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Hi group,
 
Ended up learning a lot from this thread.
 
Actually, I feel that Grad school in US is different from what we encounter in India. Its more of a self learning, preparative course; rather than the fixed course work we see in most colleges barring the IISc and IITs.
 
The people who have a PG degree from US are valued much more than those from India. A friend of mine, after completing a degree tried to apply for a job overseas through his relative. The reply he got "You need to have a work experience of atleast two years unless you graduate from a univ in US or Canada". The reason i mentioned this is that, when we just look for "some employment" it is well advised to pick out univs in your home country and stay. But, in this era of Global Village, to attain a good standard and reputation in global job market, you need to choose amongst the best in your field, and most of those end up in those 50 states which make up the most desired destination of an engineer.
Am looking for further comments on my thought.
 
Sreenivaas.M.S

--- On Wed, 1/9/10, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Wednesday, 1 September, 2010, 12:47 AM

 
Hello Shweta,

Please find answers in-line:

Home: http://www.yamanoor.com/

Photography: http://www.yamanoor.net/

Laughs: http://ysrihari.blogspot.com/

Medical Devices: http://chaaraka.blogspot.com/

Earth: http://itshothere.org/




--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Shweta Aggarwal <shweta_gg-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

From: Shweta Aggarwal <shweta_gg-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 10:53 AM

 
Hi Srihari,

I have slightly different views.

--> That is good! We are not looking to brainwash folks at all.
People do not come to US because it provides great education (Isn't M.Tech from Bangalore much better than many schools rated less than rank 40 and yet students make bee-lines to those schools instead of Bangalore).

---> I don't want to sound harsh either. We postulate that people don't show up to schools ranked below a scale. However, I would question most post-graduate degrees currently offered in India. Of course, I am not qualified to, but if memory serves me right, I haven't seen a significant level of improvement in the programs offered in most schools unless they were the Taata Institutootu (also know as IISc for people not from the city of refried beans) or the IITs.

They come to US because it provides a great standard of living and when you return after spending 5-10 years here, your savings kitty is more than triple what your kitty would become here.

---> Wrong attitude. Our group would be unable to help such people simply because we are trying to help either with people seeking education or seeking help with the mechanics of the application process. We do not have the bandwidth to tell people who much disservice they would do to themselves if they thought of "standard of living" improvements, especially coming from India in 2010.

The kitty business - I have also joined several local entrepreneurship groups to "watch" and become "qualified" to comment on US and India, and I can tell you, the VC investments, the growth opportunities and career opportunities in India are much brighter. So, really if you are not looking for specific educational value...

Great education in colleges is a myth.

--> Nope. Literacy is the act of being taught or teaching a subject. Education is about inference. When you go to a great school, you do have the opportunity to educate yourself.

It is upto the student to study or not.

---> I would presume a student would study! Or not call themselves a student...

If a student has love for education, he can even study on a 32kbps power-backed-up internet connection which does not even run his cieling fan (modern version of burning midnight lamp )!

---> I am missing your point here. We are really happy to encourage people to learn by themselves if they are served by that. This is why we urge people to be conscious about everything - wanting to study in the US, the specific courses, the choice of schools and beyond.

Meeting people from other cultures is also not something for which one would leave his homeland.

---> That would be a person with a closed mind. A personal choice of course, not a good one.

What Ashish was asking here is about the general job scenario.

---> That has been answered - "It's complicated".

Any student who comes to US does not hope to come out with 5 patents and 10 papers.

---> Ambitions can and must change.

He only knows that he will do his best to come out with good grades.

----> You are speaking for everyone here? Our group is not about helping average people continue down the path...

He also knows that almost all the students who will be coming there would be almost as smart and hard working as himself (foreign students please... am not talking of Americans).
So, all in all, what is most likely to happen?

...

...

...

Most likely, the incoming student will end up as an average to good student.
And it is for this group of students that he wants to know the job prospects.

---> For average people? People who, in a bad economy with an uncertain future don't want to go the extra mile? If I answer that, I will sound like a terrible person...

Let us not say future is unpredictable. We know that.


----> I think it needs to be repeated clearly, just because we cannot predict, which is what the question wants us to address!

What we want to know is how is the job scenario for an average fresh graduate?

---> Already avoided answering.

Can you help us by telling how were the placements for the past 3-4 years in colleges?

---> There is no concept of "placement" in many Universities, not colleges, in the US. They have placement centers and they help you. If you don't get a job, er, beyond a point, it's your own problem.

Such kind of data would cover the best and the worst years and give a very clear picture.

---> We don't have it. It is possible that someone did some research, but it would be too generic and will not apply to many scenarios.

(I have searched for such data and am unable to find, if you can send me the link, I would be very very grateful).

---> Saw this a bit late.

