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Alexandria | 1 Mar 2010 01:56
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SEEKING ROOMIES! - Coworking + Office Share ; Downtown Los Angeles

HI!

My name is Key!

I am seeking roomies for my new coworking space in Downtown Los
Angeles.

If you are interested in cohabitation, please email me back with
contact information.

Space will be available April 1, 2010 but is limited to 25.

Table space,  wireless, and office accommodations will be available.

Please contact me asap for pdf and more info..

Thank you and have an amazing day!

-Key
http://www.ikhloe.com

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Alex Hillman | 1 Mar 2010 07:24
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Coworking.com, not an org, instead a "license"

I'm still going to close up the brainstorm (since we've had at least a couple of good ideas) at 5pm EST today for the funds redistribution, and will re-post the ideas that I got. If you've got something specifically related to how funds are collected, and how the funders are rewarded, today's the day.

But the real reason for this post:
I was doing some digging into my own personal archives, and found an 22 month old post of mine, from back when this list was a mere 1000 people. Ha.


Please read it before continuing this post. If you're not going to read the whole thing, I'd ask that you consider these excerpts:

When I describe the beauty of the coworking movement to someone, it goes something like this:

Coworking isn’t really a franchise, but it’s sort of an open source franchise. I say that in the capacity that there is no monetary buy in to participate in the community, and yet, you’ve got the experiences (successes and failures) of everyone before you to work with. We’ve got a wickedly strong toolbox, and you can have it. At this stage in the game, with all of the press, you’ve got a very strong brand and high rate of press visiblity to work with. You can use whatever you want. It’s here for you. All we ask is that as you grow, learn, and achieve, you remember where you started and keep us posted. This isn’t just for us, cuz we’re going to do it too. It’s for the generations to come, as the movement grows, morphs, and evolves.

So if it seems a little absurd that I’m freaking out about people branding themselves as “coworking” and not contributing to the list (or any visible forum), you see what I’m getting at?

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In the case of coworking that I’m trying to illustrate, it’s about representation.

I’m not asking for a financial buy in to use the brand “coworking” (if anybody should, it’d be Brad Neuberg, but even he doesn’t want that from you). The fact that Brad has only ever asked that his name be attributed as the origin of the word as related to this movement is key, and I understand his reasoning completely: the success of the movement that contributed groundwork to is a crucial part of his C.V., and when he gets around to his next big idea, it’s important that his attribution in the coworking history books is present.

Attribution. Linkbacks. A track record for, and of, sharing. This is all really, really important or else the whole thing risks toppling in on itself.

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What would a coworking license look like? I’m not totally sure yet. I know I’m not interested in restriction, since that would be entirely counter to the principles of the movement. I’m just looking at little things to help enforce reciprocity.

Am I interested in policing such a thing? Of course not.

But if there’s something on paper, misunderstandings can be dealt with.

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And really, all I want is to help give back even a little piece of what I’ve gotten from this community. As the movement grows, those expectations need to be set forth clearly.

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And since that’s what we want with coworking (more people to experiment on the model and link back to their inspirations, as well as provide new inspirations), I think that could be helpful.

I know not everyone thinks about giving back, and if you require people to, you’ll always be disappointed. That’s the unfortunate reality. I accept that.

I think we’re lucky to be part of a community where the leeching is still the less-common situation. But as the movement grows more and more, the opportunities for exploit increase.

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I didn't push the idea at the time, but was more watching patterns and getting frustrated. Some of those patterns have evolved, and brought us to where we are today.

I'd like to offer the idea that's more lightweight than the organizations that have been proposed. The thing we've really been talking about is ironing out the expectations associated with coworking, and largely, tying them back to core values somehow. The problems with organizations are many, and something I'm not interested in debating here. What I'm curious, legitimately curious because I don't have enough knowledge to back up successful or failed models, is the idea of using something like a license to unify us and set expectations. 

Not like a drivers license, but like a software license. One that encourages sharing, reciprocity, building market value, and ultimately, more knowledge capital along with the word "coworking" and its associated ideas.

