/Soviet
Union/Former Soviet republics!

That said, these are some extremely difficult and tricky areas for the
normal public to understand or even know about. Sometimes it is even tricky
for an experienced reference librarian and the cataloger needs to be called
in. I would be very hesitant to change cataloging practice in cases such as
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Siladitya Jana | 1 Dec 11:52
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Confusion in Title

Dear all,

I would like to draw your attention to he following fact:

If you search through ISBN 354034571x, the LC Catalogue shows the tile:
"Quantum optics and quantum information : an introduction", whereas the
publisher's website (www.springer.com) says : "Fundamentals of Quantum
Optics and Quantum Information", and so did Amazon.

Which one is true? Is it a case where the publisher has changed the title
after submitting the details for CIP?

with regards,
Siladitya Jana
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Siladitya Jana
Library Technician
Indian Institute of Science Education and Research--Kolkata
HC VII, Sector III, Kolkata 700106
http://siladityajana.googlepages.com
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Gene Kinnaly | 1 Dec 13:33
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Re: Confusion in Title

Well, the publisher is Springer, so I would say that the only way to know for sure what the title is would be to
see the actual title page in the published book!

However, of the two - the LC record and the publisher's website - I would go with the publisher's website as
*perhaps* being more authoritative (although not as authoritative as the title page, of course), for two reasons:

[1]  The LC record is a preliminary record and is not based on the published book.  If, when you call up the
record in the LC OPAC, you click on the "MARC Tags" display, look in particular the 263 (projected date of
publication) field and the 300 (physical description) field.

[2]  The LC record is not a CIP record - it is a record created within the Preassigned Control Number Program. 
Again in the MARC tags display, see the 906 (local) field, subfield "e" that says "epcn" - that stands for
the Electronic Preassigned Control Number program.  

EPCN records are created by computer program based on the EPCN application as completed and submitted by
the publisher.  No cataloger or other processing staff at LC has or will touch this record until the
published book is received by LC.  And that's another clue that the record is not an LC CIP record - there are
no subject headings nor is there an LC call number.

While PCN publishers are required (as with the CIP Program) to submit a copy of the published book to LC
immediately upon publication, compliance is not 100 percent, and it may be some time before LC acquires
this book (assuming it is published) and updates/completes the cataloging.

Gene

Gene Kinnaly
LC cataloger (retired)

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Hardy, Elaine | 1 Dec 13:37
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Re: Green Bean Casserole from scratch

Apologies for the early Friday funny; but Dave Kellett had an
appropriate Sheldon comic this Sunday --- 

http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/081130.html

 

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J. Elaine Hardy
PINES Bibliographic Projects and Metadata Manager
Georgia Public Library Service,
A Unit of the University System of Georgia
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
404.235-7128
404.235-7201, fax

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Cooper Wood | 1 Dec 14:11

Re: Cataloging local authors

At Winter Park Public Library we add a 655 for known Florida authors as
"Authors $z Florida $z [city]."  The authority records for these subject
headings are coded "z" (other) in the 008 thesaurus position (vice "a"
for LCSH) and we add the 040 field "$f wppl" to indicate we created this
genre heading.  

If the subject of the work is one or more Florida authors then we make
sure the 650 heading "Authors $z Florida $z [city - if specified]" is
followed by "$v Biography," "$x Criticism and interpretation" or other
appropriate subheading to differentiate the topical from the genre
subject headings.

In this way we can both follow the LC format and keep our subject
authorities index properly organized.

Cooper Wood

Cataloging Librarian

Winter Park Public Library

Winter Park, Fla.

Scientia potentia est

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Jack Hall | 1 Dec 14:34
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Re: Confusion in Title

I checked our copy in the stacks. The title page has: Fundamentals of 
quantum optics and quantum information. That agrees with the OCLC 
record, #74650533. It is not a Library of Congress record.

