1 Dec 2009 01:27
1 Dec 2009 01:41
Re: The Classical World and Opera...
Marianne McDonald <mmcdonald <at> UCSD.EDU>
2009-12-01 00:41:11 GMT
2009-12-01 00:41:11 GMT
YES....MY BOOK: SING SORROW: HISTORY, CLASSIS, HISTORY AND HEROINES IN OPERA GREENWOOD PRESS 2001......AND THE HEROINES ARE NOTHING WITHOUT THE MEN AND THE CONTEXTS....I ALSO HAVE AN APPENDIX OF OPERAS BASED ON THE CLASSICS... OPERA QUARTERLY SAID IT SHOULD BE A TEXT BOOK.....(SOMETHING THAT UNIVERSITIES SOMETIMES DON'T CONSIDER IMPORTANT). I WROTE IT, AS I HAVE OTHERS (LIKE THE LIVING ART OF GREEK TRAGEDY, UNIVERSITY OF INDIANA, 2003) TO USE IN MY CLASSES (I TEACH IN A DEPARTMENT OF THEATRE, AND THE CLASSICS PROGRAM....MY PH.D. WAS IN CLASSICS)....SO I WANT SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE IN THEATRE...STAGING...SPECTACLE...MUSIC...YES AND PLOT, CHARACTERIZATION AND THOUGHT AND LANGUAGE, AS ARISTOTLE SUGGESTED. I TRACE THE FLORENTINE CAMARATA AND HOW THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE REVIVING GREEK TRAGEDY...AS NIETZSCHE ALSO ILLUSTRATED.... HOPE THIS HELPS.... On 11/30/09 4:27 PM, "alvaresj" <alvaresj <at> MAIL.MONTCLAIR.EDU> wrote: > Been watching a lot of opera clips on YouTube recently. The thought just > came to me -- would anybody know of an English-language book on > something like "The Classical World in Opera"? > > -- Jean Alvares
1 Dec 2009 01:42
Re: The Classical World and Opera...
alvaresj <alvaresj <at> MAIL.MONTCLAIR.EDU>
2009-12-01 00:42:39 GMT
2009-12-01 00:42:39 GMT
Thanks so, so much!!!!!!! Definitely these are a must have! -- Jean Alvares Marianne McDonald wrote: > YES....MY BOOK: SING SORROW: HISTORY, CLASSIS, HISTORY AND HEROINES IN OPERA > GREENWOOD PRESS 2001......AND THE HEROINES ARE NOTHING WITHOUT THE MEN AND > THE CONTEXTS....I ALSO HAVE AN APPENDIX OF OPERAS BASED ON THE CLASSICS... > OPERA QUARTERLY SAID IT SHOULD BE A TEXT BOOK.....(SOMETHING THAT > UNIVERSITIES SOMETIMES DON'T CONSIDER IMPORTANT). I WROTE IT, AS I HAVE > OTHERS (LIKE THE LIVING ART OF GREEK TRAGEDY, UNIVERSITY OF INDIANA, 2003) > TO USE IN MY CLASSES (I TEACH IN A DEPARTMENT OF THEATRE, AND THE CLASSICS > PROGRAM....MY PH.D. WAS IN CLASSICS)....SO I WANT SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE IN > THEATRE...STAGING...SPECTACLE...MUSIC...YES AND PLOT, CHARACTERIZATION AND > THOUGHT AND LANGUAGE, AS ARISTOTLE SUGGESTED. I TRACE THE FLORENTINE > CAMARATA AND HOW THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE REVIVING GREEK TRAGEDY...AS > NIETZSCHE ALSO ILLUSTRATED.... > > HOPE THIS HELPS.... > > > On 11/30/09 4:27 PM, "alvaresj" <alvaresj <at> MAIL.MONTCLAIR.EDU> wrote: > > >> Been watching a lot of opera clips on YouTube recently. The thought just >> came to me -- would anybody know of an English-language book on >> something like "The Classical World in Opera"? >> >> -- Jean Alvares >>(Continue reading)
1 Dec 2009 02:58
Re: The Classical World and Opera...
