Yamanoor Srihari | 1 Nov 01:24 2009
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Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..

 

Hello Ravi,

I can understand your plight. It is not uncommon, I have heard so many such stories over the years. The solution is not to go to peers of course, because this further dilutes the problem anyway.

I would still think back to your school days and see if you can remember even one Professor who was above the rest in terms of showing interest in your career. If so, at a minimum you should get a reference from this person.

The Department Head and Boss are still your best bets.

You only need 3 references. So, if you get one more from any of these folks, you should be gold.

Sincerely,

Srihari


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--- On Sat, 10/31/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:54 PM

 

Hey Sri,

Sorry to bother you again. Please comment on this post.

Thanks,
Ravi.
From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 3:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
Hey Suraj and Sri,

Thank you very much for your answers. I actually graduated from university in 2007.
After my graduation I never visited my university and my professors.( Never had time to do that).
All my professors made some kind of template recommendation letter in which whenever the student goes to them and ask for a recommendation they will just modify and put the student name and give it. They some times don't even reply to the recommendation cross check from universities. (they may not have time).
I my self experienced this. One of my professors even asked me to bring a template and he will see to that and give me a reco. And the other thing now I am in US,I can't take the recommendation letters(Physical) . And I don't think they will be having time to respond to the universities or they just don't respond!. And one more thing is none of my Professors have the university email account.Even one of my Professors had it but he never use it. So, Will Universities believe all the reco's which they got from any kind of mail ID or they will just throw it(Like yahoo, gmail or rediffmail) may be my case is unique here...hmmmmmm. .

Please let me know you views...

Any way thanks to and Sri for the replies..

Ravi..

From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
I could not agree more! Peers cannot provide references unless the University/Organiza tion specifically requests you to do so.

Sincerely,

Srihari

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--- On Mon, 10/26/09, cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:52 AM

 
Hi ravi,

Here are some answers for tour queries:

1. Position of recommender: Usually your professor(Preferabl y PHD) and your Manager or boss(never from a person who is your peer/student)
The university admission committee prefers LOR from your academic background rather than work background.

2. stick to the numbers the university has mentioned, if they have asked for three then provide only three.

regards,

suraj

--- On Mon, 26/10/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 9:48 PM

 
Hey Sri,
I have some queries regarding the recommendations. What should be the position of recommender( Standard) .
Whether universities will be accepting more than 3 recommendations?
As you know I just joined this university and wish to transfer to a better school next fall.
I was thinking that From Osmania University I will request two recommendations.
My old colleagues( My Department head and my boss and one of my peers( he is in Max plank,Germany) ) will be providing three more reco's.
here is my doubt: What recommendations should I choose?
I am working as a TA in this university and interacting with lots of students. Can I ask one my student to provide a recommendation for me. Like whatever he/she felt about me? How good or bad this would be?? 
Thanks much,
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Omkar Raut | 1 Nov 05:48 2009
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Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..

 

Hi Ravi


I am facing the same problems as yours. Nobody in my department uses university email IDs and most of the universities I have chosen prefer online LoR and thats convenient too. Sri, what should we do in this case? We can provide a phone number to verify the authenticity or should we goad our proff to use that college webmail which they never opened/liked.

One of my recommender is HOD, he has taught me ONLY ONE subject(Robotics, got good marks in it), also he knows me personally and knows that I designed departmental website and forums. But he only taught me one subject. He has Phd. Should I approach him for recommendation?

Second recommendation is my final year project guide, he also taught me one subject. But he knows about my interest in Computer science despite I am being from Electronics engg. Problematic part is that he joined a VLSI company last year and left his college position. I approached him and he is willing to recommend me. He is MTech from IIT in VLSI. I am applying for computer science. Again is this good recommendation?

Third is my mentor at my workplace, he is not manager / director / group leader. He is senior architect and has guided me on all programming assignments I was assigned to. Like me he is also Electronics engg and completed another degree from CDAC. He has not done his masters but he is well versed in software engineering. He can elaborate on my computer skills very well. But he is not allowed to use company letterhead, only directors can.  Is this good recommendation, considering that his position is not managerial, but nor he is my peer or at same level as mine.. Should I approach him for recommendation?

If I take recommendation letters from other proff, I have got just average marks like 60/65 in their subjects which doesn't look good for acads. 

Please advise.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Hello Ravi,

I can understand your plight. It is not uncommon, I have heard so many such stories over the years. The solution is not to go to peers of course, because this further dilutes the problem anyway.

I would still think back to your school days and see if you can remember even one Professor who was above the rest in terms of showing interest in your career. If so, at a minimum you should get a reference from this person.

The Department Head and Boss are still your best bets.

You only need 3 references. So, if you get one more from any of these folks, you should be gold.

Sincerely,

Srihari


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:54 PM


 

Hey Sri,

Sorry to bother you again. Please comment on this post.

Thanks,
Ravi.
From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 3:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
Hey Suraj and Sri,

Thank you very much for your answers. I actually graduated from university in 2007.
After my graduation I never visited my university and my professors.( Never had time to do that).
All my professors made some kind of template recommendation letter in which whenever the student goes to them and ask for a recommendation they will just modify and put the student name and give it. They some times don't even reply to the recommendation cross check from universities. (they may not have time).
I my self experienced this. One of my professors even asked me to bring a template and he will see to that and give me a reco. And the other thing now I am in US,I can't take the recommendation letters(Physical) . And I don't think they will be having time to respond to the universities or they just don't respond!. And one more thing is none of my Professors have the university email account.Even one of my Professors had it but he never use it. So, Will Universities believe all the reco's which they got from any kind of mail ID or they will just throw it(Like yahoo, gmail or rediffmail) may be my case is unique here...hmmmmmm. .

Please let me know you views...

Any way thanks to and Sri for the replies..

Ravi..

From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
I could not agree more! Peers cannot provide references unless the University/Organiza tion specifically requests you to do so.

Sincerely,

Srihari

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--- On Mon, 10/26/09, cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:52 AM

 
Hi ravi,

Here are some answers for tour queries:

1. Position of recommender: Usually your professor(Preferabl y PHD) and your Manager or boss(never from a person who is your peer/student)
The university admission committee prefers LOR from your academic background rather than work background.

