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Steven G. Johnson | 1 Jun 2002 03:06

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Re: Gmane and GNU?

Jason R. Mastaler wrote:
> "Steven G. Johnson" <stevenj <at> alum.mit.edu> writes:
>>If not, I hope that you will contact the FSF about becoming an
>>official GNU project
> 
> What benefits are there, to becoming an "official GNU project"?

If you call yourself a "GNU" site and take advantage of the reputation 
of the GNU project, I would say that as a matter of courtesy (at least!) 
you should ask the GNU folks for their blessing.

(Put another way,  there are no "unofficial" GNU projects...everything 
from GNOME to gcc has the approval of the FSF, as far as I know.[*])

More positively, by being an official GNU project, people will know that 
the GNU in your name really means something---you gain a greater trust 
among the Free-Software/Open-Source communities.

Cordially,
Steven G. Johnson

[*] There is gnuplot, but its own authors stress that it is "gnuplot" 
and not "GNUplot", and the name is a historical accident (it was started 
in 1986, with little or no awareness of GNU).

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Jun 2002 15:43

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Another ReiserFS breakdown

ciao.gmane.org had another ReiserFS-related breakdown this morning,
so I took the opportunity to move ciao to xfs instead.  Let's hope
that's a bit less of a disaster area than ReiserFS is...

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Jason R. Mastaler | 1 Jun 2002 17:36

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Re: Gmane and GNU?

"Steven G. Johnson" <stevenj <at> alum.mit.edu> writes:

> by being an official GNU project, people will know that the GNU in
> your name really means something---you gain a greater trust among
> the Free-Software/Open-Source communities.

Uh, yeah.

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Jun 2002 18:43

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Added.

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Jun 2002 18:52

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Re: Gmane and GNU?

"Steven G. Johnson" <stevenj <at> alum.mit.edu> writes:

> I am a bit confused by the name, however---is there any actual
> relationship between Gmane and the GNU project?

Not really; no.

> Of course, to be a GNU project, the software for Gmane would have to
> be free, but I hope that you are planning this anyway---no important
> piece of Internet infrastructure should be proprietary.  (I couldn't
> find any software download on the Gmane site, but I hope that this is
> being planned.

The main reason for the software not being available is that it's not
in a very pretty state.  But I've now added a "Download" menu entry
to the web site that has a link to a checked-out version of the CVS
repository.  It's not for the faint of heart, though.
There's... Perl and stuff in there.

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Jun 2002 20:11

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Injecting mail archives

As the first test subject of my simple split-up-an-mbox-archive-
and-inject-it-into-Gmane, gmane.technology.erps underwent the
treatment today.  It was a new group, so it was a convenient test
subject.  Seems to be doing OK, although it seems like it's going to
run for quite a while...

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Steven G. Johnson | 1 Jun 2002 20:20

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Re: Gmane and GNU?

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
 > The main reason for the software not being available is that it's not
 > in a very pretty state.  But I've now added a "Download" menu entry
 > to the web site that has a link to a checked-out version of the CVS
 > repository.  It's not for the faint of heart, though.
 > There's... Perl and stuff in there.

Thanks for making the code downloadable (and under the GPL)!  It's very 
reassuring to see a commitment to free software, even (especially!) at 
an early stage, to know in what direction you are heading.

> "Steven G. Johnson" <stevenj <at> alum.mit.edu> writes
>>I am a bit confused by the name, however---is there any actual
>>relationship between Gmane and the GNU project
> 
> Not really; no.

Let me urge you again to send a message to gnu <at> gnu.org to volunteer to 
be a part of the GNU project---it's only fair, if you want to use the 
GNU name.  Since Gmane is free software, I imagine they'll happily say 
"yes" and there will be little more to it.

(Note that, as an official GNU project, you'll also be able to promote 
yourself on their mailing lists and web site, use facilities like their 
bug-tracking system, and they may even be able to arrange things like 
server space if you need it in the future.)

Cordially,
Steven G. Johnson

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Steinar Bang | 1 Jun 2002 21:46

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Re: Gmane and GNU?

>>>>> "Steven G. Johnson" <stevenj <at> alum.mit.edu>:

> Thanks for making the code downloadable (and under the GPL)!  It's
> very reassuring to see a commitment to free software, even
> (especially!) at an early stage, to know in what direction you are
> heading.

Does that mean that Lars actually knows where he is heading with this
thing...?

Steinar Bang | 1 Jun 2002 21:47

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Re: Injecting mail archives

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>:

> As the first test subject of my simple split-up-an-mbox-archive-
> and-inject-it-into-Gmane, gmane.technology.erps underwent the
> treatment today.  It was a new group, so it was a convenient test
> subject.  Seems to be doing OK, although it seems like it's going to
> run for quite a while...

What happens with old article numbers?

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | 1 Jun 2002 22:15

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Re: Gmane and GNU?

Steinar Bang <sb <at> dod.no> writes:

> Does that mean that Lars actually knows where he is heading with this
> thing...? 

Don't be absurd.  

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