ehler043 | 1 Oct 05:44
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Re: 1 v. or 1 v. (unpaged)?

 Jana Murphy wrote:
> Our children's cataloger noted that lately there has been a significant 
> number of LC records that have "1 v." instead of "1 v. (unpaged)" in 300. 
> What is the reason, has there been a change in LCRI?

No, the LCRI still gives the "1 v. (unpaged)" preference; I happened to 
look up this RI a couple days ago. Are these records with the "1 v." 
core-level or otherwise less-that-full cataloging, perhaps LC-accepted copy 
from other libraries?

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Mark K. Ehlert
Assistant Librarian
MINITEX

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Mike Tribby | 1 Oct 15:09

Re: LCSH Rap (Music)

From Gordon Pew and MarcTruitt:

"I was afraid I had misstated my question (or would 
> "misspeak myself", as they used to say in (U.S. Pres.) Richard Nixon's 
> day).
Gordon, you are dating both yourself and those of us who actually "get it"
with this reference!  What's next?  "Stonewalling" RDA? 
"Deep-sixing" MARC?" 

How about subject strings and areas of classification schedules that are "no
longer operative," and RDA framers looking for "plausible deniability." 

Mike Tribby
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses

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SCOTT DUTKIEWICZ | 1 Oct 15:11

Re: Help with Greek street address

Thank you to all who sent help with the Greek street address. 

"Roger" at All experts.com supplied another clue: 17342 is the post
office code, so this is another means to find out what city is involved.

A bilingual post office code finder like
http://www.postal.gr/default_en.aspx may be used for this purpose.

Scott M. Dutkiewicz

Special Formats Cataloger

Assistant Librarian

Clemson University Libraries

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Sophie Ward | 1 Oct 17:02
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Computers and music in Dewey

I've been a member of this list for quite some time but this is my first 
posting!
I'm currently getting very confused between different numbers in Dewey 22 
for computers and music - we are getting various books on music and 
computers, some theoretical, but also on packages like GarageBand and 
Ableton Live etc, which seem to let you create music using computers, from 
composition stage through to performance (I think! My interpretation may 
not be correct).
The numbers I'm looking at for all these books are:
780.285 (Computer applications in music)
781.34- (Computer composition)
786.76 (Electronic instruments - computers)
From what I can see on Library of Congress and British Library catalogues, 
each of these numbers are potentially suitable, and when I review what each 
catalogue has classed at each of the three numbers, I'm struggling to 
identify the differences between them. 
In addition, there are also 006.5 and 621.3893!
Any guidance on when to use which numbers (particularly those within the 
780s) would be much appreciated

many thanks

Sophie Ward
Information Librarian (Cataloguing and Metadata)
Southampton Solent University, UK
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Re: Centos

According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cento_%28poetry%29
Cento (poetry)
In poetry, a cento is a work wholly composed of verses or passages taken
from other authors; only disposed in a new form or order.

I guess I quit Latin too soon.  All the  more recent references I find
are in Italian.

Michaele Lee Huygen
Senior Cataloging Librarian
Dudley Knox Library
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, CA 93943
831-656-7733

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Subject: [ACAT] Centos

What are centos?  They seem to be a form of poetry, but are there
characteristics?  I have gone to ask.com but have not found much there.
There is no scope note on the LC subj. heading.

Gene Fieg

Cataloger

Claremont School of Theology
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King, Jamie | 1 Oct 18:14
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Re: Computers and music in Dewey

Hi Sophie,

I think the basic difference between these numbers is how the computers
are used.  780.285 would be works discussing generally music and
computers, or computers used in several different ways in relation to
music.  781.34 would be works about using computers specifically for
composition, maybe programs to aid composers, or computers as composers.
786.76 is for music itself written for computers, regardless of how it
was composed (e.g., Computer printer music--compositions consisting of
sounds produced by computer printers).  

For GarageBand and Ableton Live, LC appears to use 781.34536
consistently.

I hope that helps a little.