2. stick to the numbers the university has mentioned, if they have asked for three then provide only three.

regards,

suraj

--- On Mon, 26/10/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 9:48 PM

 
Hey Sri,
I have some queries regarding the recommendations. What should be the position of recommender( Standard) .
Whether universities will be accepting more than 3 recommendations?
As you know I just joined this university and wish to transfer to a better school next fall.
I was thinking that From Osmania University I will request two recommendations.
My old colleagues( My Department head and my boss and one of my peers( he is in Max plank,Germany) ) will be providing three more reco's.
here is my doubt: What recommendations should I choose?
I am working as a TA in this university and interacting with lots of students. Can I ask one my student to provide a recommendation for me. Like whatever he/she felt about me? How good or bad this would be?? 
Thanks much,
Ravi.



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Yamanoor Srihari | 1 Nov 07:03 2009
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Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..

 

Hello Omkar and Ravi,

I want to make sure that you guys are not confusing what or who a peer is: A peer is someone, who, say went to school with you or around the time you went to school, etc. Only in the post-PhD world, is a peer, someone who also has a PhD in the same or comparative field (a PhD in electrical engineering is not considered as equipped in literature, as someone who has a PhD in literature). 

As long as the person has more experience than you and is someone who has directly supervised you, beyond the cursory level, that is, is someone who has spent a lot of time on you, and has the ability to understand your capabilities and your ambitions, then he or she can recommend you.

I would get a reference from the HOD and this dude who supervised your projects if the above conditions are satisfied in his case. 

Another thing - you guys are carrying your apprehensions about email IDs a little too far. Culturally, teachers in India, don't want to check email. The US probably knows that and stays with that.

Also, you do realize that most lazy students and their professors follow "templates" for references. You know that the folks in the US know this as well, right?

If possible, sidestep that. If you have originally scribed references and SOPs, then you definitely have an edge..!

Hope this helps. I am happy to discuss your apprehensions for as long as we can all understand the underlying issues.

Omkar, thanks for writing about your GRE experience!!!

Sincerely,

Srihari 


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--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

From: Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:48 PM

 

Hi Ravi


I am facing the same problems as yours. Nobody in my department uses university email IDs and most of the universities I have chosen prefer online LoR and thats convenient too. Sri, what should we do in this case? We can provide a phone number to verify the authenticity or should we goad our proff to use that college webmail which they never opened/liked.

One of my recommender is HOD, he has taught me ONLY ONE subject(Robotics, got good marks in it), also he knows me personally and knows that I designed departmenta l website and forums. But he only taught me one subject. He has Phd. Should I approach him for recommendation?

Second recommendation is my final year project guide, he also taught me one subject. But he knows about my interest in Computer science despite I am being from Electronics engg. Problematic part is that he joined a VLSI company last year and left his college position. I approached him and he is willing to recommend me. He is MTech from IIT in VLSI. I am applying for computer science. Again is this good recommendation?

Third is my mentor at my workplace, he is not manager / director / group leader. He is senior architect and has guided me on all programming assignments I was assigned to. Like me he is also Electronics engg and completed another degree from CDAC. He has not done his masters but he is well versed in software engineering.  He can elaborate on my computer skills very well. But he is not allowed to use company letterhead, only directors can.  Is this good recommendation, considering that his position is not managerial, but nor he is my peer or at same level as mine.. Should I approach him for recommendation?

If I take recommendation letters from other proff, I have got just average marks like 60/65 in their subjects which doesn't look good for acads. 

Please advise.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Hello Ravi,

I can understand your plight. It is not uncommon, I have heard so many such stories over the years. The solution is not to go to peers of course, because this further dilutes the problem anyway.

I would still think back to your school days and see if you can remember even one Professor who was above the rest in terms of showing interest in your career. If so, at a minimum you should get a reference from this person.

The Department Head and Boss are still your best bets.

You only need 3 references. So, if you get one more from any of these folks, you should be gold.

Sincerely,

Srihari


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:54 PM


 

Hey Sri,

Sorry to bother you again. Please comment on this post.

Thanks,
Ravi.
From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 3:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
Hey Suraj and Sri,

Thank you very much for your answers. I actually graduated from university in 2007.
After my graduation I never visited my university and my professors.( Never had time to do that).
All my professors made some kind of template recommendation letter in which whenever the student goes to them and ask for a recommendation they will just modify and put the student name and give it. They some times don't even reply to the recommendation cross check from universities. (they may not have time).
I my self experienced this. One of my professors even asked me to bring a template and he will see to that and give me a reco. And the other thing now I am in US,I can't take the recommendation letters(Physical) . And I don't think they will be having time to respond to the universities or they just don't respond!. And one more thing is none of my Professors have the university email account.Even one of my Professors had it but he never use it. So, Will Universities believe all the reco's which they got from any kind of mail ID or they will just throw it(Like yahoo, gmail or rediffmail) may be my case is unique here...hmmmmmm. .

Please let me know you views...

Any way thanks to and Sri for the replies..

Ravi..

From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
I could not agree more! Peers cannot provide references unless the University/Organiza tion specifically requests you to do so.

Sincerely,

Srihari

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--- On Mon, 10/26/09, cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:52 AM

 
Hi ravi,

Here are some answers for tour queries:

1. Position of recommender: Usually your professor(Preferabl y PHD) and your Manager or boss(never from a person who is your peer/student)
The university admission committee  prefers LOR from your academic background rather than work background.

2. stick to the numbers the university has mentioned, if they have asked for three then provide only three.

regards,

suraj

--- On Mon, 26/10/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 9:48 PM

 
Hey Sri,
I have some queries regarding the recommendations. What should be the position of recommender( Standard) .
Whether universities will be accepting more than 3 recommendations?
As you know I just joined this university and wish to transfer to a better school next fall.
I was thinking that From Osmania University I will request two recommendations.
My old colleagues( My Department head and my boss and one of my peers( he is in Max plank,Germany) ) will be providing three more reco's.
here is my doubt: What recommendations should I choose?
I am working as a TA in this university and interacting with lots of students. Can I ask one my student to provide a recommendation for me. Like whatever he/she felt about me? How good or bad this would be?? 
Thanks much,
Ravi.



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Yamanoor Srihari | 1 Nov 07:26 2009
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Re: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)

 

Hello Omkar,

Thanks. This is detailed and good. One word of advice for members - :) - don't dread the verbal section so much!

On another note, great set of resources. The only site that worries me a bit there is codecoax.com. I hope the passages are from a legitimate source and do not contain materials in violation of copyrights of the publishers. Otherwise, the site looks good.

Your write up is now available on the wiki site for the benefit of all future candidates!

Good Luck,

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--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

From: Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 8:38 AM

 

Hi


Here is my GRE experience, links to preparation materials and some advice on preparation strategy. Hope it helps. Apologies for the length of post. Sri, you can include this post on wiki.