About the growth rate, GDP per capita of US is 45,000 USD and that of India is 1,000 USD.
Of China it is 4,000 USD (Per annum figures).
How long you think will it take for the countries to balance out?
Also put in the huge advancement already done in US (I have heard so many times that US is 200 years ahead of India.)

----> We started this group, not trying to solve world hunger. We are looking to help self motivated individuals obtain the best possible answers as it relates to education. We are not a career help group, unfortunately. I am happy to look over resumes, forward linkedin connections, call up my friends for individuals, and I am doing it, and I am nearly certain so are some of our long term colleagues here. Beyond that, unless there is a huge demand (on this group we haven't seen it), we can only focus on helping people on a personal basis.

I am not sure how else I can answer this. I really don't care about comparing the US to India using GDP because it makes no sense to me when I try to fit it into the context of this group, sorry.

I am sorry if my mail became too long.
But I wanted to move from the idealistic approach to a practical one.
Ideal approach is to devout yourself fully in education, be the number one student and thus make sure you are the most-desired-candidate of all companies. Then you will always have job. But that is really hard to achieve. Hence we talk of average students.

We are highly doubtful that we can be the best, but we are 100% sure we will better than average.
So please give us the placement figures and demands, scholarship scenarios for average to good students. Best will have something always and bad ones will gamble with their luck. This is known and needs no reminder.

---> Again, I think we are definitely the wrong group for average people looking for a sham list of schools, an SOP they can copy, and such. I am sure you are not one of those people, because you have taken so much effort to compose this letter. Difference of opinion is not just welcome, it is encouraged.

Obviously, our idealism (or mine) bothers you. However, unless we push people toward the ideal, we will not be able to get you to focus on the real question - why are you leaving your friends, your family and everything to go to some strange land? How does that help with the standard of "living"?



My sincere apologies again if anything sounded harsh above.
I only wanted to put my point forward humbly and sincerely.

I sounded harsher than you here, so you can take back the apologies :).

The basic answer is this: the US will see really slow growth over the next 2 - 3 years, maybe a bit longer. With 10% of the country out of a job, it would be hard for any company to justify hiring "average" foreigners. We really hope people are looking to work really "smart" and hard toward a loftier goal when applying for education because otherwise, the benefits - are quite low...really, really low.

I am not trying to trash-talk people based on an expected GPA. But, nowadays, getting a job takes much more than that. Your career center at your school, is there to help you. Yes, some schools do take an aggressive stance toward findin g you a job (like RIT, I think), but in most schools, they want you to be able to help yourself beyond a point.

Trust me guys, they are really helpful, but you have to give up this notion of companies pulling up in a cart and loading you. Almost universally, hiring for internships and even full-time positions is on an individualized basis, and you have to be prepared to "hunt" nowadays.

Remember, shooting the messenger - not a good idea!

Good Luck,

Sirhari

Best Regards
-Shweta


From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 8:48:55 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university

 
Hello Ashish,

I started answering your query, but I am straying in the general direction here. Age does that to, sometimes, er, always...

MS CS folks, if you have great coding experience may still be able to find work in start-ups. I was going to post this as a standalone message, but here is a good example as to why I keep climbing up rooftops (albeit with a fear of heights) and yell about building portfolios:

http://www.slate.com/id/2265202/

And so, yes, any work experience that is demonstrable can be help.

Remember, I could say things are great for MSCS or alternately that they are really bad, but as they throw on every late night TV ad here, "Re sults are not typical, individual results may vary".

Your focus, as always should be on getting great education, and hopefully you have identified that there are specific courses available in the US, not available in India (with Linux, PHP, Python and all that other jazz, and a 386, you can learn most everything in a CS class, for example). You have also probably identified that you could benefit from spending time with people from another culture and these are among the main reasons why you opt for a course here.

The jobs thing...well that is a great post-masters goal to have, but should not be the main reason why you come to the US. India is growing at what 7%? and the US may grow at 2-3% this year and stay at the rate for the foreseeable future. Where will most of the jobs be?

If you are worried about the dollars to rupee conversion, try to assign a dollar value for staying away from your parents and the exorbitantly unhealthy "bh el puri" off the streets...

Good Luck,

Srihari

Home: http://www.yamanoor.com/

Photography: http://www.yamanoor.net/

Laughs: http://ysrihari.blogspot.com/

Medical Devices: http://chaaraka.blogspot.com/

Earth: http://itshothere.org/




--- On Sun, 8/29/10, ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8@public.gmane.org m> wrote:

From: ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:45 AM

 
Hello srihari,

Thanks a lot for your views, can you brief little bit more about the present condition in US IT market for MSCS guys and in what direction it is changing its course ?
does work experience before MS matters in finding fresher jobs ?

Best Regards,

Ashish Bindal
B.Tech-IT


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 
Hello Ashish,

Times are tough now. Who knows? Things might change later on. It is also a little hard to compare the US to India, but in the long term, India is going to grow rapidly and significantly - as of now, it's a wager.

