Jon Paris | 1 Feb 01:13 2008

Re: WDSCI-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 54


On 31-Jan-08, at 5:49 PM, wdsci-l-request@... wrote:

> But Jon, didn't it seem that the idea was to allow you to migrate from
> ADTS to RDi?  So in effect, you *are* gettig RDi entitlements, you  
> just
> aren't getting entitled to BOTH.

I think that may have been what we wanted to hear Joe, but it wasn't  
what was on the charts.

When they presented the new packaging to the Toronto User Group  
yesterday they _very_ explicitly stated that there was ZERO  
entitlement to RDi.  They were asked again and reiterated that there  
was no RDi entitlement. There was a lot of dark muttering at that point.

The entitlement is to WDSC (not sure about user limits) and they get  
a tiered number of users for ADTS.

The charts are supposed to be going up on the TUG web site soon - as  
soon as they appear I'll post here.

Jon Paris

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Jon Paris | 1 Feb 01:18 2008

Re: EGL vs. Java


On 31-Jan-08, at 5:49 PM, wdsci-l-request@... wrote:

>> 	The reason I ask about the speeds you are quoting is that we
>> have a pilot CGI/RPG application and best case response time is  
>> over 2
>> seconds (and I do not even want to discuss worst case).

You must have something _really_ weird going on in that application.   
I've never seen RPG CGI apps perform that badly.  Are you using  
CGIDEV2?  Home-grown procedures?  We have RPG CGI apps running on an  
elderly model 170 with very little memory and the only time it ever  
exceeds 2 seconds is when I've just asked it to to dynamically  
rebuild about 200 static web pages!

Jon Paris

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Mark Allen | 1 Feb 02:45 2008
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Re: EGL vs. Java

Well, if you and Joe and Aaron can't make headway with them, my
rumblings won't add much. :-)

We are screwed
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Aaron Bartell | 1 Feb 12:43 2008
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Re: EGL vs. Java

> I don't understand this.  Run through the tutorial and you have an
application.

After doing the tutorial I must say that given my experiences with JSF, this
seems a lot easier.  I like EGL syntax much better than Java (actually, Java
could probably learn a lot from EGL :-).  I think they could hide some of
the jndi/jdbc stuff a little better so RPG developers don't get scared away.
I didn't come across a tutorial yet that has paging, though if I keep
digging I am sure I will find one.  Right now I am working on a single
customer list with the last name linked to an edit page.

Stay tuned for more opinions ;-)  I won't really know how "easy" EGL is
until I get into a real application scenario, which I may have one coming
down the pipe right now.

Couple of questions to anyone that can answer them:
- Is the generated Java code compliant to all the different specs out there
(i.e. J2EE) and are there any IBM runtime jars (or other files) that are
required?  So theoretically I could run my EGL (read generated Java) on any
Tomcat server?

- Is it possible to compile the EGL code into Java without RBDe?  Just
thinking through IBM's history of dropping technologies and wondering if
they ended up dropping EGL if the community could (or would be able to)
facilitate the continuation of the product.

Aaron Bartell
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Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen | 1 Feb 12:49 2008
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Re: EGL vs. Java

Pete Helgren skrev  den 31-01-2008 23:03:
> "In the mean time I have started looking at JRuby with the explicit goal
> of getting Rails running on System i, and it appears that their
> generated bytecode is not compatible with the System i classic JVM."
>
> Hmm, I have been working on this myself.  I have it all working in 
> Windows XP at the moment, although I have Rails running in PASE with a 
> MySQL DB.  I just got the activerecord-jdbc adapter working smoothly 
> with DB2 for i5OS just last week.  Plan to push all of it over to the i 
> shortly.  Working on the tutorial to post on my blog as we speak 
> (http://www.petesworkshop.com/petesblog/serendipity/)  I have a Ruby on 
> Rails on i web site that is running under webrick and rails in PASE 
> here:  http://www.roroni.com/
>
> What bytecode incompatibilities are you experiencing?
>
>   
Great :)  I considered getting Ruby to run in PASE (was described in a 
recent magazine my colleague gets) but decided against it as we 
currently do not require PASE in customer installations.

The problematic exception is:

java.lang.ClassFormatError: initialize-1315658141_521157377 2203 0000

(full details at http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/JRUBY-1969).

It is currently pending that I get time to play with JRuby 1.1RC.