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My preparation time for GRE spanned over 3 months very irregularly, but I actually studied sincerely in the last 2 weeks only. My first attempt at GRE was back in 2007, I got meager 1110 in that. In this attempt I scored 1420, hence I strongly believe that GRE is an easy exam and all it takes is hard work for few months and there is NO substitute for that. So here is my test experience. 

I took GRE on 28th October at 5pm. Few days back I came to know that they allow us to start test 1 hour before the time. So I reached prometric center of Mumbai at 3:45pm. After the usual formalities were complete, I hurriedly rushed inside. I started reading the tutorials and was instantly bored due to that nonsense. Closed every other tutorial after that.

Then starts the AWA section. The issue was pretty standard. In the 45 minutes, I used 10 minutes to jot down the points. Then arranged them in decreasing order of importance and started typing it out. After finishing all paras, I double checked the introduction para and conclusion para. Then I started to eliminate spelling mistakes, man… there were many. I was under wrong impression that I type pretty better than my engineering days. But I made some blatant spelling mistakes, around 5-6. So I would advise to keep 5-8 minutes specifically for checking spellings in the end.

Then Argument task, again it was a standard one. You can always find minimum 3 obvious weak assumptions in the argument. For additional you really have to think about the situation presented, then you can add 1-2 more points to make the argument complete. Also don’t forget to suggest points which will strengthen the argument, after all its free advise and most of us are expert in that :D. Then proceed to the conclusion. I would say one thing about argument task, it is easy to score than issue and all you have to do is dissemble a lawyer in your writing, that’s it. It is measure of your criticizing skills.

Then came the much dreaded VERBAL section. I solved first few questions very carefully and using every strategy I knew (elimination/ +/- connotation / roots etc.). I double checked every answer before clicking confirm. DO NOT be overconfident. Two options are always very close. In antonyms, you really have to be familiar with all words. I don’t mean that you should know exact definition, rather more imp is overall familiarity with all words, their secondary meaning and connotation (i.e. what feeling this word has, +ve or -ve sense). In sentence completion, look for transitional words like although, hence etc. Practice all exercises and try to guess the word before looking at options. You need to develop this ability in sentence completion, this helps a lot. Do practice questions from any material you have (Big book/barrons) . In analogies, two things are crucial, secondary meanings and ability to find more than once relations (by forming a sentence). Most of the times one relations results in two seemingly right options, hence you have to find another relation which presents only 1 correct option which is the answer. The relations in GRE questions are always precise, for e.g. antonym, synonym, definition etc. These are all listed in the books, get familiar with each and solve examples based on them. In analogies practicing is very much fruitful. In RC, I followed a strategy to read question first and then only the part of paragraph. First line, last line is most imp in each paragraph. Elimination strategy helps a lot in RC. Practice a lot in RC, that’s all I can say about it. The link to RC practice utility given below should help.

Maths section was pretty tough in the second half than I expected. Many questions were confusing and really required critical thinking, in some cases elimination was the only technique that could be used to solve the problem in 2 minutes. Also this was due to lengthy calculation. Remember one thing, if you think the calculation is complex, then it means ETS is testing something other than calculation ability, try to think about another dimension which will allow you to either guess the answer or eliminate all others. I would advise that, start revising all major concepts in algebra, geometry, statistics etc. You can’t afford to miss even a single concept, even if it is advanced just do it. Start early, don’t keep maths for last few days, you can do practice in those days but formulae n concepts need to be done well in advance. Then start solving problems from Nova book. This is very good book which actually matches the difficulty level of GRE Quants nowadays. GRE maths is too easy but tricky

Here is a promised list of online resources and list of books I used.

MATERIALS:

BOOKS:

Required: Barrons, Nova(only for maths), ETS maths booklet(available on GRE site)

Optional: Kaplan, Princeton

TESTS:

Required: Powerprep, Big Book(27 tests)

Optional: Kaplan, Princeton, Cambridge

WORDLISTS:

Required: Barrons, Some knowledge of word roots which you will eventually acquire when you complete barrons (there is also separate section in barrons for roots – at the end of book), otherwise pick Norman Lewis and start reading casually, don’t read everything – keep goal of only familiarity with roots n prefix/suffix

Optional: Kaplan, Princeton

ONLINE:

  1. Tutorials and questions: www.number2. com
  2. Browser based flashcards: www.quizlet. com just create a profile and search for “GRE” or “barrons”. Great site!
  3. A site based on quizlet.com API http://www.cardcram .com/
  4. Maths : http://www.onlinema thlearning. com/ good explanation for variety of topics
  5. RC practice utility: http://www.codecoax .com/grerc/ great efforts!
  6. Another good source for online flashcards: http://gredic. com/
  7. Listing of good materials available: http://amby. com/GRE/
  8. Roots : http://www.betteren dings.org/ homeschool/ words/root% 20words.htm

While doing roots it is very essential to relate them to know and unknown words, that way you remember them.

  1. Vocabulary quiz : http://www.freerice .com/index. php
  2. Wordlists: http://www.greword. com/ scroll down and see the left panel, there is list
  3. Free barrons list for Java phones(almost all sony phones which have USB connectivity and most Nokia phones) : http://www.getjar. com/mobile/ 28483/gre- guru/
  4. Another mobile list with 4800 words: http://www.getjar. com/mobile/ 15426/barron- 4800-flash- cards/
  5. Wordy2 mobile software: http://www.getjar. com/mobile/ 9269/wordy2/

Advise for preparation strategy:

Finish off with barrons words as soon as possible and then keep on revising. Mark the words which you don’t recall and then do only those. REPETITIVE REVISION helps a lot! Don’t rely on your brain, it has a lot more stuff to store than these tough words, so keep revising thy list… You may also use the above mentioned mobile softwares for reading words, I used it for some time.

Then give 1 powerprep test, see which question types were difficult for you, do more practice on them. Specifically check if you lag behind in vocabulary, if that is the case, give 10 days for focused study on words again. Check maths SILLY mistakes, remember them and don’t repeat again. Check if you missed any maths concept. Type full essay - don’t be lazy, you will know how much practice you need after comparing your essay with the sample given in powerprep test.

Start with big book, solve each and every test. You can also solve one type of questions from all tests (e.g. antonym) then pick another type and solve all questions of that type and so on… This will give you indication of which question types are difficult for you. Don’t do maths from big book, there is Nova book for maths.

Now, start with remaining powerprep test, try to get first 10 questions correct. At this stage you should be confident of your score range in actual GRE. Powerprep scores are very close to your actual GRE marks.

