Tim Landscheidt | 2 Apr 18:36 2009
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Re: Dupes and spam in gname.announce

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:

>> when I look at <URI:news:gmane.announce>, many groups are
>> announced multiple times. Of the last 1000 articles,
>> <URI:news:gmane.os.freebsd.devel.svn.src.all> holds the re-
>> cord with 99 announcements while "only" 490 groups were an-
>> nounced just once. What is the reason for this?

> If the first message is rejected for some reason or other (for instance,
> if it's really syntactically invalid), the announcement is sent, but
> since the messages was rejected, the group won't be created.  Repeat and
> rinse.

> The right fix for that would be not to announce until we've seen that
> the group really was created.  But I looked at the code right now, and
> it kinda made my head hurt.

If you need further headache, in
<URI:news:E1LnzPA-0004GX-QR <at> lo.gmane.org> the subject encod-
ing does not seem to be working :-).

>>   Second, when counting articles, I noticed that 255 (or
>> 25,5 % :-)) were spam. How does it get injected into Gmane,
>> especially since the website displays the group's status as
>> "read-only list"? :-)

> Gmane has no way of verifying that a message really came from the list
> server.

But:
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 5 Apr 20:20 2009
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Re: Dupes and spam in gname.announce

Tim Landscheidt <tim <at> tim-landscheidt.de> writes:

> a) wouldn't the address by which Gmane is subscribed to the
>    "mailing list" of gmane.announce (or any mailing list) be
>    only known to a rather small group? (Well, for gmane.an-
>    nounce it seems to be in the source code, but I had not
>    guessed that many spammers would harvest *that*.)

The address is in every message in the Received headers.

> b) wouldn't it be possible to integrate SPF into the mail-
>    server/Gmane setup and thus reduce the spam to the amount
>    that is found on the real mailing lists as well (and, in
>    the case of gmane.announce, to zero)?

SPF is used, but Gmane doesn't keep track of what MTA handles the mail
at the mailing list side.  Doing so would be, er, non-trivial.

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Tim Landscheidt | 8 Apr 00:45 2009
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Re: Dupes and spam in gname.announce

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:

>> a) wouldn't the address by which Gmane is subscribed to the
>>    "mailing list" of gmane.announce (or any mailing list) be
>>    only known to a rather small group? (Well, for gmane.an-
>>    nounce it seems to be in the source code, but I had not
>>    guessed that many spammers would harvest *that*.)

> The address is in every message in the Received headers.

Ehhh, yes :-).

>> b) wouldn't it be possible to integrate SPF into the mail-
>>    server/Gmane setup and thus reduce the spam to the amount
>>    that is found on the real mailing lists as well (and, in
>>    the case of gmane.announce, to zero)?

> SPF is used, but Gmane doesn't keep track of what MTA handles the mail
> at the mailing list side.  Doing so would be, er, non-trivial.

Okay, now you've lost me.

  AFAIK SPF guarantees that, if the envelope sender stems
from a domain with an SPF policy, the mail originates "from
him" (or at least a host he trusts). The envelope sender is
known to Gmane (and preserved as "Original-X-From"
(bin/real-mail-to-news, line 441)).

  So if Gmane would check that the envelope sender for
gmane.announce:
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Anders Larsen | 10 Apr 16:17 2009
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What happened to gmane.comp.db.oracle.soci.user?

Hi,

on the 2009-03-26 the list "soci-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net" was added as
"gmane.comp.db.oracle.soci.user", but about a week later the group silently
disappeared.
However, it's still stuck somewhere in the intestines of gmane since it is not
possible to subscribe the list again ("A group called
gmane.comp.db.oracle.soci.user is already subscribed. Choose a new name.")

What happened?

Cheers
Anders
Adam Sjøgren | 10 Apr 17:52 2009
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Re: What happened to gmane.comp.db.oracle.soci.user?

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:17:09 +0000 (UTC), Anders wrote:

> on the 2009-03-26 the list "soci-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net" was
> added as "gmane.comp.db.oracle.soci.user", but about a week later the
> group silently disappeared.

> However, it's still stuck somewhere in the intestines of gmane since
> it is not possible to subscribe the list again ("A group called
> gmane.comp.db.oracle.soci.user is already subscribed. Choose a new
> name.")

> What happened?

The owner of the list asked us to remove it from gmane.

  Best regards,

    Adam

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Ivan Levashew | 13 Apr 07:17 2009
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Re: Top-posting false positive

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Ed Avis writes:
> 
>> However Gmane won't let me send this because it thinks I am top-posting.  Can
>> the filter be modified to allow a short summary at the start of the message?
> 
> That sounds kinda complicated...
> 
A special line "!ipromiseitsnottopposting" that lets a letter to pass a 
filter.

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Leo | 14 Apr 02:31 2009
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gmane.comp.version-control.git.magit not working

Hi there,

There is only one message in gmane.comp.version-control.git.magit when
in fact there are dozens, see
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/magit/topics?hl=en&start=.

BTW, how to post to a group associated with a google group such as this
one?

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Steinar Bang | 14 Apr 08:01 2009
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gmane.comp.desktop.etoile.devel have no traffic since July 2007

The gmane.comp.desktop.etoile.devel group has seen no traffic since July 2007
	http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.desktop.etoile.devel

The list have had traffic as recent as April 13 2009
	https://mail.gna.org/public/etoile-dev/

The address of the list seems to be unchanged.

Perhaps gmane have fallen off the list?
Kjetil Torgrim Homme | 14 Apr 20:14 2009
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Re: Top-posting false positive

[Ivan Levashew]:
> [Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]:
> > [Ed Avis]:
> > > [Gmane thinks a summary at the top is top posting, can this
> > >  be overridden?]
> >
> > That sounds kinda complicated...
>
> A special line "!ipromiseitsnottopposting" that lets a letter to pass
> a filter.

I think it's easier to put the summary inside the quotes, like Duncan
suggested and I did above.  I do this quite often.  it does require a
different angle in the summarising prose, but I think it tends to
represent the conversation better.

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Thufir | 25 Apr 03:46 2009
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google-appengine-java

please add http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java/

thanks,

Thufir

Gmane