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Owen Cramer | 1 May 2011 02:36
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Re: The opposite of Cassandra

Right; but nobody reads the Glad novels any more or knows anything about Pollyanna per se. Panglossian is a
brilliant addition to this, better than Pollyannaish, and I'd certainly go with that.
OC
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Subject: Re: The opposite of Cassandra

Owen Cramer wrote:
> In terms of a serious proverbial opposite, how about Pollyanna?

But Pollyanna does walk again (at least in the book, not to mention
the 12 sequels).

Many thanks to all who replied. Of all the suggestions, Jeffrey
Gibson's, of the temple prophets opposing Jeremiah, seems nearest the
mark, but too obscure for readers who have forgotten their Old
Testament, if they ever knew it. Taking the Delphic oracle at face
value is close, but it was the fault of those who consulted her rather
than of the oracle herself. Same with Agamemnon.

My girlfriend brilliantly suggested Dr Pangloss. I had been wondering
about André Maginot. Neither is exactly a prophet, of course.

RH
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Campanian Society, Inc. | 1 May 2011 04:43
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Books on Vergil, Pindar, Women, Greek and Latin Lyric, Cornell Series Books

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david meadows | 1 May 2011 13:00
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Re: brain cramp

No ... it was definitely a british cartoon ... thanks though.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Susann Lusnia <slusnia <at> tulane.edu> wrote:

> David,
>
> Was it this?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythic_Warriors
>
> Susann S. Lusnia
> Department of Classical Studies
>
> email: slusnia <at> tulane.edu
> tel. 504.862.3078
> fax  504.862.8736
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:35 AM, david meadows wrote:
>
> > okay ... i've been trying to remember the name of this cartoon about
> greek
> > myths and the like for ages now; it came out in the nineties and seemed
> to
> > be from the UK. it's artwork looked kind of like the artwork in
> present-day
> > redbull commercials. i keep thinking 'gods of olympus' but that isn't
> right,
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John M. McMahon | 1 May 2011 13:35
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General Interest/OT: Op-ed on teaching, educational quality and salaries

While we're at it ...

NYT 4/30/11:

"The High Cost of Low Teacher Salaries"

"When we don’t get the results we want in our military endeavors, we
don’t blame the soldiers. We don’t say, 'It’s these lazy soldiers and
their bloated benefits plans! That’s why we haven’t done better in
Afghanistan!' No, if the results aren’t there, we blame the planners.
We blame the generals, the secretary of defense, the Joint Chiefs of
Staff. No one contemplates blaming the men and women fighting every
day in the trenches for little pay and scant recognition.

And yet in education we do just that. When we don’t like the way our
students score on international standardized tests, we blame the
teachers. When we don’t like the way particular schools perform, we
blame the teachers and restrict their resources.

Compare this with our approach to our military: when results on the
ground are not what we hoped, we think of ways to better support
soldiers. We try to give them better tools, better weapons, better
protection, better training. And when recruiting is down, we offer
incentives."

[snip]

"The consulting firm McKinsey recently examined how we might attract
and retain a talented teaching force. The study compared the treatment
of teachers here and in the three countries that perform best on
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Robert White | 1 May 2011 16:51
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Re: General Interest/OT: Op-ed on teaching, educational quality and salaries

Hmmm....

Shouldn't it be students = soldiers?

Better...
Students : Prisoners :: Teachers : Prison Guards
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704132204576285471510530398.html>

Bob White


On Sun, 1 May 2011 07:35:49 -0400, John M. McMahon wrote:
> While we're at it ...
> 
> NYT 4/30/11:
> 
> "The High Cost of Low Teacher Salaries"
> 
> "When we don’t get the results we want in our military endeavors, we
> don’t blame the soldiers. We don’t say, 'It’s these lazy soldiers and
> their bloated benefits plans! That’s why we haven’t done better in
> Afghanistan!' No, if the results aren’t there, we blame the planners.
> We blame the generals, the secretary of defense, the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff. No one contemplates blaming the men and women fighting every
> day in the trenches for little pay and scant recognition.
> 
> And yet in education we do just that. When we don’t like the way our
> students score on international standardized tests, we blame the
> teachers. When we don’t like the way particular schools perform, we
> blame the teachers and restrict their resources.
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John M. McMahon | 1 May 2011 17:04
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Re: General Interest/OT: Op-ed on teaching, educational quality and salaries

On 5/1/11, Robert White <dtd916 <at> mindspring.com> wrote:

> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704132204576285471510530398.html>

= "California Prison Academy: Better Than a Harvard Degree" WSJ (4/30/11)

Yeah, OK. But what about June, July and August?

OTOH, since we're privatizing prisons, maybe we could ....  ;-)

JMM / LMC
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Ricky Torrey | 1 May 2011 17:53
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Re: OT: aiding students with disabilities

Thanks to Judith and John for the helpful replies!

Best regards,
RT
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lorenzo smerillo | 1 May 2011 21:25
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Re: General Interest/OT: Op-ed on teaching, educational quality and salaries

Students, or pupils are more accurately analogous to a physician's patients.
They have a disease, ignorance, which can be cured. If, however, they are
afflicted with stupidity, which is incurable but unfortunately not fatal,
the prudent teacher will encourage the pupil to enter politics, and thus
institutionalise the disease.

One related problem is that the pupil's parents are often politicians.

feliciter.

2011/5/1 Robert White <dtd916 <at> mindspring.com>

> Hmmm....
>
> Shouldn't it be students = soldiers?
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Stephanie Budin | 2 May 2011 00:19
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KUDOS: For George Bass

    Good news all around!  -Stephanie Budin

 From <http://www.theeagle.com/am/Former-A-amp-amp-M-prof-honored>:
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Former A&M prof, nautical archaeology expert honored
By MICHELLE CASADY
michelle.casady <at> theeagle.com

A man widely regarded as the father of underwater archaeology, former
Texas A&M professor George Bass, recently received the highest honor
from the Archaeological Institute of America.

He traveled to New York City this week to receive the Bandelier Award
for Service to Archaeology. His role in legitimizing underwater
archaeology as a scientific field played a large part in his
recognition by the AIA, according to a news release from the
organization.

"The AIA is the preeminent archaeological body in the world and to
receive their highest award is a nice cap on my career," Bass wrote in
response to emailed questions.

The distinction will be added to a long list of achievements Bass has
realized in his 50-year diving career: He's discovered the world's
oldest book, excavated the world's oldest ship (3,300 years old), was
the first to locate an ancient wreck using sonar technology, and in
2001 received the National Medal of Science Award from President
George W. Bush for "pioneering ocean technology and creating a new
branch of scholarship, nautical archaeology."
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Stephanie Budin | 2 May 2011 17:44
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Not Dorian but Achaean

    Hi, All!

    Does anyone remember a citation for a story about a priestess who  
barred a general entrance to a temple on the grounds that Dorians were  
not allowed, to which the general replied that he was not Dorian, but  
Achaean?  I cannot for the life of me remember any other details.

    Many thanks in advance!
    Stephanie Budin

"All the characters, human or otherwise, are imaginary, excepting only certain
of the faerie folk, whom it might be unwise to offend by casting doubts on
their existence. Or lack thereof."  -Neil Gaiman
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