Optionally if you like to solve hard tests, do Kaplan. Otherwise solve few Princeton tests. Keep one powereprep test for last week. If you get less marks than your expectation in this test, you need a more focused study in that week. Do it with full concentration, sincere study in last week is more fruitful than just revising occasionally. Do it even if you are getting 1600 in powerprep!

 

And finally, ALL THE BEST to all who will be taking GRE! Don’t be nervous by peer comments about how difficult GRE is, just believe in your efforts and continue consistent study. I am sure you will succeed in getting that dream score if you work sincerely.

 

Omkar Raut.

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P.S. I just hope I didn't bore you with PROLIXITY in my email(another word you should remember ;)). Time to develop affinity towards tough words pals, good luck!

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Narasimhan MK <narasimhanmk <at> gmail.com> wrote:
 

Hi Omkar,

Congratulations on your good score. All the best for your admission process

Regards
Narasimhan



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com> wrote:
 

Thank you :)
Definitely, I am going to write about my experience. Also I will enlist all online resources that I have found. Please allow me some time.



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Sri Harsha <sriharsha24 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hello Omkar,

Congratulations!

Harsha
From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 3:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)

 

Hello Omar,

Congratulations!

We hope you will stay with the group and help out others. If possible, could you also write about your GRE exam when you have some time?

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Subject: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 10:47 AM

 

Hi guys,


This is a little thank you note for all the motivation I received from this group! I gave my exam yesterday and got score of 1420 with 630 in verbal and 790 in maths.

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Omkar Raut | 1 Nov 07:39 2009
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Re: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)

 

Hi


Thanks. Well I am not sure of the source and legitimacy of codecoax.com either. Nonetheless very useful.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Hello Omkar,

Thanks. This is detailed and good. One word of advice for members - :) - don't dread the verbal section so much!

On another note, great set of resources. The only site that worries me a bit there is codecoax.com. I hope the passages are from a legitimate source and do not contain materials in violation of copyrights of the publishers. Otherwise, the site looks good.

Your write up is now available on the wiki site for the benefit of all future candidates!

Good Luck,

Srihari


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

From: Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 8:38 AM

 

Hi

Here is my GRE experience, links to preparation materials and some advice on preparation strategy. Hope it helps. Apologies for the length of post. Sri, you can include this post on wiki.

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My preparation time for GRE spanned over 3 months very irregularly, but I actually studied sincerely in the last 2 weeks only. My first attempt at GRE was back in 2007, I got meager 1110 in that. In this attempt I scored 1420, hence I strongly believe that GRE is an easy exam and all it takes is hard work for few months and there is NO substitute for that. So here is my test experience. 

I took GRE on 28th October at 5pm. Few days back I came to know that they allow us to start test 1 hour before the time. So I reached prometric center of Mumbai at 3:45pm. After the usual formalities were complete, I hurriedly rushed inside. I started reading the tutorials and was instantly bored due to that nonsense. Closed every other tutorial after that.

Then starts the AWA section. The issue was pretty standard. In the 45 minutes, I used 10 minutes to jot down the points. Then arranged them in decreasing order of importance and started typing it out. After finishing all paras, I double checked the introduction para and conclusion para. Then I started to eliminate spelling mistakes, man… there were many. I was under wrong impression that I type pretty better than my engineering days. But I made some blatant spelling mistakes, around 5-6. So I would advise to keep 5-8 minutes specifically for checking spellings in the end.

Then Argument task, again it was a standard one. You can always find minimum 3 obvious weak assumptions in the argument. For additional you really have to think about the situation presented, then you can add 1-2 more points to make the argument complete. Also don’t forget to suggest points which will strengthen the argument, after all its free advise and most of us are expert in that :D. Then proceed to the conclusion. I would say one thing about argument task, it is easy to score than issue and all you have to do is dissemble a lawyer in your writing, that’s it. It is measure of your criticizing skills.

Then came the much dreaded VERBAL section. I solved first few questions very carefully and using every strategy I knew (elimination/ +/- connotation / roots etc.). I double checked every answer before clicking confirm. DO NOT be overconfident. Two options are always very close. In antonyms, you really have to be familiar with all words. I don’t mean that you should know exact definition, rather more imp is overall familiarity with all words, their secondary meaning and connotation (i.e. what feeling this word has, +ve or -ve sense). In sentence completion, look for transitional words like although, hence etc. Practice all exercises and try to guess the word before looking at options. You need to develop this ability in sentence completion, this helps a lot. Do practice questions from any material you have (Big book/barrons) . In analogies, two things are crucial, secondary meanings and ability to find more than once relations (by forming a sentence). Most of the times one relations results in two seemingly right options, hence you have to find another relation which presents only 1 correct option which is the answer. The relations in GRE questions are always precise, for e.g. antonym, synonym, definition etc. These are all listed in the books, get familiar with each and solve examples based on them. In analogies practicing is very much fruitful. In RC, I followed a strategy to read question first and then only the part of paragraph. First line, last line is most imp in each paragraph. Elimination strategy helps a lot in RC. Practice a lot in RC, that’s all I can say about it. The link to RC practice utility given below should help.

Maths section was pretty tough in the second half than I expected. Many questions were confusing and really required critical thinking, in some cases elimination was the only technique that could be used to solve the problem in 2 minutes. Also this was due to lengthy calculation. Remember one thing, if you think the calculation is complex, then it means ETS is testing something other than calculation ability, try to think about another dimension which will allow you to either guess the answer or eliminate all others. I would advise that, start revising all major concepts in algebra, geometry, statistics etc. You can’t afford to miss even a single concept, even if it is advanced just do it. Start early, don’t keep maths for last few days, you can do practice in those days but formulae n concepts need to be done well in advance. Then start solving problems from Nova book. This is very good book which actually matches the difficulty level of GRE Quants nowadays. GRE maths is too easy but tricky

Here is a promised list of online resources and list of books I used.

