Jon Presco | 12 Dec 19:08 2005
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Saint Nicolas and Befana

Saint Nicolas and Befana

The Counts of Champagne are buried in a church dedicated to Saint 
Nicolas who was worhipped in the Alsace.

"Stained glass: scenes of the life of Nicolas saint

It is in its capital troyenne, near its palate, that Henri the
Liberal chooses to build collegial intended to become the place of
burial of the counts de Champagne. It equips the building richly, as
testifies some the unit dispersed to stained glasses which could be
allotted to him. Life of saint Nicolas (one of the most popular
saints in XIIe century), represented on very nombeuses medieval
bays, the museum preserves two scenes of miracle (the Jew which
lends his money in front of the statue of the saint; the saint
saving of the prostituion the three girls of a ruined father). In a
town of fair like Troyes, charity and - new topic - wear offer to
the canons privileged subjects of preaching.

http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/O0007655.html
http://www.marche-de-noel-alsace.com/nicolas.htm

"Count Henri Ist "Le Liberal" succeeded his father Thibaut II "Le
Grand", and became son-in-law of King Louis VII by marrying his
daughter Marie de France. The first council of Troyes was created,
managed by "bourgeois" and a mayor (towards 1190). Major
construction work was undertaken; enlarging of the ramparts,
creation of new canals and the construction of a new Palace for the
Counts, on the current Place du Préau. The churches of Sainte
Madeleine, Saint Nicolas and Saint Pantaléon were built at that 
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Jon Presco | 12 Dec 19:25 2005
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The First Christmas Tree

Did the Rougemonts invent the Christmas Tree? The Rougemont/Ferrette 
family venerated Saint Thiebaut, both of them. On this site you will 
see a bishop carrying what
looks like a Christmas Tree.

http://www.eugubininelmondo.it/en/ubaldo.html

The name Thann means "fir tree" as in tannenbaum.

"Its history is associated that of the town of Thann, whose name
comes from the German word "tann" which wants to say fir tree.
Indeed, the legend wants that three lights were seen in June 1161 at
the top of the fir tree against which a relic of the Italian bishop
Ubaldo (death in May 1160) had been posed."

Here is a photo of a ghost.

http://tinyurl.com/b6l8v

Jon Presco

"The founding of this church, legend says, is because of a divine
sign given to the servant of St Thiebaut. The servant with St
Thiebaut's thumb in his pilgrim's staff (that is a whole other
story) was on his way home to Holland. His staff grew into the
ground in Thann, and the local Comte took it as a sign to build a
chapel here in honor of St Thiebaut. The staff came free after the
promise was made."

Collegial St Thiébaut de Thann is the most beautiful Gothic building
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Jon Presco | 12 Dec 19:24 2005
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The First Christmas Tree

Did the Rougemonts invent the Christmas Tree? The Rougemont/Ferrette 
family venerated Saint Thiebaut, both of them. On this site you will 
see a bishop carrying what
looks like a Christmas Tree.

http://www.eugubininelmondo.it/en/ubaldo.html

The name Thann means "fir tree" as in tannenbaum.

"Its history is associated that of the town of Thann, whose name
comes from the German word "tann" which wants to say fir tree.
Indeed, the legend wants that three lights were seen in June 1161 at
the top of the fir tree against which a relic of the Italian bishop
Ubaldo (death in May 1160) had been posed."

Here is a photo of a ghost.

http://tinyurl.com/b6l8v

Jon Presco

"The founding of this church, legend says, is because of a divine
sign given to the servant of St Thiebaut. The servant with St
Thiebaut's thumb in his pilgrim's staff (that is a whole other
story) was on his way home to Holland. His staff grew into the
ground in Thann, and the local Comte took it as a sign to build a
chapel here in honor of St Thiebaut. The staff came free after the
promise was made."