Jack

At 04:52 AM 12/1/2008, Siladitya Jana wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>If you search through ISBN 354034571x, the LC Catalogue shows the tile:
>"Quantum optics and quantum information : an introduction", whereas the
>publisher's website (www.springer.com) says : "Fundamentals of Quantum
>Optics and Quantum Information", and so did Amazon.
>

Jack Hall
Manager, Cataloging Services
114L University of Houston Libraries
Houston, TX  77204-2000
telephone:(713) 743-9687
e-mail: jhall@...
fax: (713) 743-9748 

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Dawn Grattino | 1 Dec 15:07
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Re: Subject Heading - Youth vs. Teenagers

I would be happy if the LCSH's just matched the LC call numbers! 

Dawn 
----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: [ACAT] Subject Heading - Youth vs. Teenagers 

and in some countries, 12 or 13, and in some situations 25 or 30. 

As with all subject cataloging, we have to adapt the system to the 
authors, and they are not consistent (ahh, imagine being a subject 
cataloger in a totalitarian society where all authors would be required to 
write books that match an existing subject heading and class number, etc.) 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pochi, Alan wrote: 

> Yes, but it still seems odd that someone who is 19 years old is no 
> longer considered a teenager, regardless of the specific 
> rights/privileges that individuals are granted upon reaching age 18 (and 
> thereby, presumably, viewed as adults), especially since there are so 
> many variations that do not come into force until one reaches 20 or 
> 21... 
> 
> Alan Pochi 
> Cataloger 
> Austin (TX) Public Library 
> 512-974-7395 
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Karen Weaver | 1 Dec 15:32
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Re: Subject Heading - Youth vs. Teenagers

Just a couple of thoughts on this, I have not followed the whole discussion
on youth and teenagers either in terms of dissected the LCSH on this, but
they are and should be applied differently certainly.  are they the same in
terms of applying to a subject ?

A good question might be too :  just how has the "normal public" user (what
exactly is that defined as?)  has a certain level of catalog/library
expectations today-??
Part of the entire history of librarianship as most of you know, is about
helping all users find the information they need--both normal and abnormal
users.   A growing trend as you know is also the expectation for a online
user to just "click and find"  and not necessarily have to think beyond the
"enter key".   Librarians and catalogers should always be ready to assist
other staff as well as especially all library users whether in person the
old fashioned way --face to face, or online as part of their work, no?

so as we can pull things apart , keep in mind also the important questions
too about literacy, education trends and yes the proactive role of all
librarians and library staff in an organization.
Many libraries have also downgraded positions and had to likewise just "do
more with less people"   so in some cases, easier is the goal for staffing
too--not just for "normal users" who want the "easy button" always.

cheers, Karen

Karen Weaver MLS
Adjunct Instructor Cataloging & Classification
The iSchool at Drexel University
Philadelphia PA
email: karen.weaver@...
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Mitchell, Michael | 1 Dec 15:43

Re: Cataloging local authors

How about a 545 tag <http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd545.html>?
Seems appropriate and standardized to me. Then you can still find books
ABOUT your local authors when they are in a subject field.

Michael Mitchell
Technical Services Librarian
Brazosport College
Lake Jackson, TX
michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu 

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Subject: [ACAT] Cataloging local authors

Is there a standard practice for identifying local authors in library
catalogs?

I was thinking of simply adding a note in the 500 tag, but perhaps
there's a better way?

Thank you,

Cab Vinton, Director
Sanbornton Public Library
Sanbornton, NH

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Barr, Tatiana | 1 Dec 15:51
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Vendor records

Seeing the question about shelf-ready books reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask: are there
any libraries out there that get shelf-ready books and accept the records created by the vendor as the
permanent record? In other words, do you consider the quality of the records that come with your
shelf-ready record good enough not to enhance or upgrade? If not, why? And how do you deal with them? If you
upgrade them, do you use staff to do so or some service?  If you accept them (although there might be
something you don't like about them), why? Or are you generally satisfied?

I am just generally interested in the kind of issues that come up at libraries who get shelf-ready books
whatever the vendor.

Tatiana Barr
Catalog Librarian
Yale University Library
203-432-8213

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