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Brolin Empey | 3 Nov 2007 00:58
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Can Gmane send reply notifications?

Hello,

Web forums, such as the popular phpBB and vBulletin, allow members to watch
topics.  The forum then notifies the member via e-mail when a new reply is
posted in a watched topic.  Can Gmane do the same through the Web interface?

I do not want to use a traditional, desktop newsreader application because I do
not use a laptop computer.  I use Gmane's Web interface to read groups from my
desktop PC at both home and work.

For mailing lists that only accept posts from members, I modify my subscription
so that the list does not mail me posts (not even a digest).  I do this because
I do not like my Gmail account to get filled with hundreds of messages that I
never read.  Consequently, I cannot use Gmail to notify me of replies to threads
I have posted in.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Brolin
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Martin Leben | 3 Nov 2007 02:13
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Re: Repeated "New group" messages in gmane.announce

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Martin Leben <ml060223 <at> leben.nu> writes:
> 
>> They all announces "gmane.linux.lfs.beyond.book".
> 
> I haven't found out why this happens.  At this point I'm guessing nfs
> problems.

Hi!

I'd like to bring up this subject again. Take a look at the traffic in 
gmane.announce the last few days. There are tons of announcements that appears 
multiple times. It's gotten more than 350 announcements in the last three days 
alone.

Thanks!

/Martin Leben
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Duncan | 3 Nov 2007 05:16
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Re: Can Gmane send reply notifications?

Brolin Empey <brolin.empey <at> gmail.com> posted
loom.20071102T232509-251 <at> post.gmane.org, excerpted below, on  Fri, 02 Nov
2007 23:58:22 +0000:

> Web forums, such as the popular phpBB and vBulletin, allow members to
> watch topics.  The forum then notifies the member via e-mail when a new
> reply is posted in a watched topic.  Can Gmane do the same through the
> Web interface?

Someone more familiar with the web interface can say for sure, but I 
don't believe so.

> I do not want to use a traditional, desktop newsreader application
> because I do not use a laptop computer.  I use Gmane's Web interface to
> read groups from my desktop PC at both home and work.

So you need something that will maintain state between them...

> For mailing lists that only accept posts from members, I modify my
> subscription so that the list does not mail me posts (not even a
> digest).  I do this because I do not like my Gmail account to get filled
> with hundreds of messages that I never read.  Consequently, I cannot use
> Gmail to notify me of replies to threads I have posted in.
> 
> Any ideas?

What about setting up a second gmail account, specifically for lists?  I 
don't use gmail, and strongly prefer the news interface for my lists, but 
I have separate email addresses for lists and news here, and it does make 
it much easier to manage things.  The big gmail space allotment means you
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Adam Sjøgren | 3 Nov 2007 09:39
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Re: Can Gmane send reply notifications?

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:58:22 +0000 (UTC), Brolin wrote:

> The forum then notifies the member via e-mail when a new reply is
> posted in a watched topic. Can Gmane do the same through the Web
> interface?

There is no such functionality in Gmane.

> I do not want to use a traditional, desktop newsreader application because I do
> not use a laptop computer.  I use Gmane's Web interface to read groups from my
> desktop PC at both home and work.

How do you know what you have read and what you haven't, when you go
from home to work and vice versa?

If you don't, you might as well use separate nntp-newsreaders in both
places?

  Best regards,

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Brolin Empey | 4 Nov 2007 17:13
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Re: Can Gmane send reply notifications?

Duncan <1i5t5.duncan <at> cox.net> writes:
> What about setting up a second gmail account, specifically for lists?

I prefer to have a single Gmail account for all my mail.  To be realistic, I
think the Gmail quota grows faster than mailing lists can fill my mailbox. :) 
The simplest and least expensive solution is to subscribe to my lists so that
they send all list messages to my Gmail account.  Then I could star the
conversations I have replied to, and use the view of all starred messages to see
which watched conversations contain new replies.  This is similar to e.g.
phpBB's egosearch ("View Your Posts") function.  However, unlike phpBB, all the
posts I never read end up clogging up my mailbox.  This is why I prefer Web
forums.  Why should I have to do so much work just to have the same
functionality as a Web forum?