Collegial St Thiébaut de Thann is the most beautiful Gothic building
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capauno4000 | 13 Dec 17:57 2005
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Reflections on good and evil

My name is Lorenzo Crescini  and I'm Italian. These "Flashes on Good 
and evil" reflect the same mood characterizing the Flashes on the 
Holy Gospels and Turin's Holy Shroud I wrote in Africa: making myself 
useful to our Lord Jesus Christ.
I will start by quoting the best Prayer to Jesus I've ever read.
At the very beginning some reflections concern the devil one.
I thank all those who will read me, write to me, will ask for an 
explanation and those who will be able and willing to advertise what 
they read by Web, the press or however they like. 
I am confident that the last of my Reflections containing a few lined 
short account of my life,  will be devoted to all of us who are proud 
of the Lord.

Web site
www.lorenzocrescini.it/reflections 
personal e-mail for communications
ricercapap <at> lorenzocrescini.it 

Best regards

Here are  three Reflections as an example

24)	One cannot or mustn't say to those who are ill and 
suffering: " That's God who puts you to the test". In this way we 
would offend The God of Endless Love who cannot wish our suffering. 
One needs say to those who suffer: " God's Son himself suffered 
because of evil, but you will also resurrect with Him, as He did". 
That is the truth and only the truth can give one who suffers the 
Hope which won't let him fall into that despair the devil one wants 
to seize his soul and conscience! Saying: "it's God who puts you to 
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Jon Presco | 13 Dec 21:26 2005
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Book

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13b.htm 

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bfx | 13 Dec 19:30 2005

Fw: benjamin judah

 
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IS THIS BENJAMIN JUDAH ASSOCIATED WITH THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE?....BFX
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah

HI JON....IN A PREVIOUS POST YOU MENTION BENJAMIN JUDAH AND ASK....IS THIS THE FACE OF SOLOMON ?.......REGARDS BFX

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Blazon de Bar

"You basically offer no help whatsoever. This list is obviously of no
> help to me at all. I've got Paul Smith and Jon Presco and a who 
knows what other lunatics. None of you has the slightest clue as to 
what Templarism is--now or then. None of you do any research. You 
are all just members, without doing anything to help.  What a 
pathetic bunch of losers."

Aren't we being a bit melodramatic here, Mr. Arney, with this 
anchor? What do you have at stake? What is Templarism?

Perhaps you can give us an example by practicing some manners, and 
by offering your help, your expertise? Forinstance, what do you 
think these two fish represent in the blazon of Andre de Montbard 
the co-founder of the Knight Templars, and the uncle of Saint 
Bernard.

http://www.insolite.asso.fr/templiers/maitres.htm

ANDRE of MONTBARD At the end of 1154 - October 17, 1156 Uncle de 
Saint-Bernard, it was, according to cartulaires of the Holy 
Sepulchre and of Saint-Lazare, Sénéchal of about a 1148 to 1151. He 
appears for the first time as Maître of the Temple, May 27, 1155 in 
an act of Baudouin III, and in an identical act June 27, 1155 
concerning a confirmation of exchange with the Mélissande queen. 
Famous and liked, it carried also the title of count d' Ascalon. The 
obituaire of Bonlieu dates its death from October 17, 1156.

This is the same two fish found on the blazon of the Ferrette family 
and the Counts de Bar.

http://www.ngw.nl/int/fra/f/ferrette.htm
http://tinyurl.com/7lz7d

Here we see the same blazon on this happy chap, this good sport who 
dressed as a knight, is jousting with the Knights of Rougemont. At 
least they are having fun. Perhaps it is because they are kin?

http://www.ferrette-medievale.org/album_photos.php
http://www.rougemont.be/main.html
http://jean-paul.caspar.club.fr/Bereswinthe_2/fp_1c.html#720

How come you didn't find this connection, Bill? How come I did? 
Perhaps it is because I have refused all the anchors you have tossed 
me.

Your Templarism is but a drop in the bucket compared to what I have 
offered, not even enough to fill a thimble. Get lost, loser!

