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racinesansbout | 2 Jun 2002 00:47
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Re: need help

You know, in Haitian Vodou there are no such things as "voodoo 
dolls".  Dolls, or poppets, are much more characteristic of European 
folk magic, and this influence has entered the New Orleans Voodoo 
tradition.

It's unlikely that an untrained person could do much with such a 
doll, and if you feel that you are likely to be victimized by someone 
who knows how to manipulate a doll to do magical work, there are 
things you can do to cleanse and protect yourself.

Contact me privately if you are seriously interested.

Peace and love,

Bon Mambo Racine Sans Bout Sa Te La Daginen

"Se bon ki ra" - Good is rare
     Haitian Proverb

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gdbarma | 5 Jun 2002 14:59
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Hi everyone

I've been studing astrology, wicca & higher magick for many years 
now, & i think it's high time to found out what voodoo is all about. 
So if you can help me with ony basis princilpes i would reaaly 
appreciate it. Plus, i more than willing to share my knowledge on 
the above crafts...
Maria

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dreamer u wish u knew | 5 Jun 2002 20:40
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Re: Hi everyone

first of all remember i am not a hougan and therefore
cannot teach, but i will share what i have learned.

    i'll just give you a quick run down as i have come
to understand it.  it is a RELIGON that uses
archtypical forces in order to understand Bondye, the
absoloute god who is the sum of all things and is
incomprehensible to us at this level.  in adition to
the archtypical forces or lwa  voodoo incorperates
ancestor worship<which is neglected by most
americans>.  it is not about curses and zombis, though
such things exist in the religon it is ussualy the
result of people who work with the left hand, called
bokor<or sorcerers,  who use the lwa for there own
purposes rather than serving them>.  for several
reasons voodoo is very secretive and difficult to
learn,  as the teachings are considered secret.  what
some people have learned is only a fraction of what
exists.<every where you go you will find
contradictions, but don't let that stop you, just keep
searching and you will find truth your self.  and keep
in mind there are many "denominations" with contrary
views>
   one of the most important subjects on the religion
is that of possesion.  it is called being ridden,  and
it is the temorary union between a practioner and a
lwa<often surpressing the persons ego completely>. 
this is not veiwed as hostile or invasive but is seen
as a christian would so the holy ghost.
  i hope i have been of some help if you would like to
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gdbarma | 5 Jun 2002 20:57
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Re: Hi everyone

First of all your response is deeply apriciated... After my post i 
try to read as many postings as i was able to. What i understound 
was that voodoo has the same principals with wicca. For example you 
do not agree with love spells for the same reasons. & also there is 
a god in everything. & some people are loosing their faith because 
their spells do not seem to work. I hope you do not find my 
comparison offending. I personally respect every theory or religion 
that can help people progress. In the rituals do you use crystals or 
an altar? & finally is this a religion that can be combined with my 
knowledge so far?
Thank you again for your help 
Maria
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dreamer u wish u knew | 5 Jun 2002 22:13
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Re: Hi everyone

  i personnaly beleive that all religons can be
combined and all knowledge carries on. in fact voodoo
was influnced by white pagans, as the appearance of
manam bridgett is considered proof<she is beleived to
be an import from the pagan pantheon,  though i can't
rember what she used to be called>. alters are a
crucail aspect of the religon,  they help us to form
relationships with the lwa.  
        spells are a touchy subject for me.  i do
them...but to many people fail to understand them, and
that is why they fail.  it is not a rigid format of
incantations, or magic gestures.  it is a symbolic
plea to the lwa using sacred number, objects, songs
and colors to coax their cooperation.  and as
everyones personal relationship with a particular lwa
is stronger then the mass produced ritual they should
be created by yourself for the lwa.  that way you
think more of the lwa and they will apriciate that. 
the one plus one equals too apraoch for spell is more
hoodoo<beter understood as spells> then voodoo<better
understood as prayers>.  
--- gdbarma <gdbarma <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
> First of all your response is deeply apriciated...
> After my post i 
> try to read as many postings as i was able to. What
> i understound 
> was that voodoo has the same principals with wicca.
> For example you 
> do not agree with love spells for the same reasons.
> & also there is
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racine125 | 6 Jun 2002 15:36
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The Ancestors and the Ancestral Lwa - Learning and Serving

It's wonderful to see so many people on the Vodou Arts forum 
( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vodou_Arts) developing an interest in the 
ancestral lwa!  I want to encourage this.  :-)  So, I am posting to other 
forums, hoping that you will come visit us at Vodou Arts but also that each 
forum will have discussion of these lwa which is appropriate to the focus of 
the individual forum.

