Derek Neighbors | 1 Oct 01:58 2008

Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)

Sent from wrong address. :)


Todd,


On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Todd Sundsted <junk <at> etcee.com> wrote:

There has been talk in the past about open source membership
management software, etc.  With coworking visas now in play, the
challenge of contacting an owner/manager when you're in town, finding
a space in the first place, finding/reserving a desk, managing
payment, etc. there's an opportunity for the right tool to simplify
the process of setting up and managing a space.  With New Work City in
the wings here in NYC, I'm being reminded of all of these issues
again.

So I'm gauging interest in this project.  There are enough hot shots
at work in coworking spaces, and enough great technologies out there
(OpenID, etc.) that we could build and sustain an open source project
like this.


We have some interesting concepts in this area.  We offer all our space for free so we haven't much focused on the business of collecting payment.  However, we very much are interested in allowing co-workers to identify themselves and the space(s) they regularly frequent.  We have another project for our hacknights ( http://hacknight.gangplankhq.com/ ) that we might refactor and tie into the wurkspaces directory.  Anyhoo... We are certainly open for ideas and willing to help.

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Derek Neighbors | 1 Oct 02:00 2008

Fwd: [Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)

Tara,

Yeah map needs to be landing page... The downside to just grabbing some of our existing code and running is it isn't what we ultimately want.  The upside is it is something to start conversation that works and is real and functioning.  Our original concept is actually something along the lines of wurkers, wurkspaces and wurkups.  Where a wurkspace is a co-working or wurker friendly facility.  A wurker is someone looking to collaborate with others and a wurkup is the intersection of wurkers and wurkspaces.  We have several other items on deck, but if there is expressed interest I can try to put this higher in the queue.

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Integrum Technologies


On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Tara Hunt <horsepigcow <at> gmail.com> wrote:
BTW...I also showed Darrell my mockups for Coworkination...which is, basically, a similar idea to wurkspaces (except map up front):


The code, what of it there is, is up on Google Code, too:


T


On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Todd (and all):

The idea of a open-source co-working software would be uber-great,
especially if built on an open-source CMS.

What's more, if we started with either Drupal or WordPress I could probably
contribute a significant amount of my time to it as I currently do implement
consulting for both of them with a focus on the more advanced features and
modules/plugins (vs. theming; bleh, I'm not a designer! ;-)

-Mike Schinkel
President; NewClarity LLC
Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs
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-----Original Message-----
From: coworking <at> googlegroups.com [mailto:coworking <at> googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Todd Sundsted
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:26 AM
To: Coworking
Subject: [Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working
Directory)


Derek: this is *great* piece of work!  (Said as someone who has spent
altogether too much time hunting for spaces in the past!)

All: Drew Jones and I have been discussing the topic of common coworking
software recently, and this post kindled that discussion again.

Off-the-shelf tools like wiki's, blogs, etc. are great time-savers and can
get an idea off the ground quickly.  However, their limits become apparent
at some point of growth.  You could probably find a way to tack disqus onto
the wiki to add conversations, etc. but I'm sure you all understand the
problem and the limitations of that ad hoc approach.

There has been talk in the past about open source membership management
software, etc.  With coworking visas now in play, the challenge of
contacting an owner/manager when you're in town, finding a space in the
first place, finding/reserving a desk, managing payment, etc. there's an
opportunity for the right tool to simplify the process of setting up and
managing a space.  With New Work City in the wings here in NYC, I'm being
reminded of all of these issues again.

So I'm gauging interest in this project.  There are enough hot shots at work
in coworking spaces, and enough great technologies out there (OpenID, etc.)
that we could build and sustain an open source project like this.

