Re: General interest: Irish Gaelic threatened?

 > "In Donegal the word ending -adh is usually pronounced "oo" as in
"moon". In Munster you would hear "ig" in this case. "
 >

Aaahh!, what a relief!!

 From time to time, some fancy Greeks propose various fancier changes in
the Greek language and/or even the alphabet, because, they say, it is very
difficult and it should be made simpler!

________________________
Lampros F. Kallenos                 "...EKANAN OISTRO THS ZWHS
Idalion, Lefkosia                       TO FOBO TOU QANATOU"
Kypros
--

Sappho

Re: strunk and white

Owen, you're right, I think David is just too young.  White was the
quintessential New Yorker writer (look for a slender period piece called
"This Is New York" in slim hard covers).  I always get these folks
confused prosopographically, but isn't he Roger Angell's stepfather?

Jim O'Donnell

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Owen Cramer wrote:

> Ah, David, you missed some great childhood experiences: E. B. White wrote
> _Charlotte's Web, The Trumpet of the Swan_, and _Stuart Little_, all of
> them arguably classics. He took over Wm. Strunk's little book on
> style--Stunk was a long-time English professor at Cornell but not a
> popular writer.
> Best,
> Owen Cramer
> ________________________________
>
> From: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group on behalf of david
> meadows
> Sent: Wed 6/29/2005 7:31 PM
> To: CLASSICS-L <at> LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject: tan: strunk and white
>
>
>
> One of the blogs I frequent quotes strunk and white:
>
> A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no
> unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no
> unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts.
>
> ... which got me thinking ... did either strunk or white ever write
> anything that people actually 'read' (as opposed to 'referred to')? I've
> always found their elements of style to be, well, stylistically barren.
>
> dm
>

Re: strunk and white

Yes.

My daughter was in Maine when he died.  The main headline on his town's
newspaper that day was about a truckload of escaped or escaping pigs.

DW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. James J. O'Donnell" <provost <at> GEORGETOWN.EDU>
To: <CLASSICS-L <at> LSV.UKY.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CLASSICS-L] strunk and white

> Owen, you're right, I think David is just too young.  White was the
> quintessential New Yorker writer (look for a slender period piece called
> "This Is New York" in slim hard covers).  I always get these folks
> confused prosopographically, but isn't he Roger Angell's stepfather?
>
> Jim O'Donnell
>
>
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Owen Cramer wrote:
>
> > Ah, David, you missed some great childhood experiences: E. B. White
wrote
> > _Charlotte's Web, The Trumpet of the Swan_, and _Stuart Little_, all of
> > them arguably classics. He took over Wm. Strunk's little book on
> > style--Stunk was a long-time English professor at Cornell but not a
> > popular writer.
> > Best,
> > Owen Cramer
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group on behalf of david
> > meadows
> > Sent: Wed 6/29/2005 7:31 PM
> > To: CLASSICS-L <at> LSV.UKY.EDU
> > Subject: tan: strunk and white
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the blogs I frequent quotes strunk and white:
> >
> > A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no
> > unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no
> > unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts.
> >
> > ... which got me thinking ... did either strunk or white ever write
> > anything that people actually 'read' (as opposed to 'referred to')? I've
> > always found their elements of style to be, well, stylistically barren.
> >
> > dm
> >

Re: General interest: Irish Gaelic threatened?

Diana Wright wrote:

> "In Donegal the word ending -adh is usually pronounced "oo" as in "moon".
>In Munster you would hear "ig" in this case. "
>
>Please.
>
>DW
>
>
This reaction isn't surprising ... but I think here the English
orthography is making the difference seem bigger than it really is.
Terminal '-adh' is pronounced in other parts of Ireland and Scotland as
'-uh' or '-ugh' (ugh, indeed!).  Draw out that vowel and you get the
'oo' sound, clip it away almost to nothingness and you get what that
website rendered as 'ig'.  It's not really very different from the
variations in pronunciation of English in different hemispheres, or even
within Britain itself.