Marianne McDonald <mmcdonald <at> UCSD.EDU>
2009-12-01 01:58:35 GMT
2009-12-01 01:58:35 GMT
I appreciate that! Thanks for your graciousness! Marianne On 11/30/09 4:42 PM, "alvaresj" <alvaresj <at> MAIL.MONTCLAIR.EDU> wrote: > Thanks so, so much!!!!!!! Definitely these are a must have! > > -- Jean Alvares > > Marianne McDonald wrote: >> YES....MY BOOK: SING SORROW: HISTORY, CLASSIS, HISTORY AND HEROINES IN OPERA >> GREENWOOD PRESS 2001......AND THE HEROINES ARE NOTHING WITHOUT THE MEN AND >> THE CONTEXTS....I ALSO HAVE AN APPENDIX OF OPERAS BASED ON THE CLASSICS... >> OPERA QUARTERLY SAID IT SHOULD BE A TEXT BOOK.....(SOMETHING THAT >> UNIVERSITIES SOMETIMES DON'T CONSIDER IMPORTANT). I WROTE IT, AS I HAVE >> OTHERS (LIKE THE LIVING ART OF GREEK TRAGEDY, UNIVERSITY OF INDIANA, 2003) >> TO USE IN MY CLASSES (I TEACH IN A DEPARTMENT OF THEATRE, AND THE CLASSICS >> PROGRAM....MY PH.D. WAS IN CLASSICS)....SO I WANT SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE IN >> THEATRE...STAGING...SPECTACLE...MUSIC...YES AND PLOT, CHARACTERIZATION AND >> THOUGHT AND LANGUAGE, AS ARISTOTLE SUGGESTED. I TRACE THE FLORENTINE >> CAMARATA AND HOW THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE REVIVING GREEK TRAGEDY...AS >> NIETZSCHE ALSO ILLUSTRATED.... >> >> HOPE THIS HELPS.... >> >> >> On 11/30/09 4:27 PM, "alvaresj" <alvaresj <at> MAIL.MONTCLAIR.EDU> wrote: >> >> >>> Been watching a lot of opera clips on YouTube recently. The thought just(Continue reading)
1 Dec 2009 01:59
Re: The Classical World and Opera...
Ralph Hancock <ralph.hancock <at> GOOGLEMAIL.COM>
2009-12-01 00:59:14 GMT
2009-12-01 00:59:14 GMT
Jean Alvares wrote: > Been watching a lot of opera clips on YouTube recently. The thought just > came to me -- would anybody know of an English-language book on > something like "The Classical World in Opera"? Interested in this too, since I realised that Monteverdi thought of his operas as a direct continuation of the music-accompanied dramas of the ancient world. But I can't find much. There is this article: Michael Ewens, 'Opera from the Greek: Studies in the poetics of appropriation', 2007 http://ml.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/90/4/695 Full text online, requires subscription (which your university might have anyway): http://ml.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/90/4/695 and a book: Robert C. Ketterer, _Ancient Rome in Early Opera_, U Illinois Press 2008 http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/62hzq4bg9780252033780.html I never thought I'd say this, but over to you, J.L. Speranza ... RH
1 Dec 2009 14:06
General Interest: The Ideal Teacher (w/some cc)
John M. McMahon <mcmahon <at> LEMOYNE.EDU>
2009-12-01 13:06:07 GMT
2009-12-01 13:06:07 GMT
IHE 12/1/09: "An Ideal Teacher" "I used to strive to be an ideal teacher, but I gave up, because not only could I not satisfy a single classroom, I couldn¹t even maintain my ideality for smitten students who took me for a second course. If there were a teacher-god in Greek mythology, I would worship at that temple for guidance. Mentor, of course, is ideal, and he was ideal for Odysseus and Telemachos alike. But remember that Athena herself has to impersonate Mentor in order to instruct Telemachos. To be the ideal teacher of my students, who have come from all over the globe to our Brooklyn community college with various beliefs about teaching and learning, they would all have to have a hand in creating me. What a magnificent creature I would be! Ideal Teacher is fluent in the first language of all of his students. He can explain arcane English grammar backwards and forwards and compare it to Mandarin or French; he sees the parallels of all human utterance. His thing isn¹t language so much as divining the incomprehension each student has in her way. Ideal Teacher is continually murmuring 'Ah!' as he surveys the classroom. 'I see!' And he utters the perfect words (or projects the perfect expression from his twinkling face), and the enlightened student swoons, almost melts, with happy comprehension." More: http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2009/12/01/blaisdell JMM / LMC(Continue reading)
1 Dec 2009 13:51
Il tenore della catarsi
J. L. Speranza <Jlsperanza <at> AOL.COM>
2009-12-01 12:51:23 GMT
2009-12-01 12:51:23 GMT
transpontine melodrama, and opera greco-romana In a message dated 12/1/2009 3:00:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, LISTSERV <at> LSV.UKY.EDU writes: Interested in this too, since I realised that Monteverdi thought of his operas as a direct continuation of the music-accompanied dramas of the ancient world. But I can't find much... [O]ver to you, J.L. Speranza. --- Thanks. Alvares, Alvarez, etc. I advise a check with the archives. My contributions to CLASSICS-L have been 'microscopic' rather than macroscopic, so I suppose they will work in a search engine if you are into a SPECIFIC query as to a SPECIFIC opera. --- I have exchanged thoughts with McDonald. I haven't read her latest, but I will. Since she seemed to be SCREAMING to me! (Just joking). --- I have also reviewed a Bryn Mawr review (very "poor" book on opera and the classics). My contributions I called "opera greca" and "opera romana" basically. I tried to provide headers of a systematic nature, usually starting with 'opera'. --- I have provided in some cases chronologies for SPECIFIC heroes. I recall my post on ERACLE, to have a lister say that I have omitted an opera by Handel -- in ENGLISH! when indeed my goal was to list ONLY Italian-language operas. --- But of course Hancock is _wrong_ (just joking). It was Galileo who theorised about this and that. Monteverdi is what we call an 'outsider'. It was the Camerata Florentina. Oddly, it is said that the 'soul' of this(Continue reading)
1 Dec 2009 14:56
Re: The Classical World and Opera...