Todd

On Sep 26, 6:55 pm, "de... <at> integrumtech.com" <de... <at> integrumtech.com>
wrote:
> After a recent trip to Los Angeles and being frustrated trying to find
> a local co-working space.  I figured there must be a directory of
> facilities somewhere.  I could not find one.  I got to thinking that
> we had done a project recently for a directory of a different type of
> business.  I spent an hour or so retrofitting it to co-working and
> pushed it out.
>
> You can find it here:http://wurkspaces.com/
>
> If something else exists let me know.  You should be able to add your
> own space or a space you visit without logging in.  If you all hate it
> just let me know, if you like it and have additional functionality you
> would like to see just let me know.  I know that right now it only
> supports locations in the US.  I will look at changing that soon if
> people are interested in the project.  Again not looking to step on
> toes, just wanting feed back.  I was going to add a flag to denote
> those that support in the VISA program as well.
>
> Flame away. : )
>
> --
> Derek Neighbors
> Gangplankhttp://www.gangplankhq.com







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Jerome Chang | 1 Oct 02:06 2008

Who is Rosh Hashanah?

Hi all.

Just for fun, my filmmaker friend created this in the spirit of today's major Jewish holiday.


Jerome
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BLANKSPACES
"work wide open"

www.blankspaces.com
5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea)
Los Angeles, CA 90036
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Alex Linsker | 1 Oct 04:06 2008
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Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1


David, I like your idea of a legal library and an open source
agreement for coworking.

> * A license governing all of the documentation.  It can't contain
> legalese specific to on of the contributing organizations.
Maybe we can create an overall "operating system" coworking agreement
which can apply to all coworking groups, and we can also create
"plugins" -- paragraphs which can be inserted to the agreements of the
organizations to which they apply?  For example, we might create a one-
page "General Coworking Legal Agreement," and we might create plugin
paragraphs/clauses, for example:
  - if you have a few members who own the lease and sublease to other
members, or another paragraph if
  - you have all the members share the lease.

> * A way of collaborating on the CoWorking Legal Agreement
I'll ask Vanessa Scanlon if we can use MixedInk.com, which is in
beta.  MixedInk is an awesome way for groups to write agreements and
agree on what the final text will be.

