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Gene Fieg | 10 Feb 00:10

classification problem : Economic conditions of blacks throughout the world

Book in hand: Religion and poverty / Peter J. Paris, ed. Duke University
Press, 2009

Book is currently classed in OCLC in BR1360 : history of Christianity in
Africa.  However, the book is really about the economic conditions of blacks
in the African diaspora, what programs are being provided to promote good
economic conditions for blacks in those countries (not just Africa), and
about what Christianity and religion are doing to help out.

Can anyone figure out a classification for this?  I think it would be
somewhere in class H.  I was hoping for HC, but while it has subdivisions
for geographical areas, there is not subdivision for ethnic groups, no
matter where they may live.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Claremont School of Theology
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Aaron Kuperman | 9 Feb 23:12
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Re: "True crime" books

If fictionalized, it classes in "P".  It has to be non-fiction to class in
HV. The cataloger determines that from looking at the book.

If a trial is merely the frame story for giving all the gory details of
the crime, it classes in HV. If the book is about a trial, it classes in
K. A good hint is to the extent the detectives are the "stars" of the book
(classes in HV) or the lawyers (classes in K).

Aaron  (from home, and hoping that I'll someday get to work again, which
depends on a quick manifestation of global warming, or a belated
burst of competence by the people in charge of running the DC mass
transportation system)

Aaron Wolfe Kuperman
Library of Congress, ABA USPL, Law Cataloging Section

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Myers, John F. | 9 Feb 23:10
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Re: RDA rules availability

I do not think this was ever on the table as a long-term option for
access to the rules.  Under heavy pressure from various audiences for
stand-alone products however, there was mention last year of the
possibility of a one-time purchase of a fixed, flat version of the RDA
rules -- no updates, no tools, minimal linkages -- basically an e-book.
That possibility seems to be off the table for the present.  The
registries of the vocabularies, which are being developed separately by
parties outside of the Copublishers, should be freely available, if I
recall and understand things correctly. 

John F. Myers, Catalog Librarian
Schaffer Library, Union College
807 Union St.
Schenectady NY 12308

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Thanks! I seem to recall though, it wasn't just the "availability at no
charge" from June to August 31, 2010 but the actual rules themselves (or
definitions or something) at no charge with no limitations (end dates).

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Carol Seiler | 9 Feb 22:38
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RDA rules availability

Hi -

Help please, my memory of ALA last summer has faded.  I attended a
session (several really) about RDA. It seems to me in one of them we
were told that the RDA rules would be available at no charge BUT to get
the comparison of AACR2, the bookmarking, workflows, etc. you'd have to
buy the online version (now called RDA Toolkit).

Does anyone else remember this? Or am I mistaking it? I can't recall if
it was the RDA rules or the schemas or just definitions...

(I'm too young for my memory to be this bad)

Carol Seiler, MLS
Continuing Education Librarian
Amigos Library Services
14400 Midway Rd. 
Dallas, TX 75244
(800) 843-8482 ext. 2828
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Myers, John F. | 9 Feb 21:40
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Re: LCSH "alternate labels"?

Apparently it is the new terminology for a "see from reference", aka the
450 in the authority record, aka the non-preferred term in the syndetic
structure of the catalog -- providing a link back to the preferred term
-- enter "Days of the week" and be referred to the use of "Days".

John F. Myers, Catalog Librarian
Schaffer Library, Union College
807 Union St.
Schenectady NY 12308

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Would be grateful for an explanation of the use/ significance of
"alternate labels", as here for example:

http://id.loc.gov/authorities/sh85035979

Can we use the alternate label in a 650 if we prefer the term? If not,
how would it be used?

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John Attig | 9 Feb 21:36
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Re: LCSH "alternate labels"?

"Alternative labels" are 4XX see from references.  They are not valid terms.

         John

At 03:27 PM 2/9/2010, Cab Vinton wrote:

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>Would be grateful for an explanation of the use/ significance of
>"alternate labels", as here for example:
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>http://id.loc.gov/authorities/sh85035979
>
>Can we use the alternate label in a 650 if we prefer the term? If not,
>how would it be used?
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>Thank you,
>
>Cab Vinton, Director
>Sanbornton Public Library
>Sanbornton, NH
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Cab Vinton | 9 Feb 21:27
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LCSH "alternate labels"?

Would be grateful for an explanation of the use/ significance of
"alternate labels", as here for example:

http://id.loc.gov/authorities/sh85035979

Can we use the alternate label in a 650 if we prefer the term? If not,
how would it be used?

Thank you,

Cab Vinton, Director
Sanbornton Public Library
Sanbornton, NH

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Dennis Giszczak | 9 Feb 20:55
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"True crime" books

Does anyone know of guidance on how to class true crime books?  (I found nothing in AACR2, the RIs, or the
Subject heading manual.)  I'm picturing a sliding scale of totally factual accounts being classed with
crime in HV, and as they become more fictionalized, sliding into literature in the P's.  But how you judge
this?  I have a question about this from another librarian, and I'm not sure how to respond.

Thanks!

Dennis

 

Dennis Giszczak
Cataloger-Librarian
Thomas M. Cooley Law School--Brennan Library
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Gene Fieg | 9 Feb 19:36

Subj. heading: Family

Basically, I just found out that the subj. heading Family has been changed
to Families.

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john g marr | 9 Feb 18:49
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Re: Not a joke -- we really SHOULD index binding color/spine color

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Williams, Ann wrote:

> People would think we're cataloging on steroids

  We are, aren't we (considering RDa ...)  :)

  Whom would really care, except people trying to find books?  It's a 
difference between abstractly fearing criticism and objectively 
providing helpful data.

> and patrons really do value the look of a book.

  Especially if it helps them find it.

> Does anyone except librarians care about height?

  Does anyone shelving or designing shelving care about any sizes except 
that which draws the line at the upper limit?

> I suppose it helps catalogers to identify whether another printing
> should be on the same record

  Considering that catalogers would rather not have to distinguish between 
hardbacks and paperbacks, I can see why they would also rebel aginst any 
other *confusing* information.

> ... but does a few inches matter to patrons except in rare cases...?

  Even worse: centimenters, not inches!

> Shouldn't weight also matter? I bet more patrons come in looking =
> for a book by color or thickness than height.

  No doubt (except for "oversize") "size does count", er, in this respect. 
But we already cite thickness by carefully counting pages, so no worries 
there.

> And frankly, the time cataloging experts have spent on GMD and SMD with =
> so little benefit for patrons...

  And RDA ...
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Marian Veld | 9 Feb 18:06
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Re: Not a joke -- we really SHOULD index binding color/spine color

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Janet Hill <Janet.Hill@...> wrote:
> I think that Phalbe Henriksen says it just right (below)
>
> It would cement the opinion of those non-TS types who are certain that
> catalogers have no perspective on "the real work" of libraries and that they
> just like to talk about details and rules, without regard to what really
> matters.


I think if we asked some of those non-TS types (i.e. reference
librarians), they'd find indexing biding color much more valuable than
some of the minutiae we actually do focus on.

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Comstock Township Library

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