The downsides to this, of course, are that software licenses themselves have a bit of a holy war background to them, and that they're complicated to understand. Such is legal.

The upside is, it addresses some unity and usage with the word coworking, which we all value enough to have spent the last 3 weeks discussing a domain and its implications on the list.

I don't know if this idea has legs, and love to open up the floor for founded discussion.

/ah
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Mike Schinkel | 1 Mar 2010 07:35

Re: Coworking.com, not an org, instead a "license"

On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:
I'd like to offer the idea that's more lightweight than the organizations that have been proposed. The thing we've really been talking about is ironing out the expectations associated with coworking, and largely, tying them back to core values somehow. The problems with organizations are many, and something I'm not interested in debating here. What I'm curious, legitimately curious because I don't have enough knowledge to back up successful or failed models, is the idea of using something like a license to unify us and set expectations. 

Not like a drivers license, but like a software license. One that encourages sharing, reciprocity, building market value, and ultimately, more knowledge capital along with the word "coworking" and its associated ideas.

The downsides to this, of course, are that software licenses themselves have a bit of a holy war background to them, and that they're complicated to understand. Such is legal.

As you are envisioning it, what exactly would be licensed, and who would be licensing it?

-Mike Schinkel
Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
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Alex Hillman | 1 Mar 2010 07:40
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Re: Coworking.com, not an org, instead a "license"

As you are envisioning it, what exactly would be licensed, and who would be licensing it?

Not sure.

It was an idea, not a literal translation of licensing models. My suggestion is that we might look there for cues, not directly port anything that necessarily exists. Learn from what has worked well, and what hasn't. Someone already pointed out that I might have chosen the wrong CC license on the coworking.com homepage, but didn't suggest or explain an alternative so I haven't changed it yet. 

The idea isn't fully baked, just a new ingredient I wanted to mix in.

/ah
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On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel <at> newclarity.net> wrote:
On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:
I'd like to offer the idea that's more lightweight than the organizations that have been proposed. The thing we've really been talking about is ironing out the expectations associated with coworking, and largely, tying them back to core values somehow. The problems with organizations are many, and something I'm not interested in debating here. What I'm curious, legitimately curious because I don't have enough knowledge to back up successful or failed models, is the idea of using something like a license to unify us and set expectations. 

Not like a drivers license, but like a software license. One that encourages sharing, reciprocity, building market value, and ultimately, more knowledge capital along with the word "coworking" and its associated ideas.

The downsides to this, of course, are that software licenses themselves have a bit of a holy war background to them, and that they're complicated to understand. Such is legal.

As you are envisioning it, what exactly would be licensed, and who would be licensing it?

-Mike Schinkel
Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
http://ignitionalley.com



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Avdi Grimm | 1 Mar 2010 04:15
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Intro

Hi there,

At Dave Troy's suggestion I'm joining this list. My name is Avdi
Grimm. I'm a software developer living in Southern PA. As someone who
works from home by choice in order to be close to my family, and as a
member of a fully distributed company, coworking makes a lot of sense
for me as a way to periodically get out of the house and enjoy a team
environment.

I'm somewhat active in the Baltimore tech community, and I've attended
the Baltimore Beehive a few times. Lately I've started to work on
building a coworking community that's a little closer to home. I've
started a coworking meetup in York, PA which had it's first meetup
last Friday.

I'm sure I'll have questions as that group finds it's legs, so I'm
glad to discover this community. I look forward to learning a lot from
fellow coworkers near and far.

Cheers,

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Mike Schinkel | 1 Mar 2010 08:46

Re: Coworking.com, not an org, instead a "license"

Hi Alex,

I like essence of the idea, but I can't see directly how to apply it.

When I look at open source licenses (which is what I assume inspired you) they are licenses that people apply to their software and those licenses are free for anyone to use to apply to their software.  The OSI's role is to bless the licenses.

The best analogy to open source licenses I can see would be to have a member agreements that coworking facilities can use where the member agreements would be "approved" as coworking member agreements. And just like open source licenses there could be many different approved member agreements.  But to follow the open source lead all approved member agreements would need to be consistent with a single set of core bedrock principles. And it would be these principles which we would discuss and then agree upon.  After that any member agreements that wanted the "coworking" seal of approval would need to be submitted and reviewed before approving.

