Corey Sweeney | 1 Jan 23:34 2007
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Re: TeXmacs support for book discussions

That's a Interesting Idea.  I imagine one of the problems would be getting enough people making comments for it to be usefull.  If you get something going, you could try to maximize your "market" by making your first book to be one of the books that has their full content online such as http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ .  (that particular book is a very popular computer science book that uses scheme  (which might even help peoples texmacs skills :)  (ok, technically computer science isn't a science, but you get my point. heh))

Hmm, on second thought, since people have to have texmacs installed, maybe starting with the texmacs users manual would be interesting.

Corey

On 12/30/06, Amir Michail <amichail <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I think TeXmacs could be helpful in building a system for discussion
of scientific books.

To avoid copyright issues, only a small fraction of a book would be
made public, perhaps just the section headings and formulas. TeXmacs
could include a feature to do something like this automatically. The
output would preserve the same formatting/spacing/pagination etc. so
that page numbers match between both book versions.

People could then have discussions to try to better understand a book
that is made available in this way. The discussions could be done
using TeXmacs and linked to the relevant book sections/formulas. One
could even print out the discussion version of the book (which
includes the discussions) for study offline.

Amir


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Bas Spitters | 19 Jan 10:10 2007
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Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

Hello,

I happened to stumble across the following message:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404375

Texmacs has been orphaned in Debian (and thus Ubuntu etc.) :-(

Bas
Joris van der Hoeven | 19 Jan 14:47 2007

Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:10:41AM +0100, Bas Spitters wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I happened to stumble across the following message:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404375
> 
> Texmacs has been orphaned in Debian (and thus Ubuntu etc.) :-(

What does that mean, exactly? What should we do about it?

--Joris
Corey Sweeney | 19 Jan 17:52 2007
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Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

My debian info is a little old, assume this information to be about 90% correct. :)

What that means is that there is no longer anyone on the debian team that is assigned to maintain the debian package for texmacs.  So bug reports will not go anywhere, and the version will not get updated.  I believe if a debian package is orphaned for long enough, it can get dropped from the distribution, but don't quote me on that part.

Anyway, as to what to do about it, one possibility would be to "campain" for a new maintainer.  (I.E. try to find someone who's interested in becoming part of the debian team, and is willing to take on the maintaince of the texmacs package.)

Any voulenteers?


If your thinking of starting a group to promote texmacs, you may want to consider your position in the other major distributions too.  For example gentoo's version of texmacs is currently at:  1.0.6-r1   ("r1" is a gentoo thing), so most likely a gentoo maintainer would be helpfull too.

Corey

On 1/19/07, Joris van der Hoeven < vdhoeven <at> texmacs.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:10:41AM +0100, Bas Spitters wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I happened to stumble across the following message:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404375
>
> Texmacs has been orphaned in Debian (and thus Ubuntu etc.) :-(

What does that mean, exactly? What should we do about it?

--Joris


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Andrey G. Grozin | 19 Jan 18:13 2007
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Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Corey Sweeney wrote:
> If your thinking of starting a group to promote texmacs, you may want to
> consider your position in the other major distributions too.  For example
> gentoo's version of texmacs is currently at:  1.0.6-r1   ("r1" is a gentoo
> thing), so most likely a gentoo maintainer would be helpfull too.
An up-to-date ebuild lives in the Gentoo science overlay:
http://gentooscience.org/
I maintain it

I think it would be good to add this information to www.texmacs.org, so 
that Gentoo users could use this overlay.

Andrey
Corey Sweeney | 19 Jan 19:25 2007
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Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

That's great!

I took at look at your overlay.  Do you know about gensync in
gentoolkit-dev?  By setting up a /etc/gensync/gentooscience.syncsource
file, it allows people to download overlays with just a "gensync
gentooscience".  However, i'm not sure if it supports svn, as I've
only seen configurations for rsync systems.  (otherwize i'd be posting
the config file right now).

Anyway, that may be more convient instructions to post to the texmacs web.

Corey

On 1/19/07, Andrey G. Grozin <A.G.Grozin <at> inp.nsk.su> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Corey Sweeney wrote:
> > If your thinking of starting a group to promote texmacs, you may want to
> > consider your position in the other major distributions too.  For example
> > gentoo's version of texmacs is currently at:  1.0.6-r1   ("r1" is a gentoo
> > thing), so most likely a gentoo maintainer would be helpfull too.
> An up-to-date ebuild lives in the Gentoo science overlay:
> http://gentooscience.org/
> I maintain it
>
> I think it would be good to add this information to www.texmacs.org, so
> that Gentoo users could use this overlay.
>
> Andrey
>
>
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Joris van der Hoeven | 19 Jan 21:52 2007

Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

Hi Corey,

On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:52:34AM -0600, Corey Sweeney wrote:
> My debian info is a little old, assume this information to be about 90%
> correct. :)
> 
> What that means is that there is no longer anyone on the debian team that is
> assigned to maintain the debian package for texmacs.  So bug reports will
> not go anywhere, and the version will not get updated.  I believe if a
> debian package is orphaned for long enough, it can get dropped from the
> distribution, but don't quote me on that part.