> * A permanent repository for the CoWorking Legal Library

-Alex (of CooperBricolage/New Work City in NYC)
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On Sep 30, 12:53 pm, "David J. Kordsmeier" <dko... <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Great ideas.
>
> So there are several things here:
> * A CoWorking Legal Library
> * An Open Source CoWorking Legal Agreement (in various forms)
>
> Can we agree as a group, in principle on a few things:
> * A license governing all of the documentation.  It can't contain
> legalese specific to on of the contributing organizations.
> * A way of collaborating on the CoWorking Legal Agreement
> * A permanent repository for the CoWorking Legal Library
> ?
>
> Did I miss anything?  Eventually we would need to develop some FAQs
> and such for the Legal Library.
>
> -
> David
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Dusty <dustyrea... <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd also dig helping with an open source coworking member agreement.
> > We're currently not using one at Conjunctured! :o
>
> > We are however, working up a very thorough partnership agreement for
> > an LLC. Anyone need one of those? :)
>
> > Would be nice to have a open source coworking legal library.
>
> > Dusty
> >http://conjunctured.com
>
> > On Sep 29, 11:51 pm, "Mike Schinkel" <mikeschin... <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> >> An open source working agreement would be GREAT.
> >> I don't know how much I can contribute (legally), but would love to see one
> >> created and will provide ideas the best I can.
>
> >> -Mike Schinkel
> >> President; NewClarity LLChttp://mikeschinkel.com
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: coworking <at> googlegroups.com [mailto:coworking <at> googlegroups.com] On
>
> >> Behalf Of Alex Linsker
> >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:04 AM
> >> To: Coworking
> >> Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
>
> >> Hi Alex,
>
> >> I'd like to help create an open source working agreement.  Although I'm not
> >> a lawyer, I've worked for lawyers in relevant fields, and have written
> >> employment, partnership, client and outsourcing contracts which have been
> >> greenlighted by some of the best lawyers.  I'm great at writing really
> >> plain-language, simple, direct, easy-to-read contracts.
>
> >> What's the next step?
>
> >> -Alex
>
> >> Alex Linsker
> >> (646) 269-4915
> >> alexlins... <at> gmail.comwww.alexlinsker.com
> >> Organizational democracy: helping people work together in companies
>
> >> On Sep 26, 11:01 am, "Alex Hillman" <dangerouslyawes... <at> gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
> >> > Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I
> >> > found somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly
> >> > modded the TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> >> > It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement,
> >> > it's got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> >> > If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as
> >> > if anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work
> >> > together to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what
> >> > really needs to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
>
> >> > -Alex
>
> >> > --
> >> > -----
> >> > --
> >> > -----
> >> > Alex Hillman
> >> > im always developing something
> >> > digital: a... <at> weknowhtml.com
> >> > visual:www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> >> > local:www.indyhall.org
>
> >> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
> >> > <tonybacigal... <at> gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> > > Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or
> >> > > get rid of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection
> >> > > against defamation?
>
> >> > > Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations
> >> > > that membership won't start until after the space is open, and that
> >> > > the space will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is
> >> null and void.
>
> >> > > Anything else?
>
> >> > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:27 AM, patrick.tang... <at> gmail.com <
> >> > > patrick.tang... <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >> > statements or comments of a defamatory or disparaging nature to
> >> > >> > any third party regarding NEW
>
> >> > >> Yeah, we based our contract on IH too (thanks Alex!) but took out
> >> > >> "disparaging" after the first round of signings, "defamation" is
> >> > >> one thing but with "disparaging" in there it looks like we don't
> >> > >> want to be critiqued either.
>
> >> > >> Btw, if anyone opens up a space in Canada, our version has a couple
> >> > >> of local tweaks so feel free to ask for the file.
>
> >> > >> Patrick
> >> > >> station-c.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mike Schinkel | 1 Oct 11:15 2008
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Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)

That would be really, really helpful.

-Mike


From: coworking <at> googlegroups.com [mailto:coworking <at> googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hillman
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:15 PM
To: coworking <at> googlegroups.com
Cc: Amit Gupta
Subject: [Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)

We could get a similar testimonial as well! Great idea.
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Tara Hunt <horsepigcow <at> gmail.com> wrote:

I wonder if having a section for landlords of buildings that coworking
spaces are in would be helpful for new coworking spaces? I'm sure our
landlord would give a testimonial saying that we've been good tenants
and that it makes for a nice addition to his building.