Jon Presco

ANDRE of MONTBARD, brother of Aleth de Montbard which was the mother 
of Saint Bernard, of the family of the counts de Bar.

According to Mr. Chaume, " Holy Bernard and his time " Andre de 
Montbard entered the Order of the Temple about 1129-1130.

According to Marion Melville, " the Life of Templiers ", it was to 
be same age that Bernard, is 36 years in 1126.

According to Laurent Dailliez, " Templiers, government and 
institutions ", and " Templiers, these unknown ", According to the 
acts of the family of Montbard, André were 23 years old in 1126. If 
Andre de Montbard were one of the nine which founded the Order of 
the Temple, that would like to say that it had left at 15 years out 
of Holy Land. All the " compilers " admit that André de Montbard was 
member of the Order before the council of Troyes which besides does 
not quote it at all. In 1129, we find André de Montbard ratifying an 
act in favour of the abbey of Molesmes and which milked with a 
donation made by Milon de Montbard. In this act, if he had been a 
templier he would be quoted with mention france Templi or Templi 
miles. How it is made whereas the young Burgundian lord is in France 
in 1129 and that it is never quoted in the documents templiers, from 
the rule to the deeds of gifts.

Lastly, letter 350 of Saint Bernard, written about 1141, and 
addressed to the Innocent pope II, Bernard requires of the pope a 
blessing for a relative going to Jerusalem to make his training of 
Templier " on its requests, your servant kindly requests to us, so 
that it succeeds in the good company which it began, to grant to him 
your encouragements, your protection, your prayers, your blessing. 
He is my relative, and, according to opinion's of the prophet, I 
should not have scorned my own blood ". Translation Armand Ravelet, 
t.II, p.26.

In 1144, Saint Bernard addresses a letter to the Mélisande queen in 
whom it speaks about her uncle André, lately Templier.

Marion Melville in " the Life of Templiers " 2nd edition p. 59, 
gives a passage of this letter: " I (Bernard de Clairvaux) 
astonishes me that I do not have letters of you since already a long 
time; but my very dear uncle André has just given me better news of 
you... "

http://www.insolite.asso.fr/plateforme/OT-014.htm

> 
> >  julie........ marylandgreenbird <at> e... ...... 1// among my 
> > notes {{notes takien from reading priory-related books}}  was a 
> > brief - - - very brief - - - notes re de Payen's son thibaut - - 
do 
> > you wish me to look for it ?   i don't think it was all that 
meaty,  
> > but  .  .  
> 
> Yeah, Julie, go ahead. Pursue the source. It will help like an 
anvil to a
> drowning man.
> 
> .
> > 2// was watching a  'history channel'  feature re templars,  and 
the 
> > narrator spoke of the  'very wealthy hugh dePayen.'   i always 
rather 
> > thought of dePayen as a member of minor nobility - - - certainly 
not 
> > a wealthy magnate.   was the television narrator exaggerating or 
am 
> > i correct ?

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Jon Presco | 14 Dec 07:51 2005
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Re: Fw: benjamin judah

I don't know. 