MATERIALS:

BOOKS:

Required: Barrons, Nova(only for maths), ETS maths booklet(available on GRE site)

Optional: Kaplan, Princeton

TESTS:

Required: Powerprep, Big Book(27 tests)

Optional: Kaplan, Princeton, Cambridge

WORDLISTS:

Required: Barrons, Some knowledge of word roots which you will eventually acquire when you complete barrons (there is also separate section in barrons for roots – at the end of book), otherwise pick Norman Lewis and start reading casually, don’t read everything – keep goal of only familiarity with roots n prefix/suffix

Optional: Kaplan, Princeton

ONLINE:

  1. Tutorials and questions: www.number2. com
  2. Browser based flashcards: www.quizlet. com just create a profile and search for “GRE” or “barrons”. Great site!
  3. A site based on quizlet.com API http://www.cardcram .com/
  4. Maths : http://www.onlinema thlearning. com/ good explanation for variety of topics
  5. RC practice utility: http://www.codecoax .com/grerc/ great efforts!
  6. Another good source for online flashcards: http://gredic. com/
  7. Listing of good materials available: http://amby. com/GRE/
  8. Roots : http://www.betteren dings.org/ homeschool/ words/root% 20words.htm

While doing roots it is very essential to relate them to know and unknown words, that way you remember them.

  1. Vocabulary quiz : http://www.freerice .com/index. php
  2. Wordlists: http://www.greword. com/ scroll down and see the left panel, there is list
  3. Free barrons list for Java phones(almost all sony phones which have USB connectivity and most Nokia phones) : http://www.getjar. com/mobile/ 28483/gre- guru/
  4. Another mobile list with 4800 words: http://www.getjar. com/mobile/ 15426/barron- 4800-flash- cards/
  5. Wordy2 mobile software: http://www.getjar. com/mobile/ 9269/wordy2/

Advise for preparation strategy:

Finish off with barrons words as soon as possible and then keep on revising. Mark the words which you don’t recall and then do only those. REPETITIVE REVISION helps a lot! Don’t rely on your brain, it has a lot more stuff to store than these tough words, so keep revising thy list… You may also use the above mentioned mobile softwares for reading words, I used it for some time.

Then give 1 powerprep test, see which question types were difficult for you, do more practice on them. Specifically check if you lag behind in vocabulary, if that is the case, give 10 days for focused study on words again. Check maths SILLY mistakes, remember them and don’t repeat again. Check if you missed any maths concept. Type full essay - don’t be lazy, you will know how much practice you need after comparing your essay with the sample given in powerprep test.

Start with big book, solve each and every test. You can also solve one type of questions from all tests (e.g. antonym) then pick another type and solve all questions of that type and so on… This will give you indication of which question types are difficult for you. Don’t do maths from big book, there is Nova book for maths.

Now, start with remaining powerprep test, try to get first 10 questions correct. At this stage you should be confident of your score range in actual GRE. Powerprep scores are very close to your actual GRE marks.

Optionally if you like to solve hard tests, do Kaplan. Otherwise solve few Princeton tests. Keep one powereprep test for last week. If you get less marks than your expectation in this test, you need a more focused study in that week. Do it with full concentration, sincere study in last week is more fruitful than just revising occasionally. Do it even if you are getting 1600 in powerprep!

 

And finally, ALL THE BEST to all who will be taking GRE! Don’t be nervous by peer comments about how difficult GRE is, just believe in your efforts and continue consistent study. I am sure you will succeed in getting that dream score if you work sincerely.

 

Omkar Raut.

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P.S. I just hope I didn't bore you with PROLIXITY in my email(another word you should remember ;)). Time to develop affinity towards tough words pals, good luck!

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Narasimhan MK <narasimhanmk <at> gmail.com> wrote:
 

Hi Omkar,

Congratulations on your good score. All the best for your admission process

Regards
Narasimhan



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com> wrote:
 

Thank you :)
Definitely, I am going to write about my experience. Also I will enlist all online resources that I have found. Please allow me some time.



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Sri Harsha <sriharsha24 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hello Omkar,

Congratulations!

Harsha
From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 3:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)

 

Hello Omar,

Congratulations!

We hope you will stay with the group and help out others. If possible, could you also write about your GRE exam when you have some time?

Sincerely,

Srihari


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--- On Thu, 10/29/09, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com> wrote:

From: Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) done with gre :)
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 10:47 AM

 

Hi guys,


This is a little thank you note for all the motivation I received from this group! I gave my exam yesterday and got score of 1420 with 630 in verbal and 790 in maths.

--
Thanks & Regards,
Omkar Raut.




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(GRE Success! ) File - Monthly Reminder

 


Hello,

This is to remind you that you are still a member of GRESUCCESS, a group that aspires to help people, and dispel rumors regarding GRE, TOEFL, TSE, and other standardized tests, as well as, the entire application process in general. The group is also attempting to broaden its arms with quaint research on general aspects and observations of studying abroad. Please feel free to mail your concerns to the group by emailing to gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com

1. If you have any private queries, or if you are shy of asking a question in front of hundreds of people, let me re - assure you that you are entering a group of cultured people who will not laugh, disapprove or hold you in disdain. If still, you are apprehensive, please mail your queries to me at yamanoor <at> yahoo.com

2. Kindly try to make maximum use of the group by accessing and contributing to the links, database, files, photos and calendar sections of the group. Please be discreet. I shall remove any offensive material. Kindly add to any of the relevant tables in the database. Please upload files that you think will be useful for the members in the group. Kindly check for, and abstain from adding too large, or virus loaded files. Please upload any photographs of yours that you would wish to share with us (This shall be subject to scrutiny though..flimsy bikinis and flashy pets are fine...but I still insist on cross checking! :)). Also, please upload any important deadlines that you think might benefit the group. It is also not a bad idea to put up your birth date, test date etc on the calendar. This is a group full of fun loving people and we would like to share your joy!

3. Unfortunately, our group does not have the rights to use the polls section. I don't know how that came into existence. Kindly bear with me. We shall use free tools available on the internet for the same.

4. Please try to visit my home page http://www.yamanoor.com/gre/ to take advantage of the resources linked, that shall help you in your entire application process.

5. Also kindly note, I strongly discourage any personal messages or communications across the group. I will be moderating without exception, any messages that are either low in utility, or are sensitive, racial, or disapprovable in any manner.

6. It is my earnest request that you tell more friends about the group so that we can help serve a larger group of interested people. Also, if you have web pages, kindly consider using the promotion tools to make the process of subscribing easier for your visitors.

7. Do mail in more suggestions as and when you wish and think it is necessary. Every word is listened to.

8. A final note, as you see, the group's objective is to not only help and provide suggestions, it is also to dispel all sorts of rumors about the process that keep cropping up now and then. So, it is upto you to ask as many questions as you can.

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Narasimhan MK | 1 Nov 23:07 2009
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Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..

 

Hello everyone

I would like to say something regarding whether it is imperative that professor's must send recommendation letters from their university id.
I had applied last year and the professors from whom I got my letters did not use their university id. They used their normal yahoo and gmail accounts to send online letters. So I do not think the universities take those very seriously.