Tara

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Darrell Silver
<darrell <at> darrellsilver.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, this directory is great!
>
> Amit & I are working on JellyDesk, and are currently talking to a lot
> of people & spaces about common issues and where we will add some
> tools with this project.  Yesterday Tony & I negotiated the New Work
> City space, and it was very interesting to hear hesitancy directly
> from the landlord, who basically demanded more accountability &
> predictability of NWC.
>
> Todd, are you coming to Jelly <at> my place on Friday? I just put up the
> wiki a minute ago.  I'd love to continue our conversations..
>
> http://wiki.workatjelly.com/JellyManhattan2008-10-03
>
> Darrell
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Todd Sundsted wrote:
>
>>
>> Derek: this is *great* piece of work!  (Said as someone who has spent
>> altogether too much time hunting for spaces in the past!)
>>
>> All: Drew Jones and I have been discussing the topic of common
>> coworking software recently, and this post kindled that discussion
>> again.
>>
>> Off-the-shelf tools like wiki's, blogs, etc. are great time-savers and
>> can get an idea off the ground quickly.  However, their limits become
>> apparent at some point of growth.  You could probably find a way to
>> tack disqus onto the wiki to add conversations, etc. but I'm sure you
>> all understand the problem and the limitations of that ad hoc
>> approach.
>>
>> There has been talk in the past about open source membership
>> management software, etc.  With coworking visas now in play, the
>> challenge of contacting an owner/manager when you're in town, finding
>> a space in the first place, finding/reserving a desk, managing
>> payment, etc. there's an opportunity for the right tool to simplify
>> the process of setting up and managing a space.  With New Work City in
>> the wings here in NYC, I'm being reminded of all of these issues
>> again.
>>
>> So I'm gauging interest in this project.  There are enough hot shots
>> at work in coworking spaces, and enough great technologies out there
>> (OpenID, etc.) that we could build and sustain an open source project
>> like this.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> On Sep 26, 6:55 pm, "de... <at> integrumtech.com" <de... <at> integrumtech.com>
>> wrote:
>>> After a recent trip to Los Angeles and being frustrated trying to
>>> find
>>> a local co-working space.  I figured there must be a directory of
>>> facilities somewhere.  I could not find one.  I got to thinking that
>>> we had done a project recently for a directory of a different type of
>>> business.  I spent an hour or so retrofitting it to co-working and
>>> pushed it out.
>>>
>>> You can find it here:http://wurkspaces.com/
>>>
>>> If something else exists let me know.  You should be able to add your
>>> own space or a space you visit without logging in.  If you all
>>> hate it
>>> just let me know, if you like it and have additional functionality
>>> you
>>> would like to see just let me know.  I know that right now it only
>>> supports locations in the US.  I will look at changing that soon if
>>> people are interested in the project.  Again not looking to step on
>>> toes, just wanting feed back.  I was going to add a flag to denote
>>> those that support in the VISA program as well.
>>>
>>> Flame away. : )
>>>
>>> --
>>> Derek Neighbors
>>> Gangplankhttp://www.gangplankhq.com
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
> >
>



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FeNudelman | 1 Oct 12:20 2008
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Re: Who is Rosh Hashanah?


Great! Very funny!

Shanah Tovah from Brazil. :)

Fernanda
www.ptodecontato.com.br

On Sep 30, 9:06 pm, Jerome Chang <jer... <at> blankspaces.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Just for fun, my filmmaker friend created this in the spirit of  
> today's major Jewish holiday.http://www.new.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=588008064965&oid=150067...
>
> Jerome
> ______________
> BLANKSPACES
> "work wide open"
>
> www.blankspaces.com
> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea)
> Los Angeles, CA 90036
> 323.330.9505 (office)
Alex Hillman | 1 Oct 15:41 2008
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Re: Who is Rosh Hashanah?

*snort* that's great. Finally something I can forward to my mom instead of
the other way around ;)

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Jerome Chang <jerome <at> blankspaces.com>wrote:

> Hi all.
> Just for fun, my filmmaker friend created this in the spirit of today's
> major Jewish holiday.
> http://www.new.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=588008064965&oid=15006768998
>
>
> Jerome
> ______________
> BLANKSPACES
> "work wide open"
>
> www.blankspaces.com
> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea)
> Los Angeles, CA 90036
> 323.330.9505 (office)
>
>
> >
>

Suzi Edwards | 1 Oct 15:33 2008
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group88 on Fox 61


Heya coworking crew . . .

Yesterday I was on the local fluffy Fox 61 news program to dish about
coworking. It was so much fun! I didn't really get out everything I
wanted to say but, hey, the segment didn't turn out too bad. Check it
out at:

http://www.fox61.com/pages/morning_news

The clip is "Dealing with Coworkers" -- what a crappy freakin' title
that is!!! But, hey, whatever!
Tony Bacigalupo | 1 Oct 16:13 2008
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Re: group88 on Fox 61

Great interview, Suzi!!

I'm adding this to the Media page now, which I realize we haven't been keeping up with (http://wiki.coworking.info/MediaCoverage)

I was all ready to say that this interview was actually tight and clean and without any wacky media moments, and then at the last minute... "Coming up next, move over Bridezilla!" HA.

Tony Bacigalupo
New Work City


On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Suzi Edwards <suzice <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Heya coworking crew . . .