Good Luck,

Srihari

Home: http://www.yamanoor.com/

Photography: http://www.yamanoor.net/

Laughs: http://ysrihari.blogspot.com/

Medical Devices: http://chaaraka.blogspot.com/

Earth: http://itshothere.org/




--- On Fri, 8/20/10, ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

From: ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:55 PM


 
Hiii,

I request to seniors kindly consider my query. I am grateful to you for actively providing your suggestions. 

Best Regards,
Ashish Bindal
B.Tech-IT

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:49 PM, ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I would like to know about the placement scenario after doing MS in computer science from good/decent US university. Is it as competitive as in India ?
Are american new policies affecting the fresher jobs?  What If i wanted to come back to india after 1 or 2 year  and in what bracket i can assume the salary ?

Have a good day,
Ashish Bindal
B.Tech-IT
IIIT-A






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Hello everyone,

Shweta, I think you misinterpreted my question that's why you have asked your queries on behalf of me. Anyhow I didn't mean to ask for the placement of 3-4 year of colleges. It depend on course, university and individuals performance and i don't think that, there is any generic kind of data that any one can give (Can you help me by telling how were the placements for the past 3-4 years in colleges of India? does it make sense? ). Following link have rough estimate of salary for MSCS which is categorized in terms of Location, Company, University.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Degree=Master_of_Science_%28MS%2FMSc%29,_Computer_Science/Salary
I meant to ask how's the job scenario is changing and that was replied well by srihari.

srihari's point for focusing on asking yourself that "why are you leaving your friends, your family and everything to go to some strange land?" really cleared away the clouds.

Srihari, I see myself as entrepreneur in future and wanted to go in university that encourage this kind of atmosphere like universities in California region. So how would you compare the CMU with universities in California like California Institute of Technology which are lower in rank ?

Best Regards,
Ashish Bindal


On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 

Hello Shweta,

Please find answers in-line:--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Shweta Aggarwal <shweta_gg-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

From: Shweta Aggarwal <shweta_gg <at> yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 10:53 AM

 

Hi Srihari,

I have slightly different views.

--> That is good! We are not looking to brainwash folks at all.
People do not come to US because it provides great education (Isn't M.Tech from Bangalore much better than many schools rated less than rank 40 and yet students make bee-lines to those schools instead of Bangalore).

---> I don't want to sound harsh either. We postulate that people don't show up to schools ranked below a scale. However, I would question most post-graduate degrees currently offered in India. Of course, I am not qualified to, but if memory serves me right, I haven't seen a significant level of improvement in the programs offered in most schools unless they were the Taata Institutootu (also know as IISc for people not from the city of refried beans) or the IITs.

They come to US because it provides a great standard of living and when you return after spending 5-10 years here, your savings kitty is more than triple what your kitty would become here.

---> Wrong attitude. Our group would be unable to help such people simply because we are trying to help either with people seeking education or seeking help with the mechanics of the application process. We do not have the bandwidth to tell people who much disservice they would do to themselves if they thought of "standard of living" improvements, especially coming from India in 2010.

The kitty business - I have also joined several local entrepreneurship groups to "watch" and become "qualified" to comment on US and India, and I can tell you, the VC investments, the growth opportunities and career opportunities in India are much brighter. So, really if you are not looking for specific educational value...

Great education in colleges is a myth.

--> Nope. Literacy is the act of being taught or teaching a subject. Education is about inference. When you go to a great school, you do have the opportunity to educate yourself.

It is upto the student to study or not.

---> I would presume a student would study! Or not call themselves a student...

If a student has love for education, he can even study on a 32kbps power-backed-up internet connection which does not even run his cieling fan (modern version of burning midnight lamp )!

---> I am missing your point here. We are really happy to encourage people to learn by themselves if they are served by that. This is why we urge people to be conscious about everything - wanting to study in the US, the specific courses, the choice of schools and beyond.

Meeting people from other cultures is also not something for which one would leave his homeland.

---> That would be a person with a closed mind. A personal choice of course, not a good one.

What Ashish was asking here is about the general job scenario.

---> That has been answered - "It's complicated".

Any student who comes to US does not hope to come out with 5 patents and 10 papers.

---> Ambitions can and must change.

He only knows that he will do his best to come out with good grades.

----> You are speaking for everyone here? Our group is not about helping average people continue down the path...

He also knows that almost all the students who will be coming there would be almost as smart and hard working as himself (foreign students please... am not talking of Americans).
So, all in all, what is most likely to happen?

...

...

...

Most likely, the incoming student will end up as an average to good student.
And it is for this group of students that he wants to know the job prospects.

---> For average people? People who, in a bad economy with an uncertain future don't want to go the extra mile? If I answer that, I will sound like a terrible person...

Let us not say future is unpredictable. We know that.


----> I think it needs to be repeated clearly, just because we cannot predict, which is what the question wants us to address!