Jon

"Knights of the Golden Circle 

Knights of the Golden Circle, secret order of Southern sympathizers 
in the North during the Civil War. Its members were known as 
Copperheads. Dr. George W. L. Bickley, a Virginian who had moved to 
Ohio, organized the first "castle," or local branch, in Cincinnati 
in 1854 and soon took the order to the South, where it was 
enthusiastically received. Its principal object was to provide a 
force to colonize the northern part of Mexico and thus extend 
proslavery interests, and the Knights became especially active in 
Texas. Secession and the outbreak of the Civil War prompted a shift 
in its aims from filibustering in Mexico to support of the new 
Southern government. Appealing to the South's friends in the North, 
particularly in areas that were suffering economic dislocation, the 
order soon spread to Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and 
Missouri. Its membership in these states, where it became strongest, 
was largely composed of Peace Democrats, who felt that the Civil War 
was a mistake and that the increasing power of the federal 
government was leading toward tyranny. They did not, however, at 
this time engage in any treasonable activity. In late 1863 the 
Knights of the Golden Circle was reorganized as the Order of 
American Knights and again, early in 1864, as the Order of the Sons 
of Liberty, with Clement L. Vallandigham, most prominent of the 
Copperheads, as its supreme commander. Only a minority of its 
membership was radical enough—in some localities—to discourage 
enlistments, resist the draft, and shield deserters. Numerous peace 
meetings were held. A few extreme agitators, some of them encouraged 
by Southern money, talked of a revolt in the Old Northwest, which, 
if brought about, would end the war. Southern newspapers wishfully 
reported stories of widespread disaffection, and John Hunt Morgan's 
raid (1863) into Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio was undertaken in the 
expectation that the disaffected element would rally to his 
standard. Gov. Oliver P. Morton of Indiana and Gen. Henry B. 
Carrington effectively curbed the Sons of Liberty in that state in 
the fall of 1864. With mounting Union victories late in 1864, the 
order's agitation for a negotiated peace lost appeal, and it soon 
dissolved.
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> Subject: Re: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah
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> IS THIS BENJAMIN JUDAH ASSOCIATED WITH THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN 
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>   Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:44 AM
>   Subject: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah
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Jon Presco | 14 Dec 07:54 2005
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"When Richmond was burning, Secretary of State, Judah Benjamin 
burned the record of his and Hines' secret dealings with the 
Copperhead leaders."

Very interesting! 

Jon

The story of the Copperheads, gaudy with secret symbols, passwords 
and other conspiratorial paraphenalia, is bloody and full of mighty 
terror. Beneath the theatrical props were real violence and 
fanticism. The true scope of the Copperheads will probably never be 
known. When Richmond was burning, Secretary of State, Judah Benjamin 
burned the record of his and Hines' secret dealings with the 
Copperhead leaders. However, Hines kept copies of many of his 
reports and letters, which he sent to his wife with instructions to 
hide them.

The Knights of the Golden Circle Mayor may not have been the 
outgrowth of the Southern Rights Clubs of the 1830's. Six ships, all 
equipped for piracy, were sent out on the high seas by the Clubs, 
but they were seized and burned by the British.

In 1854 a wonderful old humbug, George W. L. Bickley, took over the 
Clubs and organized the Knights of the Golden Circle, with 
headquarters in Cincinnati, Bickley had an impressive list of 
medical degrees - all forged, of course, - and a suitcase of secret 
signs, symbols and a "book of rites". Under his management the 
Knights spread like wildfire all through the Cotton South. From 
hocuspocus rituals they turned to violence and conquest when they 
tried to promote the extension of slavery by the conquest of Mexico.

Secession wee their goal in 1860. "Castles" as the Knights called 
their lodges, sprang up in non-seceding States. Bickley, active in 
this work in Kentucky, was threatened with arrest and fled to 
Virginia. But the movement flourished in Kentucky and became a real 
danger to the Union Army after war broke out.

Not all the Knights knew the secret aims of their leaders. Many 
solemnly went through the fantastic rituals, swore their oaths, 
believing themselves to be only Democrats preserving the freedom of 
the ballot against tyrannica1 Republicans. Only those who took the 
last two advanced degrees of the ritual were told - then only 
orally - of the violent goals their leaders had set. Armed sentries, 
sometimes the strength of a full Company, guarded the meeting places.

In Illinois the Knights were openly gathering recruits for the 
Confederate Army in 1861. In Iowa they burned the homes of men who 
joined the Federals. In Des Moines the U. S. Marshall found evidence 
that the Knights were gunnrunning into Missouri for Quantrill's 
guerrillas. In August, 1862 the Chicago Tribune declared the 
movement had 20,000 members. Missouri membership was reported from 
10,000 to 60,000 with Castles springing up in every section of the 
State.

