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Thufir | 1 Mar 2009 23:36
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Re: gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel moderated

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:46:50 +0000, Duncan wrote:

> What that mailing list then does with the forwarded messages depends on
> the policy of the list.  Some you have to actually be a member of to
> have it accepted for posting.  Most of them no doubt have some sort of
> spam filtering that may occasionally snag legit messages too.  Some
> won't accept posts thru gmane at all (IIRC gmane marks these as
> one-way/read- only groups).  And some aren't publicly postable at all --
> various announce lists, for instance.

I wrote a post inquiring as to whether it was moderated on the list side 
because I couldn't any info either way, they wrote.  Not gmane related at 
all it turns out.  It was just that I wasn't getting any bounce messages 
or anything.

-Thufir
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Duncan | 1 Mar 2009 23:45
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Re: gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel moderated

Thufir <hawat.thufir <at> gmail.com> posted gof2km$2ef$4 <at> ger.gmane.org,
excerpted below, on  Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:36:07 +0000:

> I wrote a post inquiring as to whether it was moderated on the list side
> because I couldn't any info either way, they wrote.  Not gmane related
> at all it turns out.  It was just that I wasn't getting any bounce
> messages or anything.

That makes sense.  Thanks for the update!

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Arthur Marsh | 3 Mar 2009 14:04
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gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user read-only?

Hi, I went onto sourceforge and registered for 
grip-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net and subscribed to 
gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user.

I tried posting to gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user after receiving some 
posts there, but nothing came back in the next half hour.

I then posted directly to grip-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net and received 
the posting back in gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user a minute or few later.

Is the gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user group read-only?

I would like it to be bidirectional, but the person who created the list 
on sourceforge is AWOL )-:.

The purpose of getting access to the list is to try to resurrect Grip in 
its MP3Mesa fork, and the grip-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net list seems to 
still have some users who like the Grip program.

Regards,

Arthur Marsh.
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Wolfgang Schnerring | 4 Mar 2009 06:51
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Re: gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user read-only?

* Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh <at> internode.on.net> [2009-03-03 14:04]:
> Is the gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user group read-only?

1. I'm sorry, but: did you check the FAQ about posting and Gmane's
auto-responder? <http://gmane.org/faq.php>
2. The group is configured normally at Gmane, so the posting issues are likely
to reside on the side of the mailing list. I'm afraid you'll have to get 
some list administrator to check on that.

Wolfgang

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Arthur Marsh | 4 Mar 2009 17:49
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Re: gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user read-only?

Wolfgang Schnerring wrote, on 04/03/09 16:21:
> * Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh <at> internode.on.net> [2009-03-03 14:04]:
>> Is the gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user group read-only?
> 
> 1. I'm sorry, but: did you check the FAQ about posting and Gmane's
> auto-responder? <http://gmane.org/faq.php>
> 2. The group is configured normally at Gmane, so the posting issues are likely
> to reside on the side of the mailing list. I'm afraid you'll have to get 
> some list administrator to check on that.
> 
> Wolfgang
> 

I'm a bit mystified. I can post to other gmane groups (e.g. gmane.test) 
fine, and as I previously reported, by subscribing to the grip-users 
mailing list (https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/grip-users) 
and posting directly to grip-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net rather than 
gmane itself I can see the message appear in 
gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user newsgroup (and hence gmane is subscribed 
to grip-users), but when I posted to gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user 
newsgroup I didn't even receive a gmane auto-authorization message. I 
also checked my local and ISP-based "suspected spam" folders and found 
nothing from gmane.

I resent my original posting via gmane again via gmane (attached) and 
again didn't receive an auto-authorization message.

Could it be that the emails from gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user to 
grip-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net are showing a different From: address 
than what is subscribed to the grip-users list on sourceforge? It seems
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Duncan | 4 Mar 2009 18:48
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Re: gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user read-only?

Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh <at> internode.on.net> posted
41o286-tjq.ln1 <at> ppp121-45-136-118.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net, excerpted
below, on  Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:19:00 +1030:

> Could it be that the emails from gmane.comp.multimedia.grip.user to
> grip-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net are showing a different From: address
> than what is subscribed to the grip-users list on sourceforge? It seems
> unlikely given that there must be very many sourceforge lists subscribed
> to by gmane.

It would indeed seem there's some sort of issue with gmane's posting 
configuration for the group/list, given that messages from the list 
appear on gmane (it receives messages fine) but that nothing from gmane 
seems to make it upstream (there's a disconnect in the send).

Not getting even the auto-authorization message, however, is strange.  
Hopefully that's a hint to the gmane admins as to where the problem is.

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Michael Liebl | 5 Mar 2009 17:54

gmane.mail.alpine.info does not work

Hi,

posting to gmane works for me, but not to gmane.mail.alpine.info.
I don't get any response like mail, error message etc.

What to do now?
Do you need further informations?

Thanks!

Greetings, Michael.
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Harry Putnam | 5 Mar 2009 22:53
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Re: Endless battle to stay connected/reconnect with gmane

Steinar Bang <sb <at> dod.no> writes:

>>>>>> Duncan <1i5t5.duncan <at> cox.net>:
>
>> [ref=prince]
>> For all I know, Gnus is the EMACS news client formerly known as Gnews?
>> [/ref]
>
> Nah, they were competing once upon a time.  That is: gnews and GNUS were
> competing.  Then both fell into lack of management.  And then Larsi
> picked up GNUS and made it into Gnus, and the rest is history.

A little late now to settle the dispute about what is being discussed
by OP (me) .  But it is a near current version of noguns I'm talking
about. 

Anyway no one has mentioned anything about the question. Namely, how
to keep a connection with gmane live and not have constant problems
with loosing the connection.
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Duncan | 6 Mar 2009 10:02
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Re: gmane.mail.alpine.info does not work

Michael Liebl <michael.liebl.antispam <at> googlemail.com> posted
20090305175408.50fec209 <at> adm210.adm.dhw.de, excerpted below, on  Thu, 05
Mar 2009 17:54:08 +0100:

> posting to gmane works for me, but not to gmane.mail.alpine.info. I
> don't get any response like mail, error message etc.
> 
> What to do now?
> Do you need further informations?

I'm wondering if there's a problem with the current first-post-to-group 
(gmane) authorization process ATM.  See the just previous thread right 
here about gmane.com.multimedia.grip.user, where Arthur Marsh was having 
the same problem with that group.

Normally the first post to a new group should get a reply generated back 
to your email, confirming it and confirming that you want to post to that 
group/list.  Replying to that then causes gmane to forward the post to 
the listbot for posting in accordance with whatever policy the list has, 
but of course for that to happen, you have to get the gmane confirm-
request to your mailbox.  If gmane's screwing up that for some reason and 
you aren't getting the confirm-request, it'll look like you just posted 
into the void, which is about what you did, in that case, since gmane bit-
buckets the post if you don't reply, confirming it, within a week.

So now we have two reports of this.  Probably Lars will eventually get on 
it and figure out what's going on and fix it (assuming it is indeed a 
gmane problem, not just coincidence on a couple unrelated problems), but 
he's quite busy and sometimes gone for a couple weeks at a time, so who 
knows when it'll be?  (That's assuming it's not something one of the
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Michael Liebl | 6 Mar 2009 10:28

Re: gmane.mail.alpine.info does not work

Am Freitag, den 06. März 2009 schrubte Duncan:

> > posting to gmane works for me, but not to gmane.mail.alpine.info. I
> > don't get any response like mail, error message etc.
> 
> I'm wondering if there's a problem with the current
> first-post-to-group (gmane) authorization process ATM.

Mh, I dont think so. This was my first post to gmane.discuss.

Greetings, Michael.

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