Ed Avis | 1 Dec 13:48 2008

'No such article' error

The article <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.tds.freetds/10616/> displays
fine but when I click on the subject to see the whole thread, it goes to
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.tds.freetds/10616/> which gives the
error 'no such article'.

(If this error is sometimes to be expected, maybe it should be in the FAQ, or
the error page should give more details about why the article is missing and
when it can be expected to show up.)

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jidanni | 3 Dec 03:02 2008

Re: regret harsh subscription encryption choice

WS> OK, updated.

OK, thanks, but I find some of gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.* are still encrypted.
Wolfgang Schnerring | 3 Dec 06:51 2008
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Re: regret harsh subscription encryption choice

* jidanni <at> jidanni.org [2008-12-03 03:02]:
> WS> OK, updated.
> OK, thanks, but I find some of gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.* are still encrypted.

Hmm, it seems I forgot some... but should have got them all, now.

Wolfgang

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Faried Nawaz | 4 Dec 09:41 2008
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a group hasn't shown up: gmane.org.telecom.pakistan-grid

Hello,

I requested the group for telecom-grid-pakistan <at> googlegroups.com.  I got
mail five days ago saying it had been subscribed and the group would be
created when the first message arrived.  There's been some traffic in
the list, but the group hasn't shown up.

Faried.
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Sven Joachim | 4 Dec 14:18 2008
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Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

[Sorry for the late reply -- this just got worse recently.]

On 2008-06-09 22:18 +0200, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de> writes:
>
>> Gmane modifies Message-IDs in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs by
>> adding (seemingly) arbitrary stuff to the original Message-ID.  This
>> causes broken threads when replying by mail, so what is the reason for
>> it?
>
> See "address encryption" in the FAQ.

I have now read that section, but I still do not understand why you are
encrypting _Message-IDs_.  What is this good for, especially when the
email addresses themselves are not (and should not be) encrypted?

Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well, and now I have no choice
but to break threads if I want to reply to a bug report. :-/

Unhappy,
        Sven
Sven Joachim | 4 Dec 19:39 2008
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Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

On 2008-12-04 14:18 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:

> Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
> gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well,

Although it is not done consistently there.  Only some Message-IDs are
encrypted, others not; I'm unable to find a pattern for that.

Oh, and the Message-IDs in the "References:" header are never encrypted,
meaning that threading in Gmane itself is utterly b0rked for messages
with encrypted Message-ID. :-(

Sven
Simon Josefsson | 4 Dec 20:15 2008

Re: Strange pdf-devel email from you

Simon Josefsson <simon <at> josefsson.org> writes:

> Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho <at> linpro.no> writes:
>
>> Simon Josefsson <simon <at> josefsson.org> writes:
>>
>>> Hi.  I got this from the gnupdf mail admin.  Is it possible to
>>> disable e-mail encryption for gmane.comp.gnu.pdf.devel?  It seems it
>>> doesn't work right.
>>>
>>> Btw, would it be possible to disable it for
>>> gmane.network.ssh.libssh2.devel too?  I manually modify the e-mail
>>> headers every time I e-mail that list, and sometimes I forget..
>>
>> why aren't you posting via NNTP instead?  then Gmane will sort it out
>> for you.
>
> Oh.  I had an old gnus-mailing-list-groups setting here.  I'll try
> posting via NNTP and see how it works.  If you don't get this post, it
> failed. :)

I have tried this for a few days now, and realized why I added the
gnus-mailing-list-groups setting in Gnus a long time ago:

By posting via NNTP, the person that sent the e-mail will not be cc'ed
(right?).  I often read mailing lists where the person sending e-mails
is not subscribed to the mailing list.  So posting to NNTP doesn't
really work in practice, the other person will not get my response.

Any chance encryption could be disabled for the two groups above?
(Continue reading)

Adam Sjøgren | 4 Dec 20:28 2008
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Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:39:44 +0100, Sven wrote:

> On 2008-12-04 14:18 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
>> gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well,

> Although it is not done consistently there.  Only some Message-IDs are
> encrypted, others not; I'm unable to find a pattern for that.

If any of the mailinglists are archived elsewhere, maybe you can glean
something from the other archives?

Could it be emails that are crossposted? Maybe linking to specific
examples will make it easier to track down?

  Just an idea,

    Adam

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Sven Joachim | 4 Dec 20:41 2008
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Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

On 2008-12-04 20:28 +0100, Adam Sjøgren wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:39:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
>
>> On 2008-12-04 14:18 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
>>> Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
>>> gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well,
>
>> Although it is not done consistently there.  Only some Message-IDs are
>> encrypted, others not; I'm unable to find a pattern for that.
>
> If any of the mailinglists are archived elsewhere, maybe you can glean
> something from the other archives?

I don't think they are archived, at least Debian does not do that for
these lists; only the individual bugs are archived.  Google Groups also
tracks them, but they don't even show Message-IDs.

> Could it be emails that are crossposted? Maybe linking to specific
> examples will make it easier to track down?

I will keep an eye on that in the next days.  For now I've added
"\\|Message-Id:" to gnus-visible-headers so that I can spot it more
easily.

Cheers,
       Sven
Sven Joachim | 4 Dec 20:46 2008
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Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

See also jidanni's complaint in <87d4go7hmd.fsf <at> jidanni.org> about the
same issue in a different group.

Sven

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