Althought I find no connection between the two groups, long before 
the hysteria of secession and actual warfare which brought the 
Copperheads into being, a group of men in our government dreamed of 
an empire to stabilize slavery in the area. They took the first 
opportunity to do just that. Their idea was that an imaginary Golden 
Circle be drawn, 16 degrees latitude and 16 degrees longitude, with 
its center at Havana, Cuba. It reached north into Pennsylvania and 
Ohio, also including the slave States, and South - - to the Isthmus 
of Darien. It embraced the West Indian Islands and those of the 
Carribean Sea with a great part of Mexico and Central America. The 
idea was, to purchase Cuba if possible, otherwise take it by force. 
Their first opportunity came when the U. S. Merchant vessel Black 
Warrior wee seized and condemned by authorities at Havana (28th Feb. 
1864) for an error in her manifest. A clamor for war with Spain 
broke out among expansionists in Congress. Pierre Soule' U. S. 
Minister to Spain, presented a claim for damages, followed by an 
ultimatum demanding immediate satisfaction. Secretary Marcy checked 
Soule', and in 1855 the U. S. accepted a Spanish apology and 
reparation. Soule' was instructed by Marcy to meet at Ostend, 
Belgium, with John Y. Mason, and James Buchanan, U. S. Minister to 
France and Great Britain, respectively, for the purpose of shaping a 
policy on the acquisition of Cuba. The meeting with the approval of 
President Pierce, resulted in the Ostend Manifesto. Declaring Cuba 
indispensable for the security of slavery, the Ministers recommended 
that the U. S. should make every effort to buy Cuba, should Spain 
refuse, "then by every law, human and divine, we shall be justified 
in wresting it from her, if we possessed the power."

--- In Templar-de-Rosemont <at> yahoogroups.com, "Jon Presco" 
<braskewitz <at> y...> wrote:
>
> I don't know. 
> 
> Jon
> 
> "Knights of the Golden Circle 
> 
> Knights of the Golden Circle, secret order of Southern 
sympathizers 
> in the North during the Civil War. Its members were known as 
> Copperheads. Dr. George W. L. Bickley, a Virginian who had moved 
to 
> Ohio, organized the first "castle," or local branch, in Cincinnati 
> in 1854 and soon took the order to the South, where it was 
> enthusiastically received. Its principal object was to provide a 
> force to colonize the northern part of Mexico and thus extend 
> proslavery interests, and the Knights became especially active in 
> Texas. Secession and the outbreak of the Civil War prompted a 
shift 
> in its aims from filibustering in Mexico to support of the new 
> Southern government. Appealing to the South's friends in the 
North, 
> particularly in areas that were suffering economic dislocation, 
the 
> order soon spread to Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and 
> Missouri. Its membership in these states, where it became 
strongest, 
> was largely composed of Peace Democrats, who felt that the Civil 
War 
> was a mistake and that the increasing power of the federal 
> government was leading toward tyranny. They did not, however, at 
> this time engage in any treasonable activity. In late 1863 the 
> Knights of the Golden Circle was reorganized as the Order of 
> American Knights and again, early in 1864, as the Order of the 
Sons 
> of Liberty, with Clement L. Vallandigham, most prominent of the 
> Copperheads, as its supreme commander. Only a minority of its 
> membership was radical enough—in some localities—to discourage 
> enlistments, resist the draft, and shield deserters. Numerous 
peace 
> meetings were held. A few extreme agitators, some of them 
encouraged 
> by Southern money, talked of a revolt in the Old Northwest, which, 
> if brought about, would end the war. Southern newspapers wishfully 
> reported stories of widespread disaffection, and John Hunt 
Morgan's 
> raid (1863) into Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio was undertaken in the 
> expectation that the disaffected element would rally to his 
> standard. Gov. Oliver P. Morton of Indiana and Gen. Henry B. 
> Carrington effectively curbed the Sons of Liberty in that state in 
> the fall of 1864. With mounting Union victories late in 1864, the 
> order's agitation for a negotiated peace lost appeal, and it soon 
> dissolved.
> --- In Templar-de-Rosemont <at> yahoogroups.com, "bfx" <xbfx <at> r...> 
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> > Subject: Re: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah
> > 
> > 
> > IS THIS BENJAMIN JUDAH ASSOCIATED WITH THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN 
> CIRCLE?....BFX
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: bfx 
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> >   Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:44 AM
> >   Subject: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah
> > 
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bfx | 14 Dec 12:45 2005