What we want to know is how is the job scenario for an average fresh graduate?
y don't care about comparing the US to India using GDP because it makes no sense to me when I try to fit it into the context of this group, sorry.
---> Already avoided answering.

Can you help us by telling how were the placements for the past 3-4 years in colleges?

---> There is no concept of "placement" in many Universities, not colleges, in the US. They have placement centers and they help you. If you don't get a job, er, beyond a point, it's your own problem.

Such kind of data would cover the best and the worst years and give a very clear picture.

---> We don't have it. It is possible that someone did some research, but it would be too generic and will not apply to many scenarios.

(I have searched for such data and am unable to find, if you can send me the link, I would be very very grateful).

---> Saw this a bit late.

About the growth rate, GDP per capita of US is 45,000 USD and that of India is 1,000 USD.
Of China it is 4,000 USD (Per annum figures).
How long you think will it take for the countries to balance out?
Also put in the huge advancement already done in US (I have heard so many times that US is 200 years ahead of India.)

----> We started this group, not trying to solve world hunger. We are looking to help self motivated individuals obtain the best possible answers as it relates to education. We are not a career help group, unfortunately. I am happy to look over resumes, forward linkedin connections, call up my friends for individuals, and I am doing it, and I am nearly certain so are some of our long term colleagues here. Beyond that, unless there is a huge demand (on this group we haven't seen it), we can only focus on helping people on a personal basis.

I am not sure how else I can answer this. I really don't care about comparing the US to India using GDP because it makes no sense to me when I try to fit it into the context of this group, sorry.

I am sorry if my mail became too long.
But I wanted to move from the idealistic approach to a practical one.
Ideal approach is to devout yourself fully in education, be the number one student and thus make sure you are the most-desired-candidate of all companies. Then you will always have job. But that is really hard to achieve. Hence we talk of average students.

We are highly doubtful that we can be the best, but we are 100% sure we will better than average.
So please give us the placement figures and demands, scholarship scenarios for average to good students. Best will have something always and bad ones will gamble with their luck. This is known and needs no reminder.

---> Again, I think we are definitely the wrong group for average people looking for a sham list of schools, an SOP they can copy, and such. I am sure you are not one of those people, because you have taken so much effort to compose this letter. Difference of opinion is not just welcome, it is encouraged.

Obviously, our idealism (or mine) bothers you. However, unless we push people toward the ideal, we will not be able to get you to focus on the real question - why are you leaving your friends, your family and everything to go to some strange land? How does that help with the standard of "living"?



My sincere apologies again if anything sounded harsh above.
I only wanted to put my point forward humbly and sincerely.

I sounded harsher than you here, so you can take back the apologies :).

The basic answer is this: the US will see really slow growth over the next 2 - 3 years, maybe a bit longer. With 10% of the country out of a job, it would be hard for any company to justify hiring "average" foreigners. We really hope people are looking to work really "smart" and hard toward a loftier goal when applying for education because otherwise, the benefits - are quite low...really, really low.

I am not trying to trash-talk people based on an expected GPA. But, nowadays, getting a job takes much more than that. Your career center at your school, is there to help you. Yes, some schools do take an aggressive stance toward finding you a job (like RIT, I think), but in most schools, they want you to be able to help yourself beyond a point.

Trust me guys, they are really helpful, but you have to give up this notion of companies pulling up in a cart and loading you. Almost universally, hiring for internships and even full-time positions is on an individualized basis, and you have to be prepared to "hunt" nowadays.

Remember, shooting the messenger - not a good idea!

Good Luck,

Sirhari

Best Regards
-Shweta


From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 8:48:55 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university

 

Hello Ashish,

I started answering your query, but I am straying in the general direction here. Age does that to, sometimes, er, always...

MS CS folks, if you have great coding experience may still be able to find work in start-ups. I was going to post this as a standalone message, but here is a good example as to why I keep climbing up rooftops (albeit with a fear of heights) and yell about building portfolios:

http://www.slate.com/id/2265202/

And so, yes, any work experience that is demonstrable can be help.

Remember, I could say things are great for MSCS or alternately that they are really bad, but as they throw on every late night TV ad here, "Results are not typical, individual results may vary".

Your focus, as always should be on getting great education, and hopefully you have identified that there are specific courses available in the US, not available in India (with Linux, PHP, Python and all that other jazz, and a 386, you can learn most everything in a CS class, for example). You have also probably identified that you could benefit from spending time with people from another culture and these are among the main reasons why you opt for a course here.

The jobs thing...well that is a great post-masters goal to have, but should not be the main reason why you come to the US. India is growing at what 7%? and the US may grow at 2-3% this year and stay at the rate for the foreseeable future. Where will most of the jobs be?

If you are worried about the dollars to rupee conversion, try to assign a dollar value for staying away from your parents and the exorbitantly unhealthy "bhel puri" off the streets...

