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Paul Bailey | 1 Aug 2011 10:43
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Re: Refresh the member lock


As far as I can see, the source member lock does one thing only. It prevents two SEU developers having the
source open for edit at the same time. That is, only one developer can edit the source using SEU at a time. If
your session closes/crashes or just SEU closes unexpectedly then your source member lock will be
re-established the next time you open it in SEU.

If the source is open in RDP and it was loaded from an IBM i connection for editing then that source member
should always be locked whenever my RDP session is active. This is what happens with SEU, so why not RDP?

Currently, after restarting RDP (after it was closed/crashed with a source member open) it appears to have
opened the source member again, but no locks or source changed checks are done until you try to save your
changes again. So I think RDP should re-establish the member lock as soon as the source member becomes
changed (or "dirty" as it used to be called) simulating reopening the source in SEU. Maybe an option to work
offline should be available somewhere, so people who do edit without a permanent connection to their IBM i
can continue to work as they do (e.g. using i Projects), but the option should not be on by default for source
members loaded via an IBM i connection.

Kurt, did you raise the RFE? I could do it myself, I think, but it would take extra time for me to do it while I
worked out *how* to do it.

-Paul.

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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Refresh the member lock

Last time I checked (15 seconds ago), that's exactly what RDp doesn't do.  ;)
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Charles Wilt | 1 Aug 2011 15:11
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Re: Using RDP 8.0 i Projects

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Mark Murphy/STAR BASE Consulting Inc.
<mmurphy@...> wrote:
> but I don't see using SVN due to the sheer size of the applications I work on.

I don't think size of i related apps would be a problem...

Have you looked at the #line of code involved in a .NET or Java app? :)

SVN handles those just fine.

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Mike Wills | 1 Aug 2011 15:52
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Re: Using RDP 8.0 i Projects

SVN manages many huge projects though many are now starting to switch to a
git-based (or other distributed SCM systems) system now.

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On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@...> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Mark Murphy/STAR BASE Consulting Inc.
> <mmurphy@...> wrote:
> > but I don't see using SVN due to the sheer size of the applications I
> work on.
>
> I don't think size of i related apps would be a problem...
>
> Have you looked at the #line of code involved in a .NET or Java app? :)
>
> SVN handles those just fine.
>
> Charles
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Charles Wilt | 1 Aug 2011 16:01
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Re: Using RDP 8.0 i Projects

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:48 AM, John Callahan <jjcllhn@...> wrote:
> The more I develop in non-IBM i environments, the more frustrated I become
> with the traditional IBM i source tools and dealing with limited fixed
> length source physical files when I return. I haven't dropped an 80 column
> punch card deck in over 30 years. At what point will IBM allow us to feed
> the RPG compiler something more than 69 characters per line from a source
> file?

How about 2002?

Store your source in the IFS and you can have lines as long as you want.

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Kurt Anderson | 1 Aug 2011 16:10

Re: Refresh the member lock


Here is the link to the request:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe&CR_ID=12499

Once you get familiar with the DeveloperWorks page it's pretty nice.  There have been some comments on the
searching, but overall it's pretty nice.

To get you started on submitting your own RFEs:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/
After registering:
Click on Submit RFEs.
Brand:  Rational
Product:  Developer for Power Systems

-Kurt

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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Refresh the member lock

As far as I can see, the source member lock does one thing only. It prevents two SEU developers having the
source open for edit at the same time. That is, only one developer can edit the source using SEU at a time. If
your session closes/crashes or just SEU closes unexpectedly then your source member lock will be
re-established the next time you open it in SEU.

If the source is open in RDP and it was loaded from an IBM i connection for editing then that source member
should always be locked whenever my RDP session is active. This is what happens with SEU, so why not RDP?
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Richard Schoen | 1 Aug 2011 16:16
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Re: Using RDP 8.0 i Projects

Is that applicable to more than just RPG now ?

I seem to remember a limitation.

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subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Using RDP 8.0 i Projects

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:48 AM, John Callahan <jjcllhn@...> wrote:
> The more I develop in non-IBM i environments, the more frustrated I become
> with the traditional IBM i source tools and dealing with limited fixed
> length source physical files when I return. I haven't dropped an 80 column
> punch card deck in over 30 years. At what point will IBM allow us to feed
> the RPG compiler something more than 69 characters per line from a source
> file?
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Mark Murphy/STAR BASE Consulting Inc. | 1 Aug 2011 16:37
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Re: Using RDP 8.0 i Projects

Yes, that is true, but with other environments like .Net, Java, or PHP, there is a directory structure that
helps you out.  Not true on i.  Just a flat structure, with potentially multiple source files if one is
inclined to break things up a little bit.  However, mostly 1 source file is used per language rather than per
"application area".  So in other environments I can navigate to /app/customer/controllers/ and I see a
handful of source files.  Easy to find stuff, I don't even really need to spend a lot of time remembering the
name of the object.  With i, I have to sort through the 1500 source members in QRPGLESRC, or maybe it is 250
source members in CUSTSRC.  Then I have to find the right source file, or wait while the filters find all the
objects.  Yes, I know what I am looking for, but I prefer just having the 5 or 6 objects I am working with there
for me.

Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Using RDP 8.0 i Projects

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Mark Murphy/STAR BASE Consulting Inc.
<mmurphy@...> wrote:
> but I don't see using SVN due to the sheer size of the applications I work on.

I don't think size of i related apps would be a problem...

Have you looked at the #line of code involved in a .NET or Java app? :)

SVN handles those just fine.
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Robert J. Mullis | 1 Aug 2011 16:30
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IBM Data Studio

I have been using SQL (CREATE TABLE, INDEX, etc.) for a couple of years now to create files, instead of DDS.  I
have been creating the SQL commands in a source member and using RUNSQLSTM to execute it.  I recently began
investigating IBM Data Studio to maintain these tables and indexes.  So far, I like it with one exception.  I
can’ t put labels on my columns in my tables.  Everytime I try to put a label on a column, I get a window
telling me that I need to buy an IBM product called IBM Optim to do this.

Is anyone else using IBM Data Studio?  And if you are, are you able to put labels on columns within Data Studio
without buying this other product just to do that?

Thanks,
Robert
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Jim Oberholtzer | 1 Aug 2011 16:58

Re: IBM Data Studio

Yes, I would agree the $886.00 price tag is a bit stiff for that one 
need.  I have always used an alter table statement for the column 
names.  Can you add that statement manually?

Jim Oberholtzer
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Agile Technology Architects

On 8/1/2011 9:30 AM, Robert J. Mullis wrote:
> I have been using SQL (CREATE TABLE, INDEX, etc.) for a couple of years now to create files, instead of DDS.  I
have been creating the SQL commands in a source member and using RUNSQLSTM to execute it.  I recently began
investigating IBM Data Studio to maintain these tables and indexes.  So far, I like it with one exception.  I
can’ t put labels on my columns in my tables.  Everytime I try to put a label on a column, I get a window
telling me that I need to buy an IBM product called IBM Optim to do this.
>
> Is anyone else using IBM Data Studio?  And if you are, are you able to put labels on columns within Data Studio
without buying this other product just to do that?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
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