Another rule mentioned on the website once caused me some amusement:
'/f/ in a verb ending is always pronounced "h"'.  When I was learning
Irish in Galway, we were working on conditionals, which involve the
'-fadh' ending.  One of the American students apparently couldn't bring
herself to ignore the 'f', and so (see above) kept ending her verbs with
'-fugh'.  When the instructor pointed out that she was dangerously close
to uttering an English obscenity, she put extra effort into remembering
the rule!

Cheers,

George

--
G.I.C. Robertson
Department of Classics
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St John's, Newfoundland
A1C 5S7  Canada
Tel. 709-737-8708
Fax 709-737-4569
robertso <at> mun.ca

podcasts

Okay ... a longshot, I suppose, but since we recently had a thread on
what folks are reading, howzabout a thread on what podcasts folks are
listening to (especially now that itunes has podcast subscription built
right in) ... and to answer the inevitable question:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting

dm

Re: tan: strunk and white

Wrong genre. Strunk and White is a manual of expository prose, not
poetry (and certainly not nonsense poetry). Rather like asking how
good a short stop Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is.

PTR

On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Bob Bethune wrote:

> I only see S&W cited and recommended for the hard work of learning to
> write, never for bedtime reading.
>
> And by the way--I don't think they ever define "necessary."
> Prolixity can
> be an author's most charming feature, as it is with J. I. Crump's
> book on
> Chinese theater.
>
> A challenge for Strunk & Whiteans: analyze Lewis Carroll's
> "Jabberwocky"
> and define what in it is necessary and what is unnecessary.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   david meadows [SMTP:dmeadows <at> IDIRECT.COM]
> Sent:   Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:32 PM
> To:     CLASSICS-L <at> LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject:        [CLASSICS-L] tan: strunk and white
>
> One of the blogs I frequent quotes strunk and white:
>
> A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no
> unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should
> have no
> unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts.
>
> ... which got me thinking ... did either strunk or white ever write
> anything that people actually 'read' (as opposed to 'referred to')?
> I've
> always found their elements of style to be, well, stylistically
> barren.
>
> dm
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Re: podcasts

On 6/30/05, david meadows <dmeadows <at> idirect.com> wrote:
> Okay ... a longshot, I suppose, but since we recently had a thread on
> what folks are reading, howzabout a thread on what podcasts folks are
> listening to (especially now that itunes has podcast subscription built
> right in) ... and to answer the inevitable question:
> 
I would *love* to hear about some classics-related podcasts!  I'm not
aware of any at the moment, though.

--

-- 
Paul Anderson
wackyvorlon <at> gmail.com
"Lex Dicavit"

Re: podcasts

Right now, just ABC News. I tried a BBC podcast, but it was text-to-
speech, and frankly that's just too annoying for words.

PTR

On Jun 30, 2005, at 8:44 PM, david meadows wrote:

> Okay ... a longshot, I suppose, but since we recently had a thread on
> what folks are reading, howzabout a thread on what podcasts folks are
> listening to (especially now that itunes has podcast subscription
> built
> right in) ... and to answer the inevitable question:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting
>
> dm
>

Re: podcasting

Well, just for folks info, the ones which I'm going to play with for the
next while will be archaeologica's, quirks and quarks from cbc, npr's
science friday, and I know discovery has one for science news too.

... so now that we're on the brink of a new medium, what do you think a
'Classics' podcast would include? Wouldn't it be great to have a podcast
of an apa session or some other conference? or howzabout those folks who
don't want to/can't put a written version of a paper up on the net ...
why not a 'paper of the week' with an associated forum for comment?

dm
(who recalls a similar train of thought when realaudio came out, yadda
yadda yadda ... but podcasting is even easier and surely the
technophiles on the list now outnumber the phobes?)

Patrick T. Rourke wrote:

>> Right now, just ABC News. I tried a BBC podcast, but it was text-to-
>> speech, and frankly that's just too annoying for words.
>>
>> PTR
>>
>>
>> On Jun 30, 2005, at 8:44 PM, david meadows wrote:
>>
>
>>>> Okay ... a longshot, I suppose, but since we recently had a thread on
>>>> what folks are reading, howzabout a thread on what podcasts folks are
>>>> listening to (especially now that itunes has podcast subscription
>>>> built
>>>> right in) ... and to answer the inevitable question:
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting
>>>>
>>>> dm
>>>>
>
>>
>>
>>