Good Luck,

Srihari

Home: http://www.yamanoor.com/

Photography: http://www.yamanoor.net/

Laughs: http://ysrihari.blogspot.com/

Medical Devices: http://chaaraka.blogspot.com/

Earth: http://itshothere.org/




--- On Sun, 8/29/10, ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

From: ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:45 AM

 

Hello srihari,

Thanks a lot for your views, can you brief little bit more about the present condition in US IT market for MSCS guys and in what direction it is changing its course ?
does work experience before MS matters in finding fresher jobs ?

Best Regards,

Ashish Bindal
B.Tech-IT


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 

Hello Ashish,

Times are tough now. Who knows? Things might change later on. It is also a little hard to compare the US to India, but in the long term, India is going to grow rapidly and significantly - as of now, it's a wager.

Good Luck,

Srihari

Home: http://www.yamanoor.com/

Photography: http://www.yamanoor.net/

Laughs: http://ysrihari.blogspot.com/

Medical Devices: http://chaaraka.blogspot.com/

Earth: http://itshothere.org/




--- On Fri, 8/20/10, ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

From: ashish documents <ashish.tra.document <at> gmail.com>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Re: Opportunities after doing MS from US university
To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:55 PM


 

Hiii,

I request to seniors kindly consider my query. I am grateful to you for actively providing your suggestions. 

Best Regards,
Ashish Bindal
B.Tech-IT

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:49 PM, ashish documents <ashish.tra.document-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I would like to know about the placement scenario after doing MS in computer science from good/decent US university. Is it as competitive as in India ?
Are american new policies affecting the fresher jobs?  What If i wanted to come back to india after 1 or 2 year  and in what bracket i can assume the salary ?

Have a good day,
Ashish Bindal
B.Tech-IT
IIIT-A






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This is to remind you that you are still a member of GRESUCCESS, a group that aspires to help people, and dispel rumors regarding GRE, TOEFL, TSE, and other standardized tests, as well as, the entire application process in general. The group is also attempting to broaden its arms with quaint research on general aspects and observations of studying abroad. Please feel free to mail your concerns to the group by emailing to gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org

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8. A final note, as you see, the group's objective is to not only help and provide suggestions, it is also to dispel all sorts of rumors about the process that keep cropping up now and then. So, it is upto you to ask as many questions as you can.

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Good Luck

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Prashanth Mannar | 1 Sep 05:30 2010
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(GRE Success! ) Should i take GRE again...?? Plz guide me...

 

I wrote my GRE in Aug 26th and got 1160... (800q,360v)... is this score ok?? or will the verbal score affect my chances?? can i make up for that verbal score with a good toefl score?? I am yet to take up my toefl... plz help...

I have 75% in my under grads without a single backlog...

I am looking forward for EE - Embedded Systems in the following universities...

UT, Dallas
UT, Arlington
NCSU
UNCC
Arizona State University
Louisiana State University
Florida State University
MUST Rolla
Oklahoma state University


Plz guide me... Should i take the GRE again??






     Prashanth.M
Mail me at: mpsince1990 <at> gmail.com

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sharath naidu | 1 Sep 18:55 2010
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(GRE Success! ) test date,is it ok?

 

hello
i wanted to take the test on oct end,but today i open the website and see if there are any dates,there is not even a single date in oct,next date is on november 16th,is it okay if i give test on this day i mean for fall 2011 admission,will it be late?i know it depends on universities but generally is it okay?and i am thinking to take toefl end of november!!!
or
shall i wait for cancellation of dates in oct,so that i can get in end of oct,ur reply asap will help!!

regards
sharath

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aadarsh_khare | 1 Sep 20:46 2010
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(GRE Success! ) Regarding GRE and TOEFL Score Reporting via ETS.

 

It's like this:

"Your Score Recipients

Score Report: 07/12/2010 - CBT GENERAL TEST

You will be mailed a candidate copy of the report as confirmation that your scores were sent as requested.
Score Recipient(s) Fee
Institution Name:
Department:
Send Scores: U Southern California - 4852

General Test Scores Remove $23 "

Is it the correct way to report my GRE score online?I'm skipping the department Name section for each university I'm reporting my score.

Query 2)

Some universities are not listed like George Mason U washington.How should I report my score to such universities?

Query 3)

Should I follow the same procedure for TOEFL also?

Query 4)

How many days will it take for score reporting?

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yamanoor sairam | 2 Sep 02:00 2010
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Re: (GRE Success! ) How good/bad my chance is and shouldn't I rescore AW of GRE or retake the whole test?