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Jerry Adams | 1 Feb 13:30 2008

Nondisclosure

Gee, if you and Joe can't agree on what was presented, it seems like 
IBM's nondisclosure agreements are pretty much a waste of paper. 

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Jon Paris wrote:
> On 31-Jan-08, at 5:49 PM, wdsci-l-request@... wrote:
>
>   
>> But Jon, didn't it seem that the idea was to allow you to migrate from
>> ADTS to RDi?  So in effect, you *are* gettig RDi entitlements, you  
>> just
>> aren't getting entitled to BOTH.
>>     
>
> I think that may have been what we wanted to hear Joe, but it wasn't  
> what was on the charts.
>
> When they presented the new packaging to the Toronto User Group  
> yesterday they _very_ explicitly stated that there was ZERO  
> entitlement to RDi.  They were asked again and reiterated that there  
> was no RDi entitlement. There was a lot of dark muttering at that point.
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Jeff Crosby | 1 Feb 13:42 2008

Re: Compiling menus via WDSc

Here's an example of what I mean.  This is the command executed on a
particular menu of mine:

?BB15 ??PROCS(*N) ??PRINT(*NO) ?-RAWPKGLST(*SAME/PKGLBLAL) ?-MBR(ORDERS)
?-SUBMIT(*YES) ?-LBLGRP(*STD) 

When the menu option is taken, the command itself is prompted due to the ?
in front.  The ?? in front of parms PROCS and PRINT allows the user to
change those and the ?- causes those parms to not even be displayed, meaning
that can't be changed.  I also at times use ?* which shows that particular
parm, but it cannot be changed.  (I know you already know about the ?, ??,
?-, and ?*;  I just put it here for others who may not know.  There are
others too, but I've never used them.)

Is all the possible when both building a UIM menu and when using it?

Thanks.

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Glenn Gundermann | 1 Feb 14:56 2008
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Re: WDSCI-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 54

>From what I recall from the same presentation, was that if you paid for
WDSC, i.e. through Passport Advantage, or bought WDSC-AE, you will have
entitlement.  If you didn't pay for your WDSC, then you don't get the new
software for free.

Glenn Gundermann
ggundermann@...
(647) 272-3295

>
> On 31-Jan-08, at 5:49 PM, wdsci-l-request@... wrote:
>
>> But Jon, didn't it seem that the idea was to allow you to migrate from
>> ADTS to RDi?  So in effect, you *are* gettig RDi entitlements, you
>> just
>> aren't getting entitled to BOTH.
>
> I think that may have been what we wanted to hear Joe, but it wasn't
> what was on the charts.
>
> When they presented the new packaging to the Toronto User Group
> yesterday they _very_ explicitly stated that there was ZERO
> entitlement to RDi.  They were asked again and reiterated that there
> was no RDi entitlement. There was a lot of dark muttering at that point.
>
> The entitlement is to WDSC (not sure about user limits) and they get
> a tiered number of users for ADTS.
>
> The charts are supposed to be going up on the TUG web site soon - as
> soon as they appear I'll post here.
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Converting STRUTS-based application to Java or EGL

Does anyone know if there is tooling in WDSC V6/V7 to will enable a
STRUTS application to be "converted" to Java/JSP or EGL?  We have an App
that was written in STRUTS but the developer moved on and we now need to
maintain it. Nobody else very familiar with it. Looking for best way to
modernize and update. Any thoughts?  Unfortunately,  I am not literate
enough in STRUTS to know how difficult this would be. 

Thanks

Rick Flagler

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Mark S. Waterbury | 1 Feb 15:49 2008
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Re: Compiling menus via WDSc

Yes.

 > Jeff Crosby wrote:
> Here's an example of what I mean.  This is the command executed on a
> particular menu of mine:
>
> ?BB15 ??PROCS(*N) ??PRINT(*NO) ?-RAWPKGLST(*SAME/PKGLBLAL) ?-MBR(ORDERS)
> ?-SUBMIT(*YES) ?-LBLGRP(*STD) 
>
> When the menu option is taken, the command itself is prompted due to the ?
> in front.  The ?? in front of parms PROCS and PRINT allows the user to
> change those and the ?- causes those parms to not even be displayed, meaning
> that can't be changed.  I also at times use ?* which shows that particular
> parm, but it cannot be changed.  (I know you already know about the ?, ??,
> ?-, and ?*;  I just put it here for others who may not know.  There are
> others too, but I've never used them.)
>
> Is all the possible when both building a UIM menu and when using it?
>
> Thanks.
>
>   
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