Yesterday I was on the local fluffy Fox 61 news program to dish about
coworking. It was so much fun! I didn't really get out everything I
wanted to say but, hey, the segment didn't turn out too bad. Check it
out at:

http://www.fox61.com/pages/morning_news

The clip is "Dealing with Coworkers" -- what a crappy freakin' title
that is!!! But, hey, whatever!



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Todd Sundsted | 1 Oct 16:31 2008

Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)


Great thread, everyone!

I've talked to many of you independently, so I'm going to briefly
brain dump here.

After a very intimate year in this space, and after many conversations
with both coworkers, independents, entrepreneurs, as well as people in
corporate HR and real estate, there's definitely a new ecology of work/
workspace developing here.  This probably isn't news to most of you.

This ecology is currently composed largely of independents,
independent entrepreneurs, and a small handful of corporate
outworkers; it is also composed of a growing cadre of coworking spaces
and local Jelly groups.  People and places.  To be fair, the ecology
also includes coffee shops and executive suites, and the people that
work there, even though these differ ideologically.  But there are
several missing pieces.

In areas like New York City, but elsewhere as well, there's a real
estate component that can't be avoided.  Many current spaces started
because "we got a good deal" on space somewhere, or because a forward
thinking small business owner was willing to let others utilize unused
office space.  I realize I'm generalizing here, but please bear with
me.  This model isn't scalable.  I'm not even sure it's desirable
because living in borrowed space isn't sustainable over the long term,
and I'm not sure coworking owner/operators are really prepared to be
in the landlord business, which is what they are in the minute they
start charging money for space and services.

To the point of this thread, the necessary technology infrastructure
is missing, as well.  This hasn't been a problem, because we are all
early adopters, and can get buy on our wits and our network of friends
in coworking.  However, at some point this movement is going to take
off.  Office space is the #2 cost in most businesses (after people,
which are #1).  I can guarantee that every Fortune 1000 company in the
United States is looking for ways to reduce cost #2 (and #1) given our
immediate economic situation.  So, take off may be sooner than we
think.

My feeling is that it's time to compare notes, to look at the
infrastructure, and to make sure that it evolves in a way that
benefits and serves the community.  Forget about the tags "coworking",
"Jelly", etc. for a moment, and consider the near future in which work
and workplace is increasingly defined as a network of intentional
local spaces, and as communities of working peers with something in
common beyond the accidental fact they work for the same company.
Good technology will make it easier to open/operate spaces like those
we've come to love.

Thanks,
Todd

On Sep 30, 6:58 pm, "Derek Neighbors" <de... <at> integrumtech.com> wrote:
> Sent from wrong address. :)
>
> Todd,
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Todd Sundsted <j... <at> etcee.com> wrote:
>
> >> There has been talk in the past about open source membership
> >> management software, etc.  With coworking visas now in play, the
> >> challenge of contacting an owner/manager when you're in town, finding
> >> a space in the first place, finding/reserving a desk, managing
> >> payment, etc. there's an opportunity for the right tool to simplify
> >> the process of setting up and managing a space.  With New Work City in
> >> the wings here in NYC, I'm being reminded of all of these issues
> >> again.
>
> >> So I'm gauging interest in this project.  There are enough hot shots
> >> at work in coworking spaces, and enough great technologies out there
> >> (OpenID, etc.) that we could build and sustain an open source project
> >> like this.
>
> > We have some interesting concepts in this area.  We offer all our space for
> > free so we haven't much focused on the business of collecting payment.
> > However, we very much are interested in allowing co-workers to identify
> > themselves and the space(s) they regularly frequent.  We have another
> > project for our hacknights (http://hacknight.gangplankhq.com/) that we
> > might refactor and tie into the wurkspaces directory.  Anyhoo... We are
> > certainly open for ideas and willing to help.
>
> > --
> > Derek Neighbors
> > Integrum Technologies

Gmane