NoOp | 1 May 03:52 2009
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Re: Some groups not showing up today 4/26/2009

On 04/29/2009 07:17 AM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> NoOp <glgxg <at> sbcglobal.net> writes:
> 
>> gmane.linux.ubuntu.user
>> doesn't seem to be updating today. Posts are showing up on the Ubuntu
>> archives:
> 
> Looks OK now.
> 

Apparently this one is missing a few as well, as it misses my previous
reply to this post from yesterday:

> Yes, but it dropped a few in the process. Example:
> 
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/181433
> 
> The original post (which I posted) is missing, yet is in the list archives:
> <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-April/182350.html>
> 
> Here's my original sent header:
>>From - Tue Apr 28 14:32:40 2009
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
> X-Mozilla-Keys:
> 
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:32:38 -0700
> From: NoOp <glgxg <at> sbcglobal.net>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b5pre)
> Gecko/20090428 SeaMonkey/2.0b1pre
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Andreas Metzler | 1 May 18:16 2009
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Two groups gmane.comp.window-managers.windowmaker.user

Hello,

First off big thanks for providing this service.

it looks like there are two groups named 
gmane.comp.window-managers.windowmaker.user on gmane, see 
http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.window-managers.windowmaker

The upstream mailing list was down a long time, I think when the list
became alive again a new group with the same name was added. This has
strange effects:

When reading by using the WWW-interface (both blog and frames, I get
the old list, ending August 2006. OTOH by NNTP I get current articles,
e.g. <669dc9710904280840w70de8040y5f26acb25edf7d55 <at> mail.gmail.com>.

Could you please merge the two groups into one?

Thanks in advance. cu andreas
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Tomáš Janoušek | 2 May 17:36 2009
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Re: LISTGROUP for gmane.comp.video.mplayer.devel gives strange results

Hello,

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 07:37:13PM +0100, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> I've looked at article 619 in that group, and I can't see anything odd
> about it.  So this is weird...

Any plans to look at this deeper? Could you try to reindex the group or
whatever it takes for the news server to tell you what's his problem?

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jidanni | 3 May 22:29 2009

SPF victim?

Perhaps you can unmark as spam all the messages posted
Platonides <at> gmail.com over the years,
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/30852
I don't know who is at fault, but at least his old messages aren't spam.
Platonides | 3 May 23:42 2009
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Re: SPF victim?

You moved fast, jidanni :)

(long history on
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/30852)

I post from my ip, which is dynamic.
gmane is extracting the top level domain of my reverse dns and doing an
spf check on it.
My ISP has SPF blocked that domain from email sending.
Thus I get a SPF_HELO_FAIL and score 4.5

Result: 12/17 mails tagged by gmane as spam on one list, 11/18 on
another, for last month mails.

But I never claimed to be emailing on behalf of that domain!
I think the steps I followed have been right, just that spf isn't the
right tool for nntp filtering. The mx rules dont' apply to the news.

I have dutifully followed the posting challenge, so it's not like some
random ip starting to send mails, needing dynamic ip filtering.
The challenge could be made stricter so as to just allow posting as that
sender from its /24 but taking as measure penalizing dynamic ips is unfair.
Jouni K. Seppänen | 4 May 07:30 2009
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Re: SPF victim?

Platonides <Platonides <at> gmail.com> writes:

> gmane is extracting the top level domain of my reverse dns and doing an
> spf check on it.
> My ISP has SPF blocked that domain from email sending.
> Thus I get a SPF_HELO_FAIL and score 4.5

It seems to be an unfortunate interaction of gmane's header mangling,
SPF and SpamAssassin. First, when you post through gmane, gmane tries to
preserve the information about where the message came from in the chain
of Received: headers by cooking some of them up:

Received: from 135.red-88-4-227.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([88.4.227.135])
	by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
	id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
	for <mediawiki-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org>; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:29:04 +0000
Received: from Platonides by 135.red-88-4-227.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with
	local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
	for <mediawiki-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org>; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:29:04 +0000

Really you posted via nntp to gmane, but the headers look like you are
running a MTA called Gmexim 0.1 on your computer, which forwarded the
message to main.gmane.org. Now this message gets sent to the list, and
eventually to lo.gmane.org, where SpamAssassin applies its rules:

X-Spam-Report: 5.9 points;
 *  0.9 HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (Split IP)
 *  4.5 SPF_HELO_FAIL SPF: HELO does not match SPF record (fail)
 *      [SPF failed: Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=rima-tde.net&ip=88.4.227.135&receiver=lo]
 *  0.5 DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS RBL: Envelope sender in whois.rfc-ignorant.org
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Uwe Brauer | 7 May 15:04 2009
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could a newsgroup be included?

Hello 

comp.soft-sys.matlab is a newsgroup not a mailing list,  but it be
included in the list of gmane newsgroups?

thanks

Uwe Brauer 
Duncan | 7 May 15:27 2009
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Re: could a newsgroup be included?

Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es> posted 87iqkdkqs7.fsf <at> mat.ucm.es, excerpted
below, on  Thu, 07 May 2009 15:04:40 +0200:

> comp.soft-sys.matlab is a newsgroup not a mailing list,  but it be
> included in the list of gmane newsgroups?

gmane serves a specific purpose, a list2news and list2web bridge.  
Following the old Unix design philosophy, gmane does one thing and does 
it well. While I'm just a user, I believe I've seen this answered "no" 
before, for that reason.

However, there are a number of no-charge text-only news servers out 
there, some of which are reasonably reliable.  I'd encourage you to look 
into them.  One I know that gets a significant number of recommendations 
is motzarella.org, tho I've never personally used it.  Based on 
reputation, perhaps it could be called the gmane of true news, as opposed 
to the list2news that gmane is.

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Wolfgang Schnerring | 8 May 06:33 2009
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Re: could a newsgroup be included?

* Duncan <1i5t5.duncan <at> cox.net> [2009-05-07 15:27]:
> Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es> posted 87iqkdkqs7.fsf <at> mat.ucm.es
>> comp.soft-sys.matlab is a newsgroup not a mailing list,  but it be
>> included in the list of gmane newsgroups?
>
> gmane serves a specific purpose, a list2news and list2web bridge.  
> Following the old Unix design philosophy, gmane does one thing and does 
> it well. While I'm just a user, I believe I've seen this answered "no" 
> before, for that reason.

Indeed, the answer is no. Gmane has nothing to do with Usenet
*whatsoever*. We do one thing, as Duncan said, and that is archiving
mailing list and making them accessible via NNTP. But that's where the
similarities to Usenet end.

Wolfgang

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Uwe Brauer | 12 May 13:19 2009
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Re: could a newsgroup be included?


   >> comp.soft-sys.matlab is a newsgroup not a mailing list,  but it be
   >> included in the list of gmane newsgroups?

   > gmane serves a specific purpose, a list2news and list2web bridge.
   > Following the old Unix design philosophy, gmane does one thing and
   > does it well. While I'm just a user, I believe I've seen this
   > answered "no" before, for that reason.

Too bad, but I expected that answer.

   > However, there are a number of no-charge text-only news servers out
   > there, some of which are reasonably reliable.  I'd encourage you to
   > look into them.  One I know that gets a significant number of
   > recommendations is motzarella.org, tho I've never personally used
   > it.  Based on reputation, perhaps it could be called the gmane of
   > true news, as opposed to the list2news that gmane is.

Thanks but this one does not include the comp.soft-sys.mat.

In case another server occurs to you I would appreciate any
recommendation since I google for days around and did not find any.

Uwe Brauer 

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   > Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
   > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
   > and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
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