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EngFor | 1 Jul 2010 09:23
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File - ReminderLetter.txt


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suresh babu | 2 Jul 2010 13:33
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Re: File - ReminderLetter.txt

Thank you very much for your assitance for learners and new comers.
 
What is the meaning of isolation
 
Regards
 
Suresh

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To: EngFor <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 1 July, 2010, 12:53 PM

  

Hi everyone,

This letter is a monthly reminder for everyone in EngFor.

Please sign your posts and clean them up before you send them. By "cleaning up", I mean deleting the bulk of
previous posts that have accumulated due to multiple replies and long messages. Leave only enough to help
readers make sense of your response. Thanks.

** To beginning English learners: 

Please feel free to write messages about any topic or question. Do not let the advanced level of English of
some of our list members scare you off. We are here to help you learn. Make mistakes boldly. It is the best way
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Ann English | 3 Jul 2010 01:27
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Re: File - ReminderLetter.txt


On 2/07/2010, at 11:33 PM, suresh babu wrote:

> Thank you very much for your assitance for learners and new comers.
>
> What is the meaning of isolation?
>
>

Many words ending in "-ation" are made from verbs, and mean the idea  
connected with the verb.

The verb "to isolate" something or somebody means to separate it, in  
the same way that an island stands away from the mainland.

Example:  Beethoven felt more and more isolated from friends and  
family as he grew more and more deaf.
Many deaf people have feelings of isolation and loneliness.  Beethoven  
expressed his feelings of isolation in great music which he could not  
hear.

Ann
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Azeem Khan | 3 Jul 2010 13:16
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idiom or better phrase

Hi,

I m looking for idiom which convey meaning like this phrase.....

Yesterday's games made all odds as even now

It's in soccer context, where brazil as favorites are lost by
Netherlands. So, now any team can win any upcoming match. You cann't
say with any confidence that which team will win.
Regards,

Azeem

PS: Thanks Ann for your help over various msgs. I really appreciate it :)

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Ignacio | 4 Jul 2010 21:40
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Re: idiom or better phrase

On 3 Jul 2010, at 08:16, Azeem Khan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I m looking for idiom which convey meaning like this phrase.....

You are looking for _an_ idiom that _conveys_ the same meaning _as_ the
phrase you cited.

> Yesterday's games made all odds as even now

How about this one?

"Yesterday's match turned everything upside down."

Something that turns things upside down causes a big change.

> It's in soccer context, where brazil as favorites are lost by
> Netherlands.

-) I would say, 'It's in the context of soccer'

-) You capitalized '(The) Netherlands.'  You should capitalize 'Brazil'
as well.

-) I would say, 'Brazil lost to (The) Netherlands' or '(The) Netherlands
beat Brazil.'

> So, now any team can win any upcoming match.  You cann't say with any
> confidence that which team will win.
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Ann English | 4 Jul 2010 22:00
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Re: idiom or better phrase


On 5/07/2010, at 7:40 AM, Ignacio wrote:

> On 3 Jul 2010, at 08:16, Azeem Khan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I m looking for idiom which convey meaning like this phrase.....
>
>
>
>> So, now any team can win any upcoming match.  You cann't say with any
>> confidence that which team will win.

An idiom for confused is "all at sixes and sevens".
An idiom for uncertain is "all up in the air".
An uncertain outcome is "anybody's guess".

Example:  Because FIFA won't let referees see video clips, refereeing  
and scoring is all at sixes and sevens.  Final placings are all up in  
the air.  It's anybody's guess who will take home the World Cup.

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Natasha The Bear | 5 Jul 2010 04:28
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Re: idiom or better phrase

The American idiom for this type of situation is: "Up for grabs." The championship is "up for grabs."

--- On Sun, 7/4/10, Ann English <Ann.English <at> clear.net.nz> wrote:

From: Ann English <Ann.English <at> clear.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [EngFor] idiom or better phrase
To: EngFor <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 4:00 PM

  

On 5/07/2010, at 7:40 AM, Ignacio wrote:

> On 3 Jul 2010, at 08:16, Azeem Khan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I m looking for idiom which convey meaning like this phrase.....
>
>
>
>> So, now any team can win any upcoming match. You cann't say with any
>> confidence that which team will win.

An idiom for confused is "all at sixes and sevens".
An idiom for uncertain is "all up in the air".
An uncertain outcome is "anybody's guess".

Example: Because FIFA won't let referees see video clips, refereeing 
and scoring is all at sixes and sevens. Final placings are all up in
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honeybadger_jp | 5 Jul 2010 05:37
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He knows about it a lot.

Are both sentences below correct?

1 He knows a lot about it. 
2 He knows about it a lot. 

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Ann English | 5 Jul 2010 09:02
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Re: He knows about it a lot.


On 5/07/2010, at 3:37 PM, honeybadger_jp wrote:

> Are both sentences below correct?
>
> 1 He knows a lot about it.
> 2 He knows about it a lot.
>

In (1) the words "a lot" are a noun phrase, the object of "knows".  A  
noun opposite in meaning is "nothing".  The sentence is common and good.

In (2) the words "a lot" must be the common adverb phrase meaning  
"excessively" or "till we are tired".   I say "must be an adverb"  
because a noun phrase (object) must be next to the verb. The sentence  
is not good, because the verb "know" doesn't go with those adverbs.

The verbs "sing" and "talk" are okay with the adverb "a lot" as well  
as the adverb "about [noun]".  Adverbs can go in any order.
Example:
(3) He talks about himself a lot = He talks a lot about himself.
(4) She sings about it a lot = She sings a lot about it.

The sentences (2) and (4) look the same. They are different in  
grammar.  That is why (2) is wrong and (4) is okay.

I hope this is helpful
Ann
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Azeem Khan | 5 Jul 2010 09:34
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Re: idiom or better phrase

 <at> All: Thanks a lot for correction :)

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:28 AM, Natasha The Bear
<blondetashabear <at> yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> The American idiom for this type of situation is: "Up for grabs." The
> championship is "up for grabs."
>
> --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Ann English <Ann.English <at> clear.net.nz<Ann.English%40clear.net.nz>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Ann English <Ann.English <at> clear.net.nz <Ann.English%40clear.net.nz>>
> Subject: Re: [EngFor] idiom or better phrase
> To: EngFor <at> yahoogroups.com <EngFor%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 4:00 PM
>
>
>
>
> On 5/07/2010, at 7:40 AM, Ignacio wrote:
>
> > On 3 Jul 2010, at 08:16, Azeem Khan wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I m looking for idiom which convey meaning like this phrase.....
> >
> >
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