 

Hello Mrinal,

I am sorry for my late reply. I got into graduate school and things are really swamped. My website address is www.mechatronicscraze.wordpress.com

Sairam

--- In gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com, mrinal jagirdar <mrinalkj <at> ...> wrote:
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> Hello Sairam,
>  
>          I would like to visit your blog as I would like to make one for myself to publish my work. I tried to google your name but I found some irrelevant stuff. Could you please mail me the link to your blog.
>  
> Regards,
> Mrinal
>
> --- On Wed, 18/8/10, yamanoor sairam <yamanoorsai <at> ...> wrote:
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> From: yamanoor sairam <yamanoorsai <at> ...>
> Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) How good/bad my chance is and shouldn't I rescore AW of GRE or retake the whole test?
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 9:26 PM
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> Hello Apurv,
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> I beg to differ on your opinion. I am not sure whether I should be saying this but my undergraduate institution is not as popular as yours. I managed to get into a good school. When you come to academic credentials, I don't think people really considered my academics by any chance. If you talk about research, My undergraduate institution didn't have the necessary infrastructure for a robotics lab but I currently hold a Bachelor's degree in Mechatronics Engineering. 
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> It all depends upon how you prepare for graduate school. Do you have a blog that publishes your work? If not, please start one. If yes, please enhance its visibility. At least one of the professors might have a look at your work. It worked out for me. 
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> Moreover, a good goal statement in your SOP is necessary. Your SOP needs to be tailored for every school that you apply. I remember saying this earlier that your graduate school application is analogous a case that you present to a jury. You should present a strong case before it goes for voting. 
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> There are several ways to get an admit into a school. My friends at graduate school developed strong contacts with professors here by attending their winter school at IIIT Hyderabad, India. One of them has also worked with a professor on a summer project in India. 
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> Sairam
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> From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> ...>
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 11:39:54 AM
> Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) How good/bad my chance is and shouldn't I rescore AW of GRE or retake the whole test?
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> Apurv,
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> The GPA is not such a big factor man.
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> Good Luck,
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> Srihari
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> Home: http://www.yamanoor.com/
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> Photography: http://www.yamanoor.net/
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> Laughs: http://ysrihari.blogspot.com/
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> Medical Devices: http://chaaraka.blogspot.com/
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> Earth: http://itshothere.org/
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> --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Apurv Mittal <mittalapurv <at> ...> wrote:
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> From: Apurv Mittal <mittalapurv <at> ...>
> Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) How good/bad my chance is and shouldn't I rescore AW of GRE or retake the whole test?
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:47 AM
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> Hi Srihari
> I still do not like the idea of having to wait and apply, but then I have realized 2-3 things, in the so very hard way :). There are many if, then, else cases involved here. Lemme try to build a program here, which might be pertinent and thought worthy for applicants this year :D
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> First of all one has to look at one's credentials....
> If you have a 3.6, 3.7 GPA and above, and/or some research credentials && are looking just for the masters , then the ranked 5 + schools should be open to you.
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> if you have a lower cgpa and/or nil research credentials, and are still looking towards masters from a top school, then you definitely need to stay back a year, and do some activity that can boost your credentials in your preferred area of work (like for example: I wanted to do work in the area of robotics, but I had low grades in almost all of my control subjects, so I am doing a research project which involves a lot of control systems application)
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> If one is looking for a PhD admit, directly after a Bachelors..... then research experience is a MUST, which should be prior to December of the fall year before which you will be applying.
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> So basically as an undergraduate student, you have just 3 and a half years and sometimes even lesser, to gather all that good gpa, research credentials (which take minimum of a year of research work by the way), and good lors (got to work with professors on some project, a simple "did well in the class" lor doesn't work here).
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> Given that it is generally the 3rd year by which a student starts to decide on what he wishes to do post-bachelors, there simply isn't time to build up the required credentials for applying to a good graduate school. If somebody has managed to do it, well and good, definitely do not stay back. But if not, I guess one has no option but to stay back, put in some more work into your resume and then go for it.
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> I hope people get the point I am trying to make here about why it is necessary to consider before applying, whether you are ready to be applying at all or not!!! Personally I regret applying last year, and having wasted a considerable amount on the application process. So give it a thought people!!
>
> Best regards
> Apurv Mittal
> Electronics and Instrumentation Engineering
> BITS Pilani Dubai
>
> P.S. (by research credentials, I mean publications, association in research projects, etc.)
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> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> ...> wrote:
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> From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> ...>
> Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) How good/bad my chance is and shouldn't I rescore AW of GRE or retake the whole test?
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:39 PM
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> Apurv,
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> Good link!
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> Great advice as well. It appears you have joined the "wait and apply" cult :)
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> Sincerely,
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> Srihari
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> Home: http://www.yamanoor.com/
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> Photography: http://www.yamanoor.net/
