"we have so become shall we realize" Only when we have so become shall we realize what atheism really means. ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send a blank message to: EngFor-unsubscribe <at> yahoogroups.com
On 1 Aug 2010, at 02:15, honeybadger_jp wrote: > "we have so become shall we realize" > > Only when we have so become shall we realize what atheism really > means. Yes, it is. ------Begin Quote------ [...] Inversion is also used after restrictive words like 'hardly' (in BrE), 'seldom', 'rarely', 'little' and 'never', and after 'only + time expression'. This is formal or literary. [...] Only then did I understand what she meant. Only after her death was I able to appreciate her. [...] ------End Quote------ (§302.7, *Practical English Usage*, M. Swan) I hope this helps. Ignacio ------------------------------------(Continue reading)
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Thank you, Ignacio san. I understand "Only ` shall we realize" But the order of the words in the sentence "we have so become" is strange to me. I think "we have become so" is correct. Is "we have so become" the inversion style ? ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send a blank message to: EngFor-unsubscribe <at> yahoogroups.com
On 1 Aug 2010, at 06:03, honeybadger_jp wrote: > Thank you, Ignacio san. > > I understand "Only �` shall we realize" > But the order of the words in the sentence "we have so become" is > strange to me. > I think "we have become so" is correct. > Is "we have so become" the inversion style ? 1. Only when we have so become shall we realize what atheism really means. [Your original sentence] 2. Only when we have become so shall we realize what atheism really means. In the two sentences above, 'so' is an adverb that means 'like this', and may occur in an inverted word order in literary style. My understanding is that the word order in both 1 and 2 is correct. However, two inversions happen in sentence 1, namely, the auxiliary 'shall' before the subject 'we' due to the expression 'only when', and the adverb 'so' before the verb 'become'. In my view, sentence 2 emphasizes 'so'. "Only when we have become SO shall we ..." But bear in mind that I'm a learner too, so you may want to wait until someone else confirms or corrects my message.(Continue reading)
On 2/08/2010, at 5:49 AM, Ignacio wrote: >> > > 1. Only when we have so become shall we realize what atheism really > means. [Your original sentence] > > 2. Only when we have become so shall we realize what atheism really > means. > > > In the two sentences above, 'so' is an adverb that means 'like this', > and may occur in an inverted word order in literary style. > > My understanding is that the word order in both 1 and 2 is correct. > However, two inversions happen in sentence 1, namely, the auxiliary > 'shall' before the subject 'we' due to the expression 'only when', and > the adverb 'so' before the verb 'become'. > > In my view, sentence 2 emphasizes 'so'. "Only when we have become SO > shall we ..." I think that Ignacio is correct. "So" is a pro-word, like a pronoun. Just as the pronoun "she" stands for a noun we already know, "so" stands for a word we already know. Sentences 1 and 2 are clearer when we know what "so" stands for. Let me guess the previous sentence. Sentence 0. We must quickly become professors of Hamburgerology.(Continue reading)
> 1. Only when we have so become shall we realize what atheism really > means. [Your original sentence] > > 2. Only when we have become so shall we realize what atheism really > means. > > > In the two sentences above, 'so' is an adverb that means 'like this', > and may occur in an inverted word order in literary style. > > My understanding is that the word order in both 1 and 2 is correct. > However, two inversions happen in sentence 1, namely, the auxiliary > 'shall' before the subject 'we' due to the expression 'only when', and > the adverb 'so' before the verb 'become'. > > In my view, sentence 2 emphasizes 'so'. "Only when we have become SO > shall we ..." > > But bear in mind that I'm a learner too, so you may want to wait until > someone else confirms or corrects my message. > > > Ignacio Thank you very much for teaching me and writng that I had better wait someone else confirms. ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send a blank message to: EngFor-unsubscribe <at> yahoogroups.com(Continue reading)
Ann English teacher, thank you for your detailed explanations. ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send a blank message to: EngFor-unsubscribe <at> yahoogroups.com
* I wonder if Thursday morning 07:30 CET (15:30 AEST) would be suitable for you? Someone wrote me as above. Is it correct to put a question mark (?) in above sentence. I feel only "full stop" is appropriate and correct. Kailash ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send a blank message to: EngFor-unsubscribe <at> yahoogroups.com
On 4/08/2010, at 3:38 AM, kn srivastava wrote: > (1) * I wonder if Thursday morning 07:30 CET (15:30 AEST) would be > suitable for you? > > Someone wrote me as above. Is it correct to put a question mark (?) in > above sentence. I feel only "full stop" is appropriate and correct. In grammar, (1) is not a question, therefore the full stop is usual. The sentence has a falling intonation, just like my statement above, and just like this sentence as well. The voice drops because the sentence is a statement of fact. However, to be polite, we sometimes say a statement as if it was a question. The rising voice at the end makes the listener feel as if you are asking, not telling.. Examples. (2) You will take milk and sugar? [= Will you (etc.)?] (3) The parcel has|hasn't arrived yet? (4) You're just about finished? A tag question can go after any statement, of course. (2a) You will take milk and sugar, won't you? (3a) The parcel has|hasn't arrived yet, hasn't|has it? In writing, we need symbols to replace tone-of-voice, so a careful writer will put the question mark in 1, 2, 3, and 4 if it's(Continue reading)
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