General Interest: Egyptian monuments threatened by groundwater

News Daily / UPI 12/31/07:

"Groundwater threatens Egyptian treasures"

"Encroaching groundwater threatens the foundations, columns and walls of
Egyptian treasures in Cairo's Giza Plateau, scientists and engineers say.

Some flooding caused by farming, urban development and residential housing
near the monuments already has begun, Kyodo News reported Monday."

The rest:

http://www.newsdaily.com/Science/UPI-1-20071231-19043800-bc-egypt-groundwate
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JMM / LMC

ERXOMAI = return

In his entry in BDAG on ERXOMAI Danker notes that besides having the
meaning "come", the verb was also used   "Hom.+"  (from Homer forward)
"w[ith] the specif[ic] m[eani]ng 'come back, return'".

     Also w. the specif. mng. come back, return (Hom.+; Bar 4:37; 1
     Esdr 5:8; Tob 2:3 BA) J 4:27; 9:7; Ro 9:9)

Curiously, though, when I turn to LSJ, I find nothing there that
indicates that Homer, let alone any post Homeric author,  used ERXOMAI
to signify the "specific" meaning" that Danker says it bore.

Is Danker wrong in this matter?  Or are there Homeric and post Homeric
instances outside of the ones he actually cites of ERXOMAI meaning
"return"?

If so, what are they?

Yours,

Jeffrey
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Re: ERXOMAI = return

I'm not sure how you want to identify a "specific meaning."  But when 
Achilles speaks of "the reward I take to my ships" at Il 1.168 he does 
mean "take back to."

As a more ambiguous case, when Achilles speaks tells his mother to "go 
to Olympus and make prayer to Zeus" at Il. 1.394 she would be going 
back to where she had often been, although not to where she had just 
come from (the sea).

How would you identify a specific meaning?

best, Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000 <at> COMCAST.NET>
Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 11:42 am
Subject: [CLASSICS-L] ERXOMAI = return
To: CLASSICS-L <at> LSV.UKY.EDU

> In his entry in BDAG on ERXOMAI Danker notes that besides having the
> meaning "come", the verb was also used   "Hom.+"  (from Homer forward)
> "w[ith] the specif[ic] m[eani]ng 'come back, return'".
> 
> 
>     Also w. the specif. mng. come back, return (Hom.+; Bar 4:37; 1
>     Esdr 5:8; Tob 2:3 BA) J 4:27; 9:7; Ro 9:9)
> 
> Curiously, though, when I turn to LSJ, I find nothing there that
> indicates that Homer, let alone any post Homeric author,  used ERXOMAI
> to signify the "specific" meaning" that Danker says it bore.

Re: ERXOMAI = return

Cunliffe cites Iliad 5.409 (έλθοντ' έκ πολέμοιο) and a  
string of other examples. It looks like there are usually contextual  
clues of back-ness, again-ness (e.g. αὖτις, πάλιν) that  
suggest the meaning of "return," so a thrifty lexicogapher might  
decide the meaning isn't latent in the verb itself.

JMP("Palindromos")

On Jan 1, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Jeffrey B. Gibson wrote:

> In his entry in BDAG on ERXOMAI Danker notes that besides having the
> meaning "come", the verb was also used   "Hom.+"  (from Homer forward)
> "w[ith] the specif[ic] m[eani]ng 'come back, return'".
>
>
>      Also w. the specif. mng. come back, return (Hom.+; Bar 4:37; 1
>      Esdr 5:8; Tob 2:3 BA) J 4:27; 9:7; Ro 9:9)
>
> Curiously, though, when I turn to LSJ, I find nothing there that
> indicates that Homer, let alone any post Homeric author,  used ERXOMAI
> to signify the "specific" meaning" that Danker says it bore.
>
> Is Danker wrong in this matter?  Or are there Homeric and post Homeric
> instances outside of the ones he actually cites of ERXOMAI meaning
> "return"?
>
> If so, what are they?
>
> Yours,
>

Re: ERXOMAI = return

Re: ERXOMAI = return

Book Sale at Curculio

Michael Hendry, quondam listmember and philologist semper, is having  
a book sale through his website.

http://www.curculio.org/BookSale/

JM("Mercurialis")P

Re: ERXOMAI = return

quotation help

With happy new year wishes for all, does anyone have a source for the
ubiquitous Internet quotation ascribed to the pharaoh who placed over
the doorway to the "library" at Thebes the words "medicine for the
soul"?  I'm suspicious . . .

Jim O'Donnell
Georgetown U.

RE=?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0:?= quotation help

Speaking of which, where did the APA's motto come from?

Vince

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De: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group de la part de James J. O'Donnell
Date: mar. 2008-01-01 22:36
À: CLASSICS-L <at> LSV.UKY.EDU
Objet : quotation help

With happy new year wishes for all, does anyone have a source for the
ubiquitous Internet quotation ascribed to the pharaoh who placed over
the doorway to the "library" at Thebes the words "medicine for the
soul"?  I'm suspicious . . .

Jim O'Donnell
Georgetown U.