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> Laughs: http://ysrihari.blogspot.com/
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> Earth: http://itshothere.org/
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> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Apurv Mittal <mittalapurv <at> ...> wrote:
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> From: Apurv Mittal <mittalapurv <at> ...>
> Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) How good/bad my chance is and shouldn't I rescore AW of GRE or retake the whole test?
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:12 PM
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> Hey,
> In answer to your first question, as Srihari has pointed out, MIT does need publications. But that is true in general for any PhD program that you may apply to. A successful PhD applicant does need to show a strong research record, be they in the form of publications, or they be in the form of participation in research projects ( that is a very ideal place to get a strong LOR). To cut a very long mail short, go through the following link:
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> http://matt.might.net/articles/how-to-apply-and-get-in-to-graduate-school-in-science-mathematics-engineering-or-computer-science/#rejected
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> (Srihari, you might consider putting up this info on your wiki!!! I feel it is so pertinent for all PhD applicants and some Masters applicants as well.)
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> As far as your AWA scores go, and according to the professor in the link above, GRE itself is given a very passing glance. I think your 800 in quantitative would be of much more interest to the admissions committee. I recently attended a Grad School Seminar by USC, and the admissions officer said that they don't even look at a candidates AWA scores. So it makes your whole worrying kinda redundant!!!
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> My advice is, if you are really keen on getting a PhD from a good university, please take a year to work in a company/lab that will allow you to gain research credentials and make some publications (even 1 or 2 publications go a long way). Then you can make your admissions case that much more unstoppable!!!
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> Best regards
> Apurv Mittal
> Electronics and Instrumentation Engineering
> BITS Pilani Dubai
> E: mittalapurv <at> ...
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> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Dmitry <sd1074 <at> ...> wrote:
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> From: Dmitry <sd1074 <at> ...>
> Subject: (GRE Success! ) How good/bad my chance is and shouldn't I rescore AW of GRE or retake the whole test?
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:14 PM
>
>
>  
>
> Hello friends,
> I am planning to apply for a Ph.D. program in several US universities and have two related questions:
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> 1) How good my chance is? In
> other words, what universities would you recommend me to apply for? Does it make sense to try to apply for a MIT Ph.D. program (BTW, they don't
> require GRE)? Please see my info below.
>
> 2) Should I request re-scoring of AW or retake the whole GRE test?
> As you may see from the information
> below I've got quite a low result for AW (3.0) and VR (440) sections of GRE. Honestly speaking, I knew I had failed the verbal part (mostly because
> of unexpectedly too abstruse RC tasks), so I think 440 was a fair result for me, but I was sure that I'll get 5 or at least 4 for AW.
>
> Well, my
> English is definitely not perfect, but AFAIK, AW also measures the ability to analyze topics and follow the structure. The GRE web-site says that 3.0
> for AW means that "the writing is flawed in at least one of the following ways: limited analysis or development; weak organization; weak control of
> sentence structure or language usage, with errors that often result in vagueness or lack of clarity"
>
> I believe my analysis was quite deep, I did
> follow the recommended essay structure (intro, 3-5 thoughts + examples, conclusion), the sentence structure was correct or almost always correct.
> Though I might (and probably did) make several (maybe even many) wording errors, they could not have affected the clarity so much. I am sure in this
> because I had enough time to review my essays and fix the errors I found. In fact, these two were one of the best GRE essays of mine. (I think I
> should mention that after reviewing the argument task I decided to add an insignificant sentence to the end of my conclusion, and did not finish it).
>
>
> I see several possible ways to interpret my AW score:
> 1) There was a mistake because of which one my essays was not submitted or was confused
> with someone else's essay. I understand that it is almost impossible. Is it?
> 2) GRE reviewers are very very exigent in language usage and wording,
> so exigent that 3.0 for a ESL test taker is a good result. Is it?
> 3) I've read several (about 20-30) sample essays in the "Answers To Real Essay
> Questions (2003)" book and my test essay topic was one of these 20-30. Though I didn't even try to memorize the essays I might (and probably did)
> recollect the main ideas developed in the essay from the book, and the essay reviewer gave me a low score for that. How do they score AW if an essay
> mentions the ideas presented in a sample essay?
>
> So, now I don't know what to do. ETS doesn't even provide any explanations to the score. Will it
> be reasonable to request re-scoring? Do you know if it is an effective way or they usually don't change the score? Maybe, having such a low score for
> AW and VR I should retake the whole test?
>
> Any comments are much appreciated.
>
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>
> =================
> My background and test results:
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> =================
> I've got my master's degree in Engineering (with concentration on Automatization and Control) at a Russian university which is one
> in the top 10 or 20 (according to different ratings) Russian universities.
>
> Bachelor's GPA: 3.95
> Master's GPA: 4.0
> Additional to higher
> education (translator of English language) GPA: 4.0
> TOEFL iBT: 107
> - Reading: 29
> - Listening: 29
> - Speaking: 22
> - Writing: 27
> GRE:
> -
> Analytical Writing: 3.0 (!!)
> - Quantitative Reasoning: 800
> - Verbal Reasoning: 440
>
> No publications, no participation in decent scientific
> conferences, though took part in several university and department technical projects.
>
> Won a couple of university's awards (one is for scholastic
> achievements, another is for leadership).
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> Quite a lot of social activity (have organized and am leading a local free English speaking club,
> organize amateur volleyball games).
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> Currently I work in a local branch of Rocket Software as a documentation engineer.
>
> My sphere of interest
> (based on which I'll choose the programs to apply for) is Robotics and Artificial Intelligence.
> =================
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> I am very sorry for such a long
> post.
> .. . .. . .. . .. .. ... .... . . . ... . .. ... .
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> type_D
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yamanoor sairam | 2 Sep 01:58 2010
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Re: (GRE Success! ) getting started

 

Hello Ashwini,

I am not sure if I replied to this. Please read through the pbwiki of this group to know more on GRE experiences.