Now, that said, I'm not necessarily advocating the above nor do I even know if it would be possible for it to be workable.  But it is the analogy I see.

What I do see as a possible start, assuming you and others agree, could be to identify those principles when can be objectively evaluated/measured to which we all agree.  If approved member agreements follow from there, great. Or if something else follows from there, great too.  Of course what those principles are I'd prefer you to start...

-Mike


On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:

As you are envisioning it, what exactly would be licensed, and who would be licensing it?

Not sure.

It was an idea, not a literal translation of licensing models. My suggestion is that we might look there for cues, not directly port anything that necessarily exists. Learn from what has worked well, and what hasn't. Someone already pointed out that I might have chosen the wrong CC license on the coworking.com homepage, but didn't suggest or explain an alternative so I haven't changed it yet. 

The idea isn't fully baked, just a new ingredient I wanted to mix in.

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel <at> newclarity.net> wrote:
On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:
I'd like to offer the idea that's more lightweight than the organizations that have been proposed. The thing we've really been talking about is ironing out the expectations associated with coworking, and largely, tying them back to core values somehow. The problems with organizations are many, and something I'm not interested in debating here. What I'm curious, legitimately curious because I don't have enough knowledge to back up successful or failed models, is the idea of using something like a license to unify us and set expectations. 

Not like a drivers license, but like a software license. One that encourages sharing, reciprocity, building market value, and ultimately, more knowledge capital along with the word "coworking" and its associated ideas.

The downsides to this, of course, are that software licenses themselves have a bit of a holy war background to them, and that they're complicated to understand. Such is legal.

As you are envisioning it, what exactly would be licensed, and who would be licensing it?

-Mike Schinkel
Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
http://ignitionalley.com




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andrew@co-worka.com.au | 1 Mar 2010 08:57
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Re: Coworking arrives in Sydney, Australia

Thanks for all your messages of support, much appreciated.
Steve your welcome to send me an email about your live show request.
Today was a great day at CO-WORKA as a reporter/photographer came over
from the regional newspaper (Manly Daily) to write a spread on us.

Only 4 days to go now to our Launch Night Party, ahhh!!

Thanks

Andrew

On Feb 24, 11:45 am, Steve Purkiss <steve.purk... <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Congratulations - I'm moving into my shiny new flat here in
> Brightoncisco on 5th March so will be celebrating with you!
>
> Haven't quite managed to create my own space yet but going to start by
> utilising the new flat as a kinda 'lab' to try out a few ideas:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevepurkiss/4313769248/
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> I'm on a mission to do some live video shows with some local geniuses
> over the next few months - would be great to do a live show with you
> guys once we're both up and running.
>
> I'd love to live in Sydney, so would be fun to find out more about our
> respective tech worlds.
>
> Steve Purkiss
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> http://purkiss.com
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>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:55 AM, andrew <at> co-worka<ad... <at> co-worka.com.au> wrote:
> > Wow, we're nearly there. Its been a huge effort by lots of people over
> > here in Australia to open the first coworking space in Sydney called
> >CO-WORKA.
> > Big thank you to all those people out there who have given their time
> > and hard graft to get us to the point we're now at.
>
> > Crazy journey from driving enormous trucks though Sydney full of
> > furniture, to the day we turned on our AC to find it sounded like a
> > 400 pneumatic drills. Don't ask!
>
> > We got through it though and are having our Launch Night Party on
> > Friday 5th March and we open our doors on the Monday.
>
> > Goodbye Hibernation, Hello Collaboration!!
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> > Thanks
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Tony Bacigalupo | 1 Mar 2010 14:19
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Re: Coworking.com, not an org, instead a "license"

I'm intrigued by the idea that someone can opt-in to the core values of coworking, in a way that if they didn't embody those core values it wouldn't make sense for them to use the license.

So, for instance, say we had a Coworking Badge that anyone could download and use, and right on that image it says something like "We subscribe to the core values of Community, Openness, Collaboration, Accessibility, Sustainability," and it links back to coworking.com.