Regards
Narasimhan


PS: But again, I may be wrong, because I got 7 rejects and this could have also played a role in their decision. :)

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Hello Omkar and Ravi,

I want to make sure that you guys are not confusing what or who a peer is: A peer is someone, who, say went to school with you or around the time you went to school, etc. Only in the post-PhD world, is a peer, someone who also has a PhD in the same or comparative field (a PhD in electrical engineering is not considered as equipped in literature, as someone who has a PhD in literature). 

As long as the person has more experience than you and is someone who has directly supervised you, beyond the cursory level, that is, is someone who has spent a lot of time on you, and has the ability to understand your capabilities and your ambitions, then he or she can recommend you.

I would get a reference from the HOD and this dude who supervised your projects if the above conditions are satisfied in his case. 

Another thing - you guys are carrying your apprehensions about email IDs a little too far. Culturally, teachers in India, don't want to check email. The US probably knows that and stays with that.

Also, you do realize that most lazy students and their professors follow "templates" for references. You know that the folks in the US know this as well, right?

If possible, sidestep that. If you have originally scribed references and SOPs, then you definitely have an edge..!

Hope this helps. I am happy to discuss your apprehensions for as long as we can all understand the underlying issues.

Omkar, thanks for writing about your GRE experience!!!

Sincerely,

Srihari 


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

From: Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:48 PM

 

Hi Ravi

I am facing the same problems as yours. Nobody in my department uses university email IDs and most of the universities I have chosen prefer online LoR and thats convenient too. Sri, what should we do in this case? We can provide a phone number to verify the authenticity or should we goad our proff to use that college webmail which they never opened/liked.

One of my recommender is HOD, he has taught me ONLY ONE subject(Robotics, got good marks in it), also he knows me personally and knows that I designed departmenta l website and forums. But he only taught me one subject. He has Phd. Should I approach him for recommendation?

Second recommendation is my final year project guide, he also taught me one subject. But he knows about my interest in Computer science despite I am being from Electronics engg. Problematic part is that he joined a VLSI company last year and left his college position. I approached him and he is willing to recommend me. He is MTech from IIT in VLSI. I am applying for computer science. Again is this good recommendation?

Third is my mentor at my workplace, he is not manager / director / group leader. He is senior architect and has guided me on all programming assignments I was assigned to. Like me he is also Electronics engg and completed another degree from CDAC. He has not done his masters but he is well versed in software engineering.  He can elaborate on my computer skills very well. But he is not allowed to use company letterhead, only directors can.  Is this good recommendation, considering that his position is not managerial, but nor he is my peer or at same level as mine.. Should I approach him for recommendation?

If I take recommendation letters from other proff, I have got just average marks like 60/65 in their subjects which doesn't look good for acads. 

Please advise.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Hello Ravi,

I can understand your plight. It is not uncommon, I have heard so many such stories over the years. The solution is not to go to peers of course, because this further dilutes the problem anyway.

I would still think back to your school days and see if you can remember even one Professor who was above the rest in terms of showing interest in your career. If so, at a minimum you should get a reference from this person.

The Department Head and Boss are still your best bets.

You only need 3 references. So, if you get one more from any of these folks, you should be gold.

Sincerely,

Srihari


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:54 PM


 

Hey Sri,

Sorry to bother you again. Please comment on this post.

Thanks,
Ravi.
From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 3:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
Hey Suraj and Sri,

Thank you very much for your answers. I actually graduated from university in 2007.
After my graduation I never visited my university and my professors.( Never had time to do that).
All my professors made some kind of template recommendation letter in which whenever the student goes to them and ask for a recommendation they will just modify and put the student name and give it. They some times don't even reply to the recommendation cross check from universities. (they may not have time).
I my self experienced this. One of my professors even asked me to bring a template and he will see to that and give me a reco. And the other thing now I am in US,I can't take the recommendation letters(Physical) . And I don't think they will be having time to respond to the universities or they just don't respond!. And one more thing is none of my Professors have the university email account.Even one of my Professors had it but he never use it. So, Will Universities believe all the reco's which they got from any kind of mail ID or they will just throw it(Like yahoo, gmail or rediffmail) may be my case is unique here...hmmmmmm. .

Please let me know you views...

Any way thanks to and Sri for the replies..

Ravi..

From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
I could not agree more! Peers cannot provide references unless the University/Organiza tion specifically requests you to do so.

Sincerely,

Srihari

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--- On Mon, 10/26/09, cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:52 AM

 
Hi ravi,

Here are some answers for tour queries:

1. Position of recommender: Usually your professor(Preferabl y PHD) and your Manager or boss(never from a person who is your peer/student)
The university admission committee  prefers LOR from your academic background rather than work background.

2. stick to the numbers the university has mentioned, if they have asked for three then provide only three.

regards,

suraj

--- On Mon, 26/10/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 9:48 PM

 
Hey Sri,
I have some queries regarding the recommendations. What should be the position of recommender( Standard) .
Whether universities will be accepting more than 3 recommendations?
As you know I just joined this university and wish to transfer to a better school next fall.
I was thinking that From Osmania University I will request two recommendations.
My old colleagues( My Department head and my boss and one of my peers( he is in Max plank,Germany) ) will be providing three more reco's.
here is my doubt: What recommendations should I choose?
I am working as a TA in this university and interacting with lots of students. Can I ask one my student to provide a recommendation for me. Like whatever he/she felt about me? How good or bad this would be?? 
Thanks much,
Ravi.



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ravinder elupula | 2 Nov 02:07 2009
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Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..

 

Dear All,
Please share your experiences on this issue.
Which kind of reference letter will weigh more?
The one from University email ID or from miscellaneous ID or Physical reference letter on the University letter head?
Will all Universities (what kind of) call all the reference providers? If yes, When and in what kind of situations they call?
Like just authentication or really record and analyze what professor says about the student.
Does any of your professor who recommended you got a call from Universities?
Thanks Sri for your reply.
Ravi.

PS: Narasimhan, Even I got 90% rejects. I don't know where the flaw is.


From: Narasimhan MK <narasimhanmk <at> gmail.com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 4:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..

 

Hello everyone

I would like to say something regarding whether it is imperative that professor's must send recommendation letters from their university id.
I had applied last year and the professors from whom I got my letters did not use their university id. They used their normal yahoo and gmail accounts to send online letters. So I do not think the universities take those very seriously.