> Another alternative, the one I'd probably do since I do prefer the news 
> interface, would be to use a news client that tracks via the standard 
> newsrc or similar format file.

Thanks, that is a good idea.  But it would be easier to use a laptop. :)

I think I should choose either my proposed Gmail solution, and/or buy a laptop.

Brolin

ADAM: I know by organic memory.  But this memory is much less reliable than an
HDD + DRAM. :)  One solution might be to find a way to have centralised cookies,
like del.icio.us for bookmarks.  But a better solution is to buy a laptop. :)
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Marcin Zajączkowski | 5 Nov 2007 23:09
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SSL version available at snews.gmane.org:119?

Hi,

In some networks they are very restrictive firewall rules and
connections to a port 563 aren't allowed. Because SSLed gmane is served
by another machine maybe you could configure stunnel to serve SSLed NNTP
also at snews.gmane.org:119?

Regards
Marcin
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Christopher Oezbek | 7 Nov 2007 14:55
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MBox from download.gmane.org contains inconvenient From line

Hi Lars, Hi Gmaners,
  I am using the download feature at gmane.org to make local copies of mailing-
lists and reading them offline. I have found that my mail client chokes on a 
couple of posts like

http://download.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bug-tracking.roundup.devel/83/84

because they contain unescaped "From ...."-lines in the body of the email (in 
the above case "From http://issues.fresco.org/bug35:"), which are treated as 
the beginning of a new email.

Can Gmane escape these lines as described in RFC 4155:

"Many implementations are also known to escape message body lines that
begin with the character sequence of "From ", so as to prevent
confusion with overly-liberal parsers that do not search for full
separator lines.  In the common case, a leading Greater-Than symbol
(0x3E) is used for this purpose (with "From " becoming ">From ").
However, other implementations are known not to escape such lines
unless they are immediately preceded by a blank line or if they also
appear to contain an email address and a timestamp.  Other
implementations are also known to perform secondary escapes against
these lines if they are already escaped or quoted, while others
ignore these mechanisms altogether."

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4155

So yes, the programm I use is crappy, but a fix still would be great :-D

Many thanks,
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Kjetil Torgrim Homme | 7 Nov 2007 17:27
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Re: MBox from download.gmane.org contains inconvenient From line

[Christopher Oezbek]:
>
>     I am using the download feature at gmane.org to make local
>   copies of mailing- lists and reading them offline. I have found
>   that my mail client chokes on a couple of posts like
>   
>   http://download.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bug-tracking.roundup.devel/83/84
>   
>   because they contain unescaped "From ...."-lines in the body of
>   the email (in the above case "From
>   http://issues.fresco.org/bug35:"), which are treated as the
>   beginning of a new email.

incorrectly, since the preceding line is *not* empty.

>   So yes, the programm I use is crappy, but a fix still would be
>   great :-D

please don't fix it, Lars, it's a lossy change.  if you *really* want
to fix it, do it by turning the Content-Transfer-Encoding into
quoted-printable so that you can change the "From" into "=46rom".
it's a fair bit more work, though...

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Kjetil T.
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Christopher Oezbek | 7 Nov 2007 19:09
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Re: MBox from download.gmane.org contains inconvenient From line

Hi!

Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho <at> kaksi.ifi.uio.no> writes:

> incorrectly, since the preceding line is *not* empty.

Yes, Kjetil. Still, I have just looked at 3 implementations of mbox readers and 
they all get it wrong, because they do not check for the empty line but just 
for "From ".

I use a little ruby script to escape the problematic lines for me, as I rather 
have an extra '>' if the client does not unescape instead of two pieces of 
separate email.

File.open("gmane.mbox", File::CREAT|File::TRUNC|File::RDWR ) { |newFile|
  text.each { |line|
    if (line =~ /^From .*$/) && !(line =~ /^From .*? .*[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]:[0-
9][0-9].*$/) then
      newFile.write(">")
      newFile.write(line)
    else 
      newFile.write(line)
    end
  }
}

> please don't fix it, Lars, it's a lossy change.

I am just wondering, are there any downsides to escaping?
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