Thanks for the info.

> Anyway, as to what to do about it, one possibility would be to "campain" for
> a new maintainer. (I.E. try to find someone who's interested in becoming
> part of the debian team, and is willing to take on the maintaince of the
> texmacs package.)

Yep. Anyone on the list who would like to become the Debian maintainer?

> If your thinking of starting a group to promote texmacs, you may want to
> consider your position in the other major distributions too.  For example
> gentoo's version of texmacs is currently at:  1.0.6-r1   ("r1" is a gentoo
> thing), so most likely a gentoo maintainer would be helpfull too.

In fact it would be nice if someone would volunteer some kind of supervision
of all different TeXmacs blends for different distributions. I can provide
CVS access for maintaining the necessary pages on our website (a better way
should be developed during the year). Unfortunately, I have no longer time
for this kind of maintaining and I am getting lost in the ever growing and
changing number of Linux distributions.

So, any volunteers?

Something else (for Corey): with the latest CVS version of TeXmacs,
try the following program (in ~/.TeXmacs/progs/testje.scm)
from a scheme session; you will like it ;^)

(texmacs-module (testje))

(display* "Test module loaded\n")

(define-widget (widget-1)
  "Hallo"
  "Hopsakee")

(define-widget (widget-2)
  (concat "a+" (frac "1" "2")))

(define-widget (widget-3 given)
  (center "Test")
  (let ((hidden "Secret text"))
    (action "Given" (display* given "\n"))
    (action "Hidden" (display* hidden "\n"))))

(define-widget (widget-4)
  "Hallo"
  (toggle "pressed?" #f)
  (action "OK" (display* (form-ref "pressed?") "\n")))

(define-widget (widget-5)
  (table
    ("From:" (field "First" ""))
    ("To:" (field "Second" "")))
  (button "Copy" (form-set! "Second" (form-ref "First"))))

(define-widget (widget-6)
  (let ((nr 0)
	(busy #f)
	(sync (lambda () (form-set! "Output" (tree (number->string nr)))))
	(inc (lambda () (set! nr (+ nr 1)) (sync))))
    (field "Output" "0")
    -
    (bar :short
      (button "Start"
	(when (not busy)
	  (set! busy #t)
	  (delayed
	    (:while busy)
	    (:every 1000)
	    (inc))))
      (button "End"
	(set! busy #f))
      (button "Reset"
	(set! nr 0)
	(sync))
      (button "Increase"
	(inc)))))
Joris van der Hoeven | 19 Jan 21:53 2007

Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:13:12PM +0600, Andrey G. Grozin wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Corey Sweeney wrote:
> >If your thinking of starting a group to promote texmacs, you may want to
> >consider your position in the other major distributions too.  For example
> >gentoo's version of texmacs is currently at:  1.0.6-r1   ("r1" is a gentoo
> >thing), so most likely a gentoo maintainer would be helpfull too.
> An up-to-date ebuild lives in the Gentoo science overlay:
> http://gentooscience.org/
> I maintain it
> 
> I think it would be good to add this information to www.texmacs.org, so 
> that Gentoo users could use this overlay.

Yes, it should; do you volunteer for maintaining the web-pages with
links to all major distributions (with version/status/maintainer info) ;^?

Best wishes, Joris
Andrey G. Grozin | 21 Jan 06:57 2007
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Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Corey Sweeney wrote:
> I took at look at your overlay.  Do you know about gensync in
> gentoolkit-dev?  By setting up a /etc/gensync/gentooscience.syncsource
> file, it allows people to download overlays with just a "gensync
> gentooscience".  However, i'm not sure if it supports svn, as I've
> only seen configurations for rsync systems.  (otherwize i'd be posting
> the config file right now).
>
> Anyway, that may be more convient instructions to post to the texmacs web.
This is not *my* overlay, it is being developed by a group of people.
By the way, I have just committed texmacs-1.0.6.8.ebuild.

I heard people use app-portage/layman to add overlays (including this one) 
to their portage trees. I haven't tried this, I just say

svn update

Is it very difficult?

Andrey
Andrey G. Grozin | 21 Jan 07:01 2007
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Re: Texmacs orphaned in Debian/Ubuntu

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Joris van der Hoeven wrote:
>> I think it would be good to add this information to www.texmacs.org, so
>> that Gentoo users could use this overlay.
>
> Yes, it should; do you volunteer for maintaining the web-pages with
> links to all major distributions (with version/status/maintainer info) ;^?
Yes, why not? The only question is what's a *major* distribution? It would 
be too tiresome to trace many hundreds of distributions known to 
distrowatch :-)

Andrey

Gmane