That way, it would be difficult for someone to co-opt the term without misrepresenting themselves. If an exec suite wants to do coworking and would like to offer something that legitimately embodies those above values, then wonderful.

Self-enforcement.

On Mar 1, 2010 2:46 AM, "Mike Schinkel" <mikeschinkel <at> newclarity.net> wrote:

Hi Alex,

I like essence of the idea, but I can't see directly how to apply it.

When I look at open source licenses (which is what I assume inspired you) they are licenses that people apply to their software and those licenses are free for anyone to use to apply to their software.  The OSI's role is to bless the licenses.

The best analogy to open source licenses I can see would be to have a member agreements that coworking facilities can use where the member agreements would be "approved" as coworking member agreements. And just like open source licenses there could be many different approved member agreements.  But to follow the open source lead all approved member agreements would need to be consistent with a single set of core bedrock principles. And it would be these principles which we would discuss and then agree upon.  After that any member agreements that wanted the "coworking" seal of approval would need to be submitted and reviewed before approving.

Now, that said, I'm not necessarily advocating the above nor do I even know if it would be possible for it to be workable.  But it is the analogy I see.

What I do see as a possible start, assuming you and others agree, could be to identify those principles when can be objectively evaluated/measured to which we all agree.  If approved member agreements follow from there, great. Or if something else follows from there, great too.  Of course what those principles are I'd prefer you to start...

-Mike




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ourspacefortwayne@gmail.com | 1 Mar 2010 16:08
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Re: Coworking & Economic Development

Thank you for the insight on economic development!  I, along with an
associate, have tried to develop relationships with several of our ED
professionals within Fort Wayne.   However, as you mentioned, many of
them would rather have the Comcast.  Interesting enough, GM built a
very nice plant about 30 years ago, and they are now developing a
third shift, thus will bring 700 employees to the area.  Great? But
the question should be "What happens When GM isn't around?"  In the
midwest, the collective wisdom is to go after a new factory, when the
old closes.  That being said, Fort Wayne does have a great number of
individuals who started companies out of their basements, and would
have been lime lights of coworking, if it existed back then.   Vera
Bradley, a purse manufacture, started out in the basement of two
women's home, and now they have 500 employees.  The advantage to
highlighting such as story, ED professionals realize that
entrepreneurs need support and creatives need to be in Fort Wayne; if
not they will build companies in other markets and invest
elsewhere.
      Recently, our social sphere has has been challenged , as
Fort Wayne has become home to 7,000+ Burmese refugees in the last 5 -
10 years.  One of the challenges of having a refugee population form
within in less than a decade is the lack of jobs.  Most of these
individuals do not speak English, do not drive, have lived in refugee
camps without basic needs met, so a traditional factory job, may not
be a good fit.  With that being said, most of the Burmese know how to
sew.  Thus, Fort Wayne's very creative individuals (clothing
designers, purse designers, etc.) can design fashion items, then team
up with Burmese and have them sew the items.   There are a few
individuals with in Fort Wayne, that have done this, and they have not
only been able to make a great product, but have moved the local
independent scene forward, while putting money into the hands that
need it!

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Tara Hunt | 1 Mar 2010 16:28
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Badges! We don't need no stinking...

Actually I love this idea!

typed choppily on my Nexus One....

On Mar 1, 2010 8:19 AM, "Tony Bacigalupo" <tonybacigalupo <at> gmail.com> wrote:

I'm intrigued by the idea that someone can opt-in to the core values of coworking, in a way that if they didn't embody those core values it wouldn't make sense for them to use the license.

So, for instance, say we had a Coworking Badge that anyone could download and use, and right on that image it says something like "We subscribe to the core values of Community, Openness, Collaboration, Accessibility, Sustainability," and it links back to coworking.com.

That way, it would be difficult for someone to co-opt the term without misrepresenting themselves. If an exec suite wants to do coworking and would like to offer something that legitimately embodies those above values, then wonderful.

Self-enforcement.


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> Hi Alex,
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>> I like essence of the idea, but I can't see directly how to apply it.
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>> When I l...


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