Re: Fw: benjamin judah

thank you jon.............i have found that during the civil war,guelph was
full of confederate spies and operatives...hines lived about 40 miles away
......in each direction,at different times.......he ,albert pike,and other
confederates, lived and spent a lot of time in toronto,st. catherines and
other nearby cities,,,,,look at pikes involvements and
achievements.......galts father in law was alexander tilloch.....habsburg
was involved with the kgc......scottish rite?.......was maxi destined to be
emperor of mexico.......canada........ultimately...america???......was north
america groomed to return to a holy roman empire model ?.....did maxi's
execution derail this endevour......is that why canada confederated in
1867.......is lincolns death involved ?????
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Subject: Re: Fw: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah

"When Richmond was burning, Secretary of State, Judah Benjamin
burned the record of his and Hines' secret dealings with the
Copperhead leaders."

Very interesting!

Jon

The story of the Copperheads, gaudy with secret symbols, passwords
and other conspiratorial paraphenalia, is bloody and full of mighty
terror. Beneath the theatrical props were real violence and
fanticism. The true scope of the Copperheads will probably never be
known. When Richmond was burning, Secretary of State, Judah Benjamin
burned the record of his and Hines' secret dealings with the
Copperhead leaders. However, Hines kept copies of many of his
reports and letters, which he sent to his wife with instructions to
hide them.

The Knights of the Golden Circle Mayor may not have been the
outgrowth of the Southern Rights Clubs of the 1830's. Six ships, all
equipped for piracy, were sent out on the high seas by the Clubs,
but they were seized and burned by the British.

In 1854 a wonderful old humbug, George W. L. Bickley, took over the
Clubs and organized the Knights of the Golden Circle, with
headquarters in Cincinnati, Bickley had an impressive list of
medical degrees - all forged, of course, - and a suitcase of secret
signs, symbols and a "book of rites". Under his management the
Knights spread like wildfire all through the Cotton South. From
hocuspocus rituals they turned to violence and conquest when they
tried to promote the extension of slavery by the conquest of Mexico.

Secession wee their goal in 1860. "Castles" as the Knights called
their lodges, sprang up in non-seceding States. Bickley, active in
this work in Kentucky, was threatened with arrest and fled to
Virginia. But the movement flourished in Kentucky and became a real
danger to the Union Army after war broke out.

Not all the Knights knew the secret aims of their leaders. Many
solemnly went through the fantastic rituals, swore their oaths,
believing themselves to be only Democrats preserving the freedom of
the ballot against tyrannica1 Republicans. Only those who took the
last two advanced degrees of the ritual were told - then only
orally - of the violent goals their leaders had set. Armed sentries,
sometimes the strength of a full Company, guarded the meeting places.

In Illinois the Knights were openly gathering recruits for the
Confederate Army in 1861. In Iowa they burned the homes of men who
joined the Federals. In Des Moines the U. S. Marshall found evidence
that the Knights were gunnrunning into Missouri for Quantrill's
guerrillas. In August, 1862 the Chicago Tribune declared the
movement had 20,000 members. Missouri membership was reported from
10,000 to 60,000 with Castles springing up in every section of the
State.