Regards
Narasimhan


PS: But again, I may be wrong, because I got 7 rejects and this could have also played a role in their decision. :)

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Hello Omkar and Ravi,

I want to make sure that you guys are not confusing what or who a peer is: A peer is someone, who, say went to school with you or around the time you went to school, etc. Only in the post-PhD world, is a peer, someone who also has a PhD in the same or comparative field (a PhD in electrical engineering is not considered as equipped in literature, as someone who has a PhD in literature). 

As long as the person has more experience than you and is someone who has directly supervised you, beyond the cursory level, that is, is someone who has spent a lot of time on you, and has the ability to understand your capabilities and your ambitions, then he or she can recommend you.

I would get a reference from the HOD and this dude who supervised your projects if the above conditions are satisfied in his case. 

Another thing - you guys are carrying your apprehensions about email IDs a little too far. Culturally, teachers in India, don't want to check email. The US probably knows that and stays with that.

Also, you do realize that most lazy students and their professors follow "templates" for references. You know that the folks in the US know this as well, right?

If possible, sidestep that. If you have originally scribed references and SOPs, then you definitely have an edge..!

Hope this helps. I am happy to discuss your apprehensions for as long as we can all understand the underlying issues.

Omkar, thanks for writing about your GRE experience!! !

Sincerely,

Srihari 


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com> wrote:

From: Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:48 PM

 

Hi Ravi

I am facing the same problems as yours. Nobody in my department uses university email IDs and most of the universities I have chosen prefer online LoR and thats convenient too. Sri, what should we do in this case? We can provide a phone number to verify the authenticity or should we goad our proff to use that college webmail which they never opened/liked.

One of my recommender is HOD, he has taught me ONLY ONE subject(Robotics, got good marks in it), also he knows me personally and knows that I designed departmenta l website and forums. But he only taught me one subject. He has Phd. Should I approach him for recommendation?

Second recommendation is my final year project guide, he also taught me one subject. But he knows about my interest in Computer science despite I am being from Electronics engg. Problematic part is that he joined a VLSI company last year and left his college position. I approached him and he is willing to recommend me. He is MTech from IIT in VLSI. I am applying for computer science. Again is this good recommendation?

Third is my mentor at my workplace, he is not manager / director / group leader. He is senior architect and has guided me on all programming assignments I was assigned to. Like me he is also Electronics engg and completed another degree from CDAC. He has not done his masters but he is well versed in software engineering.  He can elaborate on my computer skills very well. But he is not allowed to use company letterhead, only directors can.  Is this good recommendation, considering that his position is not managerial, but nor he is my peer or at same level as mine.. Should I approach him for recommendation?

If I take recommendation letters from other proff, I have got just average marks like 60/65 in their subjects which doesn't look good for acads. 

Please advise.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Hello Ravi,

I can understand your plight. It is not uncommon, I have heard so many such stories over the years. The solution is not to go to peers of course, because this further dilutes the problem anyway.

I would still think back to your school days and see if you can remember even one Professor who was above the rest in terms of showing interest in your career. If so, at a minimum you should get a reference from this person.

The Department Head and Boss are still your best bets.

You only need 3 references. So, if you get one more from any of these folks, you should be gold.

Sincerely,

Srihari


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:54 PM


 

Hey Sri,

Sorry to bother you again. Please comment on this post.

Thanks,
Ravi.
From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 3:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
Hey Suraj and Sri,

Thank you very much for your answers. I actually graduated from university in 2007.
After my graduation I never visited my university and my professors.( Never had time to do that).
All my professors made some kind of template recommendation letter in which whenever the student goes to them and ask for a recommendation they will just modify and put the student name and give it. They some times don't even reply to the recommendation cross check from universities. (they may not have time).
I my self experienced this. One of my professors even asked me to bring a template and he will see to that and give me a reco. And the other thing now I am in US,I can't take the recommendation letters(Physical) . And I don't think they will be having time to respond to the universities or they just don't respond!. And one more thing is none of my Professors have the university email account.Even one of my Professors had it but he never use it. So, Will Universities believe all the reco's which they got from any kind of mail ID or they will just throw it(Like yahoo, gmail or rediffmail) may be my case is unique here...hmmmmmm. .

Please let me know you views...

Any way thanks to and Sri for the replies..

Ravi..

From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
I could not agree more! Peers cannot provide references unless the University/Organiza tion specifically requests you to do so.

Sincerely,

Srihari

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--- On Mon, 10/26/09, cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:52 AM

 
Hi ravi,

Here are some answers for tour queries:

1. Position of recommender: Usually your professor(Preferabl y PHD) and your Manager or boss(never from a person who is your peer/student)
The university admission committee  prefers LOR from your academic background rather than work background.

2. stick to the numbers the university has mentioned, if they have asked for three then provide only three.

regards,

suraj

--- On Mon, 26/10/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 9:48 PM

 
Hey Sri,
I have some queries regarding the recommendations. What should be the position of recommender( Standard) .
Whether universities will be accepting more than 3 recommendations?
As you know I just joined this university and wish to transfer to a better school next fall.
I was thinking that From Osmania University I will request two recommendations.
My old colleagues( My Department head and my boss and one of my peers( he is in Max plank,Germany) ) will be providing three more reco's.
here is my doubt: What recommendations should I choose?
I am working as a TA in this university and interacting with lots of students. Can I ask one my student to provide a recommendation for me. Like whatever he/she felt about me? How good or bad this would be?? 
Thanks much,
Ravi.



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Dear Sri,
Can we do something about this following issue?
Ravi.

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From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo.co.in>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 8:36:59 AM
Subject: (GRE Success! ) SOP proble ms...

 

Hi all,
Recently I was going through our pbworks..The suggestions and advices are very good..
But one thing is missing...Everybody said what word not to use but nobody discussed that instead the discarded word which word (new) will fit better..(Just as an example)
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Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..

 

Hi,

According to my experience the LOR on the college letter head with official college seal and authenticated signature is the best and safe bet.But, the problem these days is the universities prefer on-line recommendations as it speeds up the application review. But as far as my opinion is it really doesn't matter if your professors mail id is yahoo or university id as far as its valid and not created by you.The universities also know the fact that many colleges in India do not have their own domain.
So don't worry unless the mail-id really belongs to your professor it won't matter. Sometimes the universities do cont act the professors.So never ever try to be too smart it will end up in a reject.

