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Tassilo Horn | 1 Apr 2011 09:25
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gmane.emacs.auctex.devel not updated

Hi all,

Since yesterday, my messages to the above Gmane groups don't appear
anymore.  The last update from nntp.gmane.org on that group is from
yesterday.  But strangely, the webinterface

  http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.devel

is missing even more messages.  For example, I had a long discussion
with subject

  Inverse Search with Evince & DBUS

starting in February until now.  That's not shown at all in the
webinterface.  Some messages ids of messages received via nntp, which
aren't on the web: <87ipwxi31z.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>,
<87ei7igoxg.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>, <87fwq3piqs.fsf <at> gmail.com>

And here are the message ids of my messages from yesterday and today,
which neither appeared via nntp nor web:
<87vcyznmfn.fsf <at> member.fsf.org>, <87zkoa8ozp.fsf <at> member.fsf.org>

What's the matter?

Bye,
Tassilo
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 3 Apr 2011 01:31
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Gwene scripts published

I've put the Gwene scripts on GitHub for public ridicule:

http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2011/04/running-rss-to-nntp-gateway.html

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 3 Apr 2011 18:48
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Re: gmane.emacs.auctex.devel not updated

Tassilo Horn <tassilo <at> member.fsf.org> writes:

> And here are the message ids of my messages from yesterday and today,
> which neither appeared via nntp nor web:
> <87vcyznmfn.fsf <at> member.fsf.org>, <87zkoa8ozp.fsf <at> member.fsf.org>
>
> What's the matter?

Gmane hasn't received those messages, so the mailing list server most
likely hasn't sent them to Gmane, I guess.

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Tassilo Horn | 3 Apr 2011 19:19
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Re: gmane.emacs.auctex.devel not updated

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

>> And here are the message ids of my messages from yesterday and today,
>> which neither appeared via nntp nor web:
>> <87vcyznmfn.fsf <at> member.fsf.org>, <87zkoa8ozp.fsf <at> member.fsf.org>
>>
>> What's the matter?
>
> Gmane hasn't received those messages, so the mailing list server most
> likely hasn't sent them to Gmane, I guess.

Ok, I'll tell the AUCTeX maintainers.

Bye,
Tassilo
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 4 Apr 2011 09:15
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Hackin' nnrpd

nnrpd has a nice feature where it will deny any incoming connections if
the load is over 16.  However, this means that the mail-to-news scripts
will sometimes be denied, too, which means that the messages go to a
queue for later flushing, which is annoying.

I've now hacked nnrpd to never deny any connections from the Gmane
machines, which should make this problem go away, and we should get more
reliable mail delivery.

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Romain Francoise | 4 Apr 2011 10:58
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Re: Hackin' nnrpd

How about removing the load limiting thing completely? It sometimes
happens that Gmane refuses nntp connections from clients because of
it, which is annoying too.
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 4 Apr 2011 11:02
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Re: Hackin' nnrpd

Romain Francoise <romain <at> orebokech.com> writes:

> How about removing the load limiting thing completely? It sometimes
> happens that Gmane refuses nntp connections from clients because of
> it, which is annoying too.

It better to deny clients than to allow the server to degrade beyond a
load of 16.

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Tassilo Horn | 4 Apr 2011 11:52
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Re: gmane.emacs.auctex.devel not updated

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

Hi Lars,

> Gmane hasn't received those messages, so the mailing list server most
> likely hasn't sent them to Gmane, I guess.

Hm, I don't know.  Unfortunately, the list doesn't have an own archive,
but it links to Gmane as its archive...

But what's the problem with my other issue, i.e., articles that I have
received via news.gmane.org (nntp), but which are not shown via the web
interface

  http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.devel

> > But strangely, the webinterface
> >
> >   http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.devel
> >
> > is missing even more messages.  For example, I had a long discussion
> > with subject
> >
> >   Inverse Search with Evince & DBUS
> >
> > starting in February until now.  That's not shown at all in the
> > webinterface.  Some messages ids of messages received via nntp, which
> > aren't on the web: <87ipwxi31z.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>,
> > <87ei7igoxg.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>, <87fwq3piqs.fsf <at> gmail.com>
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Duncan | 4 Apr 2011 13:20
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Re: gmane.emacs.auctex.devel not updated

Tassilo Horn posted on Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:52:17 +0200 as excerpted:

> But what's the problem with my other issue, i.e., articles that I have
> received via news.gmane.org (nntp), but which are not shown via the web
> interface
> 
>   http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.devel
> 
>> > But strangely, the webinterface
>> >
>> >   http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.devel
>> >
>> > is missing even more messages.  For example, I had a long discussion
>> > with subject
>> >
>> >   Inverse Search with Evince & DBUS
>> >
>> > starting in February until now.  That's not shown at all in the
>> > webinterface.  Some messages ids of messages received via nntp, which
>> > aren't on the web: <87ipwxi31z.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>,
>> > <87ei7igoxg.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>, <87fwq3piqs.fsf <at> gmail.com>
> 
> In Gnus, these three articles are available in the group (besides many
> others) and I can use M-^ <message-id> to refer them in *Summary*.  But
> they are not available at the web interface.

I've no idea about gnus so won't attempt comment there.  However...

Messages appearing in the gmane news interface normally have a gmane-
injected Archived-At: header, with an
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Tassilo Horn | 4 Apr 2011 20:25
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Re: gmane.emacs.auctex.devel not updated

Duncan <1i5t5.duncan <at> cox.net> writes:

Hi Duncan,

>>> > starting in February until now.  That's not shown at all in the
>>> > webinterface.  Some messages ids of messages received via nntp,
>>> > which aren't on the web: <87ipwxi31z.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>,
>>> > <87ei7igoxg.fsf <at> caeruleus.net>, <87fwq3piqs.fsf <at> gmail.com>
>> 
>> In Gnus, these three articles are available in the group (besides
>> many others) and I can use M-^ <message-id> to refer them in
>> *Summary*.  But they are not available at the web interface.
>
> I've no idea about gnus so won't attempt comment there.  However...
>
> Messages appearing in the gmane news interface normally have a gmane-
> injected Archived-At: header, with an
> http://permalink.gmane.org/gro.up/number formatted link.

Oh, indeed, the article <87ipwxi31z.fsf <at> caeruleus.net> received from the
gmane nntp has this Archived-At header:

  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.general/4099

And following that link in a browser shows the correct message.

Furthermore, the blog-like, flat web interface

  http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.devel/day=20110206
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