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Hi,
The PLT Scheme project (plt-scheme.org) is being renamed to "Racket".
As part of this move we've also moved our mailing lists, two of which
are mirrored on gmane: gmane.lisp.scheme.plt{,.devel}. What's the
best way to deal with this?
* It would be nice if it's possible to keep the existing archive links
(gmane's archives are so much better than mailman's) while having the
new list have the complete archive too. But unless something like
indexing posts based on a hash is done, this will lead to a
significant overlap, and I don't want to abuse a free service
(especially when it's as useful as gmane). Is there a recommended way
to do this?
* We already moved the dev list complete with its subscribers
including the gmane email for it. Should it be unsubscribed from
the new list?
* Part of the reason for the rename is to avoid being confused as
"just a scheme". Looking at the current list of gmane groups, it
looks like we could fit either one of:
gmane.lang.racket
gmane.lisp.racket
and the first seems to me to be a better choice. Is it ok?
* As for the names of the actual lists, we first had the ...plt list
on gmane, and later when the dev list was added the new one was
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Dmitry Timoshenko posted on Thu, 03 Jun 2010 05:33:23 +0400 as excerpted: > Could a kind soul explain me how to reply to a message? And also how to > reply to reply? That's a bit of an open-ended question. To some extent, the actual method used depends on how you're reading gmane, using a newsclient, or using your web browser with either the frames and threads or the flat blog-like interface (FWIW, I think you need scripting enabled for either of the web interfaces). Your question could also be in regard to how the post gets from gmane to the list your looking at. The first time you post thru gmane to a list, whether it's a reply or an original post, you normally get a confirmation request sent to the email address you used. You must confirm that you want to post to the list, via a reply to that mail, in ordered to use gmane to do so, thus, you must use valid email addresses with gmane. Once you've confirmed with gmane (and if you've posted multiple replies, gmane drops all but the one you confirmed, until you've confirmed, then you can post freely), gmane will forward your post via mail to the appropriate mailing list. What the mailing list does with it is up to them. Some require you to be subscribed there, or the drop the message. Others submit not-subscriber mail to a moderator for manual approval. Some rare lists may be open and post messages from folks who aren't subscribed, relying on spam filters and the like to keep out the junk. If the mailing list posts the message, presumably gmane will get the copy from its subscription, and the post will appear on gmane.(Continue reading)
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:33:46 -0400, Eli wrote: > * Also, is ".dev" fine to use now? -- IIRC, ".devel" was preferred in > general, but I think that it makes more sense for the group names to > mirror the list names. (And I see that there are a few *.dev lists > now.) There are 6 groups with ".dev". There are 2098 with ".devel". See also http://gmane.org/faq.php Best regards, Adam -- -- "Emacs is like a laser guided missile. It only has to Adam Sjøgren be slight mis-configured to ruin your whole day." asjo <at> koldfront.dk
asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:33:46 -0400, Eli wrote: > >> * Also, is ".dev" fine to use now? -- IIRC, ".devel" was preferred >> in general, but I think that it makes more sense for the group >> names to mirror the list names. (And I see that there are a few >> *.dev lists now.) > > There are 6 groups with ".dev". There are 2098 with ".devel". See > also http://gmane.org/faq.php [ I know about the faq, but things do change every once in a while, and last time I checked I don't remember any .dev lists (but that was probably more than 5 years ago). (And my opinion is that because gmane is between the two worlds, it can just as well go with the forming mailing list convention of "dev" -- this is regardless of my personal preference of using "devel" as the mailing list name.) ] In any case, that was the most unimportant question on my list, it's certainly not worth arguing over... -- -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://barzilay.org/ Maze is Life!(Continue reading)
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:33:19 -0400, Eli wrote: > In any case, that was the most unimportant question on my list, it's > certainly not worth arguing over... It was also the only one I could answer..., Adam -- -- "Emacs is like a laser guided missile. It only has to Adam Sjøgren be slight mis-configured to ruin your whole day." asjo <at> koldfront.dk
* Eli Barzilay <eli <at> barzilay.org> [2010-06-03 03:33]: > The PLT Scheme project (plt-scheme.org) is being renamed to "Racket". > * It would be nice if it's possible to keep the existing archive links > (gmane's archives are so much better than mailman's) while having the > new list have the complete archive too. But unless something like > indexing posts based on a hash is done, this will lead to a > significant overlap It seems you already know this, but I'll repeat it just in case. Renaming Gmane groups is not possible, unfortunately. The only choices are, 1) just keep the old group name and point it to the new list, or 2) start an entirely new group (losing Gmane's archive in the process). If I understand you correctly, you want to go with (2), start a new group, but re-import the whole archive. That's probably fine (even though it overlaps the old group), disk space consumption usually is not an issue, but Lars will have to have the final word on that > * We already moved the dev list complete with its subscribers > including the gmane email for it. Should it be unsubscribed from > the new list? As long as the Gmane address is subscribed, messages from the list will go to the group it belongs to (plt.something). As you're going with option (2) above, you probably don't want that, so I guess I'll unsubscribe these once the new groups are set up. Speaking of which: could you please request subscriptions for the new groups <http://gmane.org/subscribe.php> if you haven't done so yet, and then contact Lars at admin <at> gmane.org about the import (please see(Continue reading)
Wolfgang Schnerring <wosc+gmane <at> wosc.de> writes: > * Eli Barzilay <eli <at> barzilay.org> [2010-06-03 03:33]: >> The PLT Scheme project (plt-scheme.org) is being renamed to "Racket". >> * It would be nice if it's possible to keep the existing archive links >> (gmane's archives are so much better than mailman's) while having the >> new list have the complete archive too. But unless something like >> indexing posts based on a hash is done, this will lead to a >> significant overlap > > It seems you already know this, but I'll repeat it just in case. > Renaming Gmane groups is not possible, unfortunately. The only choices > are, 1) just keep the old group name and point it to the new list, or 2) > start an entirely new group (losing Gmane's archive in the process). > > If I understand you correctly, you want to go with (2), start a new > group, but re-import the whole archive. That's probably fine (even > though it overlaps the old group), disk space consumption usually is > not an issue, but Lars will have to have the final word on that OK, I'll refer to this thread when I send that. (FWIW, the mbox file of the `users' list is not too big -- ~170MB; and the `dev' one is relatively new so it's only at 17MB.) >> * We already moved the dev list complete with its subscribers >> including the gmane email for it. Should it be unsubscribed from >> the new list? > > As long as the Gmane address is subscribed, messages from the list > will go to the group it belongs to (plt.something). As you're going(Continue reading)
>>>>> Eli Barzilay <eli <at> barzilay.org>: > OK -- and your reply made me realize that there must be some > convention for the users group, and a quick count of the list names > shows that `user' is preferable. I'll use that then. (Please correct > me if I'm wrong...) FWIW I seem to remember that "general" was the one originally preferred. But I don't think that has been heavily enforced. "user" may well be in majority. Personally I always go for "general" when proposing a group name for a new user list.
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