Jamie King
Cataloger
Follett Library Resources
McHenry, IL 

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>  
> I've been a member of this list for quite some time but this is my
> first
> posting!
> I'm currently getting very confused between different numbers in Dewey
> 22
> for computers and music - we are getting various books on music and
> computers, some theoretical, but also on packages like GarageBand and
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Jjagenbroad | 1 Oct 18:27
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Confusion about RDA & FRBR

 Monday, October 1, 2007
Dear Donna,
     These are good questions. I will try to clarify  things a little mainly 
about your first question: "Isn't RDA a replacement for  AACR2 which is 
chiefly a guideline or standard for bibliographic  description?"
     As it name suggests, when completed RDA inrtends  to be a standard for 
both description and access. So far I believe it has  dealt only with 
description. "Access" will, I hope, specify  standardization of forms of names of 
entities (persons, families, geographic and  coporate bodies and titles) so that 
access will bring together  all instances of any entity though its name may vary 
on different  items, e.g., Mark Twain and Sam Clemens. It may even provide 
for access  to all instances of an entity whose name appears in different 
writing  systems on different items, e.g., Mark Twain in Cyrillic, Chinese, Arabic 
and  other scripts--this would be a boon to those familiar and seeking items in 
 other scripts who are more familiar with other scripts than to their 
cataloger  supplied romanized approximations. Or RDA may succumb to the lure of being 
 "Anglo-American" and perpetuate the preference for only having romanized  
access points.
     In its desire to appeal beyond the library  audience RDA may attempt to 
straddle the important (IMO)distinction between  "bibiographic" and 
"cataloging". While the terms overlap a catalog aims to lead  to an item which exists 
(physically or electronically) in a collection but a  bibliography only asserts 
that an item exists (or once did) somewhere. In  addition a catalog is 
dynamic--it aims to reflect the changes (additions  and deletions) to a collection 
while most bibliographies are static once they  are issued.          
     I believe FRBR includes subject access which   AACR doesn't and RDA 
probably will not. Or both only incidentaly when  the entities for which the rules 
for access (persons, geographic and  corporate bodies and titles) are defined 
also apply when the same entity is  the subject of a work--the subject 
heading for the biography of a person is the  usually the same as the access point 
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Nanette Hamilton | 1 Oct 18:36
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Re: Disc processing follow up

Thanks for the suggestion.  When I looked into this further it turns out 
that special discs are required (according to the Wikipedia article 
"Lightscribe").  I'm also not able to find a printer that will print on 
all different types of disc surfaces.   We might go with thin paper hub 
labels after all.

Milberg,Denise [Ontario] wrote:
> ...I have noticed on my own HP multimedia computer at home, that there is a disc label-burning program (I
think it's called LightScribe) that will burn a label on a disc.  
>
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Gene Fieg | 1 Oct 18:43

Personal bibliography

While the subject heading seems to be fairly clear about what is meant (see
scope note), I was wondering if in the class Z8900+ personal bibliography
would include either what the person had written or what the person had in
his/her library or both.  For instance, if we had book on which books Thomas
Jefferson had in his library, would we class it in range numbers mentioned
above?

Gene Fieg

Cataloger

Claremont School of Theology

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Alex Reczkowski | 1 Oct 18:07

Updating CIP

Dear AutoCatters,

A faculty member is in the middle of proofing her book and found that the CIP information for a completely
different publication was sent by her publisher.  Well, then, when she received the updated CIP record for
her book, she looked at it more closely and was worried because LC classed her book as History instead of
Ethics (and assigned the "inappropriate" headings... which would have seemed appropriate from
title/other info. LC would have had to quickly create CIP).  

So, said faculty member came to the library for help!  Hooray!  We are recognized as those who can make a
difference.  Still, I am torn about the best way to help her.  (1) I understand that we should expect CIP to
need some updating but (2) I also understand that some libraries accept CIP flatout (yes, there is some
interesting discussion in the archives about this).  

Any advice?  

Many thanks in advance.
~Alex

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