Althought I find no connection between the two groups, long before
the hysteria of secession and actual warfare which brought the
Copperheads into being, a group of men in our government dreamed of
an empire to stabilize slavery in the area. They took the first
opportunity to do just that. Their idea was that an imaginary Golden
Circle be drawn, 16 degrees latitude and 16 degrees longitude, with
its center at Havana, Cuba. It reached north into Pennsylvania and
Ohio, also including the slave States, and South - - to the Isthmus
of Darien. It embraced the West Indian Islands and those of the
Carribean Sea with a great part of Mexico and Central America. The
idea was, to purchase Cuba if possible, otherwise take it by force.
Their first opportunity came when the U. S. Merchant vessel Black
Warrior wee seized and condemned by authorities at Havana (28th Feb.
1864) for an error in her manifest. A clamor for war with Spain
broke out among expansionists in Congress. Pierre Soule' U. S.
Minister to Spain, presented a claim for damages, followed by an
ultimatum demanding immediate satisfaction. Secretary Marcy checked
Soule', and in 1855 the U. S. accepted a Spanish apology and
reparation. Soule' was instructed by Marcy to meet at Ostend,
Belgium, with John Y. Mason, and James Buchanan, U. S. Minister to
France and Great Britain, respectively, for the purpose of shaping a
policy on the acquisition of Cuba. The meeting with the approval of
President Pierce, resulted in the Ostend Manifesto. Declaring Cuba
indispensable for the security of slavery, the Ministers recommended
that the U. S. should make every effort to buy Cuba, should Spain
refuse, "then by every law, human and divine, we shall be justified
in wresting it from her, if we possessed the power."

--- In Templar-de-Rosemont <at> yahoogroups.com, "Jon Presco"
<braskewitz <at> y...> wrote:
>
> I don't know.
>
> Jon
>
> "Knights of the Golden Circle
>
> Knights of the Golden Circle, secret order of Southern
sympathizers
> in the North during the Civil War. Its members were known as
> Copperheads. Dr. George W. L. Bickley, a Virginian who had moved
to
> Ohio, organized the first "castle," or local branch, in Cincinnati
> in 1854 and soon took the order to the South, where it was
> enthusiastically received. Its principal object was to provide a
> force to colonize the northern part of Mexico and thus extend
> proslavery interests, and the Knights became especially active in
> Texas. Secession and the outbreak of the Civil War prompted a
shift
> in its aims from filibustering in Mexico to support of the new
> Southern government. Appealing to the South's friends in the
North,
> particularly in areas that were suffering economic dislocation,
the
> order soon spread to Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and
> Missouri. Its membership in these states, where it became
strongest,
> was largely composed of Peace Democrats, who felt that the Civil
War
> was a mistake and that the increasing power of the federal
> government was leading toward tyranny. They did not, however, at
> this time engage in any treasonable activity. In late 1863 the
> Knights of the Golden Circle was reorganized as the Order of
> American Knights and again, early in 1864, as the Order of the
Sons
> of Liberty, with Clement L. Vallandigham, most prominent of the
> Copperheads, as its supreme commander. Only a minority of its
> membership was radical enough-in some localities-to discourage
> enlistments, resist the draft, and shield deserters. Numerous
peace
> meetings were held. A few extreme agitators, some of them
encouraged
> by Southern money, talked of a revolt in the Old Northwest, which,
> if brought about, would end the war. Southern newspapers wishfully
> reported stories of widespread disaffection, and John Hunt
Morgan's
> raid (1863) into Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio was undertaken in the
> expectation that the disaffected element would rally to his
> standard. Gov. Oliver P. Morton of Indiana and Gen. Henry B.
> Carrington effectively curbed the Sons of Liberty in that state in
> the fall of 1864. With mounting Union victories late in 1864, the
> order's agitation for a negotiated peace lost appeal, and it soon
> dissolved.
> --- In Templar-de-Rosemont <at> yahoogroups.com, "bfx" <xbfx <at> r...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bfx
> > To: Templar-de-Rosemont <at> yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah
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> > IS THIS BENJAMIN JUDAH ASSOCIATED WITH THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN
> CIRCLE?....BFX
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: bfx
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> >   Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:44 AM
> >   Subject: [Templar-de-Rosemont] benjamin judah
> >
> >
> >   HI JON....IN A PREVIOUS POST YOU MENTION BENJAMIN JUDAH AND
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