Sairam

--- In gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com, Ashwini Gokarn <ash_gok81 <at> ...> wrote:
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> Hello Sai,
>  
> I read that you prepared for your gre in 60 days. Coud you tell me how did you prepare and books you used for your preparation. How much did you score?
>  
> Much appreciated.
>  
> Ashwini
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> --- On Sat, 28/8/10, yamanoor sairam <yamanoorsai <at> ...> wrote:
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> From: yamanoor sairam <yamanoorsai <at> ...>
> Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) getting started
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 28 August, 2010, 12:43 AM
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> Hello Sanatan,
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> We usually do not recommend any classes for GRE. It is not necessary as GRE is dependent on your efforts. I wrote my GRE with 60 days of preparation. it varies from person to person. You may have to consider finishing GRE by October 31.
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> After GRE, take your TOEFL, write your SOP for each of the schools that you are planning to apply for which you must prepare a list.
>
> Please read: www.gre-success.pbworks.com for more information.
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> We don't recommend any schools to the members as it is you may have your own dream school that you aspire to go.
>
> For the starters, I would advise you to choose your schools according to specialisation:
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> For e.g: Purdue has a good VLSI group. Another good example is CMU. CMU is famous for the school of computer science and Robotics. There are some good courses in Human Computer Interaction, Language technology, Game designing, Product development etc at CMU.
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> When it comes to embedded systems at CMU, CMU has developed its own OS for wireless sensor networks (Heard about Tiny-OS?). this wireless sensor node has been installed at 1000 locations around the locality.
>
> Another good school is U.C Berkeley. I believe TinyOS was born there.
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> Please be warned that these are opinion. Do not choose schools from my suggestion. This is how I started to choose my schools.
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> Sairam
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> From: sanatan.1988 <sanatan.1988 <at> ...>
> To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 2:35:14 PM
> Subject: (GRE Success! ) getting started
>
>  
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if someone could help me out in getting started.
>
> My profile first:
>
> BE 2009 pass with 69.78 agg(Electronics and communication)
> my interest is to study masters is embedded/vlsi.
>
> i thought of taking gre in November(not sure about the exact date).
>
> some of the questions that i have are:
>
> 1)At the latest by when i can take gre in November so that i get an admission for the fall(will that be august?).
>
> 2)The proceedings ( i.e what exactly to do after i finish my gre exam)
>
> 3) Some good colleges in USA for the above mentioned field.
>
> 4) Any good Coaching Institutes in Bangalore (Please don't tell me Princeton Review ).
>
> Any other information i need to know, please do provide.Starting form now i think i have very less time so any little information will be of great value to me.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> SANATAN.R
>

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Raghu V Rao | 2 Sep 06:33 2010
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Re: (GRE Success! ) Regarding GRE and TOEFL Score Reporting via ETS.

 

----- Original Message ----

> From: aadarsh_khare <aadarsh_khare-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>
> To: gre-success-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 2:46:02 PM
> Subject: (GRE Success! ) Regarding GRE and TOEFL Score Reporting via ETS.
>
> It's like this:
>
>
> "Your Score Recipients
>
> Score Report: 07/12/2010 - CBT GENERAL TEST
>
> You will be mailed a candidate copy of the report as confirmation that your
>scores were sent as requested.
> Score Recipient(s) Fee
> Institution Name:
> Department:
> Send Scores: U Southern California - 4852
>
> General Test Scores Remove $23 "
>
>
> Is it the correct way to report my GRE score online?I'm skipping the
>department Name section for each university I'm reporting my score.

Probably not. University Web sites very clearly specify whether or not to use a
department code while reporting scores. Did you check the USC Web site for this
information?

>
>
> Query 2)
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> Some universities are not listed like George Mason U washington.How should I
>report my score to such universities?

Don't the universities have numbers assigned to them? The university Web sites
should mention this number. Can't you look up the university when you are
reporting scores with this number? I am what you can consider to be an
old-timer, from the days when GRE score reporting had to be done over the
phone. I remember having punched in a lot of different numbers to get the job
done. You would think this on-line thingamajig would make things simpler...
bah!

>
>
> Query 3)
>
> Should I follow the same procedure for TOEFL also?
>
> Query 4)
>
> How many days will it take for score reporting?
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