Regards,
Suraj

--- On Mon, 2/11/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations..
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 2 November, 2009, 6:37 AM

 

Dear All,
Please share your experiences on this issue.
Which kind of reference letter will weigh more?
The one from University email ID or from miscellaneous ID or Physical reference letter on the University letter head?
Will all Universities (what kind of) call all the reference providers? If yes, When and in what kind of situations they call?
Like just authentication or really record and analyze what professor says about the student.
Does any of your professor who recommended you got a call from Universities?
Thanks Sri for your reply.
Ravi.

PS: Narasimhan, Even I got 90% rejects. I don't know where the flaw is.


From: Narasimhan MK <narasimhanmk <at> gmail.com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 4:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 

Hello everyone

I would like to say something regarding whether it is imperative that professor's must send recommendation letters from their university id.
I had applied last year and the professors from whom I got my letters did not use their university id. They used their normal yahoo and gmail accounts to send online letters. So I do not think the universities take those very seriously.

Regards
Narasimhan


PS: But again, I may be wrong, because I got 7 rejects and this could have also played a role in their decision. :)

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Hello Omkar and Ravi,

I want to make sure that you guys are not confusing what or who a peer is: A peer is someone, who, say went to school with you or around the time you went to school, etc. Only in the post-PhD world, is a peer, someone who also has a PhD in the same or comparative field (a PhD in electrical engineering is not considered as equipped in literature, as someone who has a PhD in literature). 

As long as the person has more experience than you and is someone who has directly supervised you, beyond the cursory level, that is, is someone who has spent a lot of time on you, and has the ability to understand your capabilities and your ambitions, then he or she can recommend you.

I would get a reference from the HOD and this dude who supervised your projects if the above conditions are satisfied in his case. 

Another thing - you guys are carrying your apprehensions about email IDs a little too far. Culturally, teachers in India, don't want to check email. The US probably knows that and stays with that.

Also, you do realize that most lazy students and their professors follow "templates" for references. You know that the folks in the US know this as well, right?

If possible, sidestep that. If you have originally scribed references and SOPs, then you definitely have an edge..!

Hope this helps. I am happy to discuss your apprehensions for as long as we can all understand the underlying issues.

Omkar, thanks for writing about your GRE experience!! !

Sincerely,

Srihari 


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com> wrote:

From: Omkar Raut <omkar86 <at> gmail. com>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:48 PM

 

Hi Ravi

I am facing the same problems as yours. Nobody in my department uses university email IDs and most of the universities I have chosen prefer online LoR and thats convenient too. Sri, what should we do in this case? We can provide a phone number to verify the authenticity or should we goad our proff to use that college webmail which they never opened/liked.

One of my recommender is HOD, he has taught me ONLY ONE subject(Robotics, got good marks in it), also he knows me personally and knows that I designed departmenta l website and forums. But he only taught me one subject. He has Phd. Should I approach him for recommendation?

Second recommendation is my final year project guide, he also taught me one subject. But he knows about my interest in Computer science despite I am being from Electronics engg. Problematic part is that he joined a VLSI company last year and left his college position. I approached him and he is willing to recommend me. He is MTech from IIT in VLSI. I am applying for computer science. Again is this good recommendation?

Third is my mentor at my workplace, he is not manager / director / group leader. He is senior architect and has guided me on all programming assignments I was assigned to. Like me he is also Electronics engg and completed another degree from CDAC. He has not done his masters but he is well versed in software engineering.  He can elaborate on my computer skills very well. But he is not allowed to use company letterhead, only directors can.  Is this good recommendation, considering that his position is not managerial, but nor he is my peer or at same level as mine.. Should I approach him for recommendation?

If I take recommendation letters from other proff, I have got just average marks like 60/65 in their subjects which doesn't look good for acads. 

Please advise.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Hello Ravi,

I can understand your plight. It is not uncommon, I have heard so many such stories over the years. The solution is not to go to peers of course, because this further dilutes the problem anyway.

I would still think back to your school days and see if you can remember even one Professor who was above the rest in terms of showing interest in your career. If so, at a minimum you should get a reference from this person.

The Department Head and Boss are still your best bets.

You only need 3 references. So, if you get one more from any of these folks, you should be gold.

Sincerely,

Srihari


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:54 PM


 

Hey Sri,

Sorry to bother you again. Please comment on this post.

Thanks,
Ravi.
From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 3:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
Hey Suraj and Sri,

Thank you very much for your answers. I actually graduated from university in 2007.
After my graduation I never visited my university and my professors.( Never had time to do that).
All my professors made some kind of template recommendation letter in which whenever the student goes to them and ask for a recommendation they will just modify and put the student name and give it. They some times don't even reply to the recommendation cross check from universities. (they may not have time).
I my self experienced this. One of my professors even asked me to bring a template and he will see to that and give me a reco. And the other thing now I am in US,I can't take the recommendation letters(Physical) . And I don't think they will be having time to respond to the universities or they just don't respond!. And one more thing is none of my Professors have the university email account.Even one of my Professors had it but he never use it. So, Will Universities believe all the reco's which they got from any kind of mail ID or they will just throw it(Like yahoo, gmail or rediffmail) may be my case is unique here...hmmmmmm. .

Please let me know you views...

Any way thanks to and Sri for the replies..

Ravi..

From: Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor <at> yahoo. com>
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .

 
I could not agree more! Peers cannot provide references unless the University/Organiza tion specifically requests you to do so.

Sincerely,

Srihari

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--- On Mon, 10/26/09, cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: cm suraj <cm_surya <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:52 AM

 
Hi ravi,

Here are some answers for tour queries:

1. Position of recommender: Usually your professor(Preferabl y PHD) and your Manager or boss(never from a person who is your peer/student)
The university admission committee  prefers LOR from your academic background rather than work background.

2. stick to the numbers the university has mentioned, if they have asked for three then provide only three.

regards,

suraj

--- On Mon, 26/10/09, ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: ravinder elupula <e_ravi105 <at> yahoo. co.in>
Subject: (GRE Success! ) Query regarding recommendations. .
To: gre-success <at> yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 9:48 PM

 
Hey Sri,
I have some queries regarding the recommendations. What should be the position of recommender( Standard) .
Whether universities will be accepting more than 3 recommendations?
As you know I just joined this university and wish to transfer to a better school next fall.
I was thinking that From Osmania University I will request two recommendations.
My old colleagues( My Department head and my boss and one of my peers( he is in Max plank,Germany) ) will be providing three more reco's.
here is my doubt: What recommendations should I choose?
I am working as a TA in this university and interacting with lots of students. Can I ask one my student to provide a recommendation for me. Like whatever he/she felt about me? How good or bad this would be?? 
Thanks much,
Ravi.



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