Amanda Wrigley <a-wrigley <at> NORTHWESTERN.EDU>
2009-12-01 13:56:46 GMT
2009-12-01 13:56:46 GMT
Re the classical world and opera thread, the following forthcoming volume may also be of interest: Ancient Drama in Music for the Modern Stage Edited by Peter Brown and Suzana Ograjensek 450 pages | 20 in-text illustrations | 234x156mm 978-0-19-955855-1 | Hardback | August 2010 (estimated) Oxford University Press 1: Roger Savage: Precursors, Precedents, Pretexts: the Institutions of Greco-Roman Theatre and the Development of European Opera 2: Michele Napolitano: Greek Tragedy and Opera: Notes on a Marriage Manqué 3: Jason Geary: Incidental Music and the Revival of Greek Tragedy from the Italian Renaissance to German Romanticism 4: Wendy Heller: Phaedra's Handmaiden: Tragedy as Comedy and Spectacle in Seventeenth-Century Opera 5: Jennifer Thorp: Dance in Lully's Alceste 6: Amy Wygant: The Ghost of Alcestis 7: Suzana Ograjensek: The Rise and Fall of Andromache on the Operatic Stage, 1660s-1820s 8: Robert C. Ketterer: Opera Librettos and Greek Tragedy in Eighteenth-Century Venice: The Case of Agostino Piovene 9: Reinhard Strohm: Ancient Tragedy in Opera, and the Operatic Début of Oedipus the King (Munich, 1729) 10: Michael Burden: Establishing a text, securing a reputation: Metastasio's Use of Aristotle(Continue reading)
1 Dec 2009 16:34
Rome resources
John Isles <jisles <at> HUGHES.NET>
2009-12-01 15:34:38 GMT
2009-12-01 15:34:38 GMT
We are planning to spend some time in Rome each year. I have two questions for members of this invariably well-informed list. Is there a recommended publication (first choice) or website (second) that would keep us up to date on museum exhibits, sites newly opened to the public, changed opening hours, and other such matters? We have the guidebooks, but is there a periodical? Is there a single-volume vade mecum to wildlife in the area of Rome? My searches on Amazon.com have been unfruitful. In both cases, no language barrier would be insurmountable. In fact Italian would be welcomed. Many thanks in anticipation. ------------------------------------------- John Isles Hanover, Michigan North American Secretary, The Webb Deep-Sky Society www.webbdeepsky.com 'Caeli scrutamur plagas'
1 Dec 2009 17:55
Re: Rome resources
Susann Lusnia <slusnia <at> TULANE.EDU>
2009-12-01 16:55:26 GMT
2009-12-01 16:55:26 GMT
Musei Capitolini (English site: http://en.museicapitolini.org/) for all their current and upcoming exhibits. If you're comfortable dealing with Italian, then use La Repubblica's Roma page: http://roma.repubblica.it/ In English publications on newsstands, there are: 1) The Roman Forum (http://www.theromanforum.com/), which I used this past summer. It is chock full of info on events, including special openings of archaeological and other sites. 2) Wanted in Rome (http://www.wantedinrome.com/) -- I haven't used this in a while, but I used to use it all the time back in the 90s, when it was the main publication for English speakers in Rome. I think it's still available on newsstands, though I'm not certain. On their website, look at the "Channels" in the left hand menu bar. The "What's On..." link will give you a way to search what events in a variety of categories. Enjoy! ----- Dr. Susann Lusnia slusnia <at> tulane.edu Classical Studies Tulane University 504-862-3078 On Dec 1, 2009, at 9:34 AM, John Isles wrote: > We are planning to spend some time in Rome each year. I have two questions > for members of this invariably well-informed list. > > Is there a recommended publication (first choice) or website (second) that > would keep us up to date on museum exhibits, sites newly opened to the(Continue reading)
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