Let's first do a little reading - go to The VODOU Page and read these pages:

Vodou Lesson 2 - The Ancestors
http://members.aol.com/racine125/vleson2.html

Vodou Lesson 4, Part 2 - Making an Ancestral Feast
http://members.aol.com/racine125/vleson4.html#part2

Fet Gede Spiritual Procession 
http://mamboracine.tripod.com/gede2000.html

Biography of a Lwa
http://members.aol.com/racine125/lwabio.html

The ancestral lwa are organized like a biological family.  Maman Brigitte is 
the mother, Baron La Croix is the father.  Together they reclaim the souls of 
deceased humans from "under the water", and rebirth them as Gede lwa.  That 
is why almost every Gede has the last name "La Croix", like their father.

There is one Gede lwa who is not a particular ancestor, and that is Brav Gede 
Nibo.  Maybe there is another Gede like that somewhere, but I haven't heard 
of him.  Almost all Gedes are male, but I have heard of a lwa called 
"Gedelia", a female Gede.  I don't know where she is served, I have never met
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bigtony73 | 8 Jun 2002 01:03
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New to Voodoo and need help

hey how are you all, well i have always had an interest in voodoo and 
would like to study it as a religion....but i do not know anyone in 
my area who has that expertise. I live in Hyattsville MD thats right 
out side of washington dc.....can any of you help me? if so email me 
so that i can learn more and maybe get in contact with someone in my 
area.
thanks
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bigtony73 | 8 Jun 2002 06:47
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Baron Somdi

Can someone tell me more about this GOD and what does he do for the  
people who call on him and his bride?

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racine125 | 8 Jun 2002 12:39
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Service to the Ancestors - Getting to Know Your Ancestors

Okay, check this out - your ancestors LOVE you!  And all ancestors, because 
they were once living humans, have love for the whole of humanity.

If you have ancestors who you knew in life, who have now passed on, then you 
can feed them and give them service.  Even if you only know about them 
through stories or photos, you can feed them.  If none of the family you know 
has yet died, congratulations!  Ask your older folks about their 
grandparents, and so on.  If you are adopted, then you are really in luck 
because you have twice as many immediate ancestors, the ancestors of your 
adopted family and the ancestors of your biological family, and they all love 
you.

If you have an ancestor who was a real stinker, a meanie, you still feed him 
or her, and give service.  Then you give that ancestor work to do protecting 
you, fighting for you, you set them to guard the door of your house, you send 
them to help out at that very competitive job interview.

So, here is the next thing I am recommending for people who plan to 
participate in the upcoming ancestral service.  Choose an ancestor, if you 
can, and find out what that person liked to eat.  If you really don't know 
anything about any of your ancestors, adopt one from the cemetery, especially 
an older cemetery where that person is no longer taken care of by living 
relatives.  Find out what they wore, where they lived, what kind of a house 
they lived in, what work they did, what they did for fun.  Find out 
everything about them that you possibly can.  Then, find that kind of food, 
find paper dolls maybe, with that kind of clothing, or make an image.  Find a 
photo of them if you can.  Buy toy objects that resemble the things they 
liked to use in their life, things that represent the way they lived.  Create 
a collection that represents your understanding of the nature of that 
person's life.
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racine125 | 8 Jun 2002 14:18
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New Web Page - Lave Tet in New Orleans

Hi everyone!  At http://mamboracine.tripod.com/nola_lavetet02.html , you can 
find a report on the May 2002 New Orleans lave tet service, written by a 
participant.  I have added photos of the ceremonies, and graphics.  Enjoy!

Peace and love,

Bon Mambo Racine Sans Bout Sa Te La Daginen

"Se bon ki ra" - Good is rare
     Haitian Proverb

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