Richard Jobity | 1 Dec 2003 10:49

Despite great promise, technology is dumbing down the classroom

Computer illogic
Despite great promise, technology is dumbing down the classroom

Todd Oppenheimer

This past year, as San Francisco school officials were dealing with 
budget cuts by laying off teachers and librarians and closing school 
libraries, spending on city schools was increasing in another area: 
classroom computers. To keep up with the digital age, federal 
authorities gave city schools just short of $1 million this year to buy 
450 new desktop computers. Their goal is to make sure there is at least 
one computer for every 10 students in fourth through eighth grades. 
Meanwhile, the state is contributing another $500,000 to high-tech 
education in San Francisco.

These subsidies come on top of the many millions spent in recent years 
on computer technology in Bay Area schools -- and in every city in the 
United States. No one knows the exact amount of spending on computers in 
San Francisco but, according to national estimates, U.S. schools have 
spent roughly $80 billion on school computing just in the last decade. 
This, at a time when activities that aren't available outside school the 
way computers are -- programs such as art and music classes, shop and 
physical education - - were being cut back or eliminated. Across the 
bay, for example, Union City's school district spent $37 million in 1996 
on computer gear for just 11 schools. To sustain this investment, the 
district cut back on expenditures for science equipment, field trips and 
several other academic mainstays.

Shifts of this sort have made for a drastic and worrisome change in 
today's classrooms. Throughout the country, computer technology is 
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Ross Gardler | 1 Dec 2003 14:56

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Allan Samaroo wrote:
> Did any of you know that the ministry of education began to implement a CIS
> program in primary schools a few years ago?  More on this early next week.

Yes, Shiva gave us a little info on this and a Colleague here at UWI (ex 
teacher trainer) also told me about it. From what I can gather every 
school was supposed to get *a* computer. In most cases this was used for 
admin purposes or for a member of staff's personal work, often at home 
(due to security problems).

Any more information you have, especially if it is concrete factual 
information would be great.

Ross

Ross Gardler | 1 Dec 2003 15:02

Re: Despite great promise, technology is dumbing down the classroom

Richard Jobity wrote:
> Computer illogic
> Despite great promise, technology is dumbing down the classroom

Great article Richard, well spotted. This is something we need to 
address directly.

I agree with the author in that there is a danger of compters being used 
to "replace" teachers. This has to be prevented (not just avoided, but 
prevented).

Where I disagree is with the statement that computers are dumbing down 
the educational system. This is a typical argument from those who learnt 
without computers. When I was at school the same argument raged about 
calculators. Now it is true that my mental arithmentic skills are not as 
good as those as my parents. But it also true that I understand much 
more complex mathematics than they do. This has enabled me to do some 
things they could never have done because they weren't equipped to in 
their education. How is that dumbing down?

This is not to say that there is *no* danger of dumbing down. Replace 
the teachers and it is definetely going to dumb down the education. But 
support the teachers and (I believe) they will be able to do a better job.

Anyone else with an opinion on this? How do we avoid causing such problems?

Ross

Allan Samaroo | 1 Dec 2003 15:51
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I just spoke to them and I instead of talking about it, let's give a
demonstration.  So far we have two solutions:

1. the LTSP - requires some system/network administration/initial setup
2. Tootbee, CDs - live distro boots off CD-ROM, very very very simple
interface, no administration needed

I do know a little information about their project but I think it's best
they tell you themselves.  We'll just need to organise a time and date for
the demonstration at your lab Ross..........

Allan.

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> 
> Allan Samaroo wrote:
> > Did any of you know that the ministry of education began to 
> implement 
> > a CIS program in primary schools a few years ago?  More on 
> this early 
> > next week.
> 
> Yes, Shiva gave us a little info on this and a Colleague here 
> at UWI (ex 
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Ross Gardler | 1 Dec 2003 16:32

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Allan Samaroo wrote:
> I just spoke to them and I instead of talking about it, let's give a
> demonstration.  So far we have two solutions:
> 
> 1. the LTSP - requires some system/network administration/initial setup

We have this one set up...

> 2. Tootbee, CDs - live distro boots off CD-ROM, very very very simple
> interface, no administration needed

- requires better hardware

Lets have this one set up in time to demo it as well (I'll get the 
distro's and do the testing next week)

What we really wnat to do is demo both and discuss the benefits of each.

> I do know a little information about their project but I think it's best
> they tell you themselves.  We'll just need to organise a time and date for
> the demonstration at your lab Ross..........

This week is really bad (exams start next week). Can we say the tail end 
of next week? I'm pretty free all the time from then on except when I 
need to invigilate.

Ross

Allan Samaroo | 1 Dec 2003 17:00
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I'll let them know late next week is good.  I've also got the Tootbee ISOs
already downloaded and RJ also has a copy, so there's no need to d/l them
again.

Allan.

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> From: owner-cis@... [mailto:owner-cis <at> saafe.org] On 
> Behalf Of Ross Gardler
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:33 AM
> To: cis@...
> Subject: Re: [cis] Bit of information
> 
> 
> Allan Samaroo wrote:
> > I just spoke to them and I instead of talking about it, 
> let's give a 
> > demonstration.  So far we have two solutions:
> > 
> > 1. the LTSP - requires some system/network administration/initial 
> > setup
> 
> We have this one set up...
> 
> > 2. Tootbee, CDs - live distro boots off CD-ROM, very very 
> very simple 
> > interface, no administration needed
> 
> - requires better hardware
> 
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Christian Anton | 1 Dec 2003 17:54
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Hey guys, 

I'm new to the group, could I tag along? I'd like to get my feet wet.

Christian Anton
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InfoLink Services Ltd.

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I'll let them know late next week is good.  I've also got the Tootbee ISOs already downloaded and RJ also has a
copy, so there's no need to d/l them again.

Allan.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cis@... [mailto:owner-cis <at> saafe.org] On
> Behalf Of Ross Gardler
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:33 AM
> To: cis@...
> Subject: Re: [cis] Bit of information
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Allan Samaroo | 1 Dec 2003 18:13
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Sure..........the time and date would be posted.

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> Hey guys, 
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> I'm new to the group, could I tag along? I'd like to get my feet wet.
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Ross Gardler | 1 Dec 2003 18:28

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Allan Samaroo wrote:
> Sure..........the time and date would be posted.

Anyone can tag along, although we have to be aware of the numbers. In 
particular since Shiva is currently our only educator I would hope he 
will come. Others can let us know when time and date is set.

Those who can't make it will get a full update through this list.

(by the way, thanks a bunch for taking the initiative Allan)

Ross

Richard Teesdale | 3 Dec 2003 00:29
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 > I agree with the author in that there is a danger
of
> compters being used 
> to "replace" teachers. This has to be prevented (not
> just avoided, but 
> prevented).
> 

100% agreement...

> Where I disagree is with the statement that
> computers are dumbing down 
> the educational system. This is a typical argument
> from those who learnt 
> without computers.

I think the argument has some merit if you consider
that the education system itself inherently "dumbs us
all down" so long as *quantity* education gets the nod
over *quality*. All the data i assimilate as an
individual and promptly regurgitate for exams, could
never replace a lively interest in problem solving. In
other words, the misuse of computers as an educational
tool is an all too near reality. It's left solely up
to those unique, inspiring, teachers to show us
wonderful strange, exciting paths to truths about
solutions.(if we are so fortunate to have one)...Can
we conceive of technology offering a solution? I'm
sure you've all played with soda constructor? One of
the